American Bond Girls.

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  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited June 2012 Posts: 2,629
    Jill St John: C-. She was good until Bond smacked her. Then she became an annoying puppy.

    Lana Wood: C: There were only two things about her that stood out.

    Gloria Hendry: F: Just plain awful.

    Barabara Bach: D: Very overated. The flattest delivery of any lines by an American Bond girl.

    Lois Chiles: D+: Oh come on, she wasn't that bad.

    Lynn-Holly Johnson: C-: I'll give her an out because she was miscast as a horny teenage girl.

    Tanya Roberts: D-: At least she was a lot easier on the eyes than she was on the ears. (oh good, Grace Jones was born in Jamaica).

    Carey Lowell: B+: Definitely the best of a disappointing lot of American women.

    Talia Soto: B-: Yep, LTK was the only film where American women didn't shame American Bond fans.

    Priscilla Barnes: C+: Better known for Three's Company, but effective in a tough role.

    Teri Hatcher: D: I just never liked her. Plus, she wasn't exactly the best person to work with on the set.

    Denise Richards: D-: Worst miscasting of any Bond character.

    Halle Berry: F: I'd type up a summary of my dislikes of her appearance in the Bond franchise, but I have to be back at work in 13 hours.

    Madonna: F: See Halle Berry


    The American women have nothing on the Brits, French, Italians, and quite a few other countries.
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    Priscilla Barnes wasn't really a Bond girl so to speak, she was merely Leiter's new wife and for me, appeared in a Bond film and nothing more, I could never classify her as a 'Bond girl' i.e. St John, Blackman, Andress etc

    I forgot to include Johnson too, I mean she was kind of cute for the time, if nothing else, but then again, not really a 'Bond girl' so to speak, that would be Bouquet for that years release

  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
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    They both had enough screen time where I felt they deserved some recognition.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited June 2012 Posts: 12,480
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    I guess when Babs and Mikey resorted to the nadir of casting with the final three Brosnan films, did it occur to them to give these subpar actresses a screen test or see if they had chemistry with their star?

    I rate Roberts low but I do find her a thrill to look at.

    Terri Hatcher was hot on Clark and Lois but she looks tired, bored and used up in TND. anyone else agrees?
    I should change Chiles' grade from a D to a big fat "F". At least Roberts, Berry and Richards were good to look at but Chiles is just a stick in the mud.

    Well, I do think she was pregnant at the time.

    As for Barbara Bach, I did not know she was American; I like her a lot! I love TSWLM and I thought she was great.

    Lowell - really great I just hated her super, slicked back short hair style.

  • edited June 2012 Posts: 3,494
    @ 4Ever- I believe you are correct about Teri being pregnant during the filming of TND, which would explain why she might have been a little difficult. Hormones are flying in every direction and I can attest to that watching my wife being pregnant with our children.

    I thought Barbara was a real beauty but not a good actress, I've seen other things she was in and nothing I saw convinced me otherwise. Carey on the other hand runs circles around most of these girls, she was great as Pam but that haircut was indeed beyond awful. She looked much better before that.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    edited June 2012 Posts: 3,262
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    I wanted to stick to the leading lady Bond girls not the supporting cast, thus why I left the ones you mentioned from my grading list. :)

    That's OK but shouldn't Teri not make that list since she was technically the 2nd leading lady in TND? (Not that I mind, I prefer her to Wai Lin myself.)
    Getafix wrote:
    I don't dislike Teri Hatcher per se, but I do think she was miscast in TND.

    Do you think Teri would've been better in a role like Tiffany Case or like Christmas Jones?
    Getafix wrote:
    I believe there had been talk of casting Monica Belluci in that role, which would have been great to see and would have cemented TND as Brozza's finest hour.

    Even with Monica Belluci(Mary Magdalene from "The Passion of the Christ") in the role of Paris instead, we still would've had the problem of sacrificing her at the midway mark for Wai Lin.
    echo wrote:
    Hatcher at least brought a maturity and world-weariness that was a good complement to Brosnan's Bond.

    I agree. I rather liked the novelty gimmick of Remington Steele meeting Lois Lane myself.
    Getafix wrote:
    I always thought Denise was rather good looking. But an awful actress and Bond girl.

    Denise was just born 28 years too late. She would've made a perfect Plenty O'Toole had Lana Wood been unavailable.
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    Kerim wrote:
    Jill St John: C-. She was good until Bond smacked her. Then she became an annoying puppy.

    Lana Wood: C: There were only two things about her that stood out.

    Gloria Hendry: F: Just plain awful.

    Barabara Bach: D: Very overated. The flattest delivery of any lines by an American Bond girl.

    Lois Chiles: D+: Oh come on, she wasn't that bad.

    Lynn-Holly Johnson: C-: I'll give her an out because she was miscast as a horny teenage girl.

    Tanya Roberts: D-: At least she was a lot easier on the eyes than she was on the ears. (oh good, Grace Jones was born in Jamaica).

    Carey Lowell: B+: Definitely the best of a disappointing lot of American women.

    Talia Soto: B-: Yep, LTK was the only film where American women didn't shame American Bond fans.
    Priscilla Barnes: C+: Better known for Three's Company, but effective in a tough role.

    Teri Hatcher: D: I just never liked her. Plus, she wasn't exactly the best person to work with on the set.

    Denise Richards: D-: Worst miscasting of any Bond character.

    Halle Berry: F: I'd type up a summary of my dislikes of her appearance in the Bond franchise, but I have to be back at work in 13 hours.

    Madonna: F: See Halle Berry


    The American women have nothing on the Brits, French, Italians, and quite a few other countries.

    The sad irony then that it was precisely in American where LTK tanked the most. Where's the justice?
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    @ 4Ever- I believe you are correct about Teri being pregnant during the filming of TND, which would explain why she might have been a little difficult. Hormones are flying in every direction and I can attest to that watching my wife being pregnant with our children.

    I like Hatcher in TND, as I stated above, but she has a reputation for being extremely difficult.

    http://www.celebuzz.com/2012-05-08/desperate-housewives-feud-put-in-spotlight-co-stars-gave-crew-thank-you-present-terri-hatcher-excluded-exclusive/
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    @PrinceKamalKhan
    You right, Terri should not have been on the list as she was just "supporting" lady. Wei being the main Bond girl. But I submit that since Brosnan films always have two ladies maybe we can still include her...what say you?

    Maybe Terri would have been better a year later in the role of Christmas Jones. At least I find it easier to accept her as a nuclear physicist instead of "adolescent boy wet dream" Richards. And if not pregnant maybe she would have been not so difficult on the set.

    @ all you guys bashing Carey's short haircut. I actually liked her with the haircut. she looked so much better than earlier in the film.
  • OHMSS69 wrote:

    @ all you guys bashing Carey's short haircut. I actually liked her with the haircut. she looked so much better than earlier in the film.

    I agree - her first hairstyle made her look like a suburban mom who shops for her clothes at Sears. The second one made her look far more classy and elegant.

    Interestingly, I was just talking to a co-worker the other day about women's hair. She had been talking to a younger guy who refused to believe that there are times when short haircuts are in style for women and are considered sexier than long ones. He just wouldn't believe her even though she had lived through those periods herself! Ah, to be young and think that you know better than people who have direct experience of something that you don't..!

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited June 2012 Posts: 12,480
    OHMSS69 wrote:

    @ all you guys bashing Carey's short haircut. I actually liked her with the haircut. she looked so much better than earlier in the film.

    I agree - her first hairstyle made her look like a suburban mom who shops for her clothes at Sears. The second one made her look far more classy and elegant.

    Interestingly, I was just talking to a co-worker the other day about women's hair. She had been talking to a younger guy who refused to believe that there are times when short haircuts are in style for women and are considered sexier than long ones. He just wouldn't believe her even though she had lived through those periods herself! Ah, to be young and think that you know better than people who have direct experience of something that you don't..!
    Not to turn this into another hair thread, but just to say some short styles are fine; I just really hated that one on her. Mainly it was the slicked back part that looked wrong and it bugged me. Not classy, classic or elegant to me; just stupid. If they wanted a cut to show her change, they could have done way better. But that is just my opinion. And aside from that, she was a great Bond girl.
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    I never liked Lowell's new haircut, yes it was supposed to look professional and it was, but I much prefered the longer variation seen in the Bimini Bar fight, rough and ready, a plausible CIA army pilot having undertaken missions in South America - to a prim and pretty, not a hair out of place, secretary, before returning to the former sometime on the later stages of the movie such as the Kenworth tanker truck chase etc

    Also, and I've said it before when Dalton turned up at the Casino De Isthmus and his hair looks like he's just arrived walking in out of a Monsoon, It was a bad day for hair in that release, it just looked damn silly above all else

  • edited June 2012 Posts: 1,713
    Maybe that's why Hatcher and MacGyver broke up , he was tired of the drama ;)
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited June 2012 Posts: 6,390
    Also, and I've said it before when Dalton turned up at the Casino De Isthmus and his hair looks like he's just arrived walking in out of a Monsoon, It was a bad day for hair in that release, it just looked damn silly above all else

    LOL. Hopefully the hairdresser didn't make it to GE.

  • Also, and I've said it before when Dalton turned up at the Casino De Isthmus and his hair looks like he's just arrived walking in out of a Monsoon, It was a bad day for hair in that release, it just looked damn silly above all else

    Again, that style - a man's hair brushed straight back - was considered very cool and stylish at the time, especially if you had a bit of a widow's peak like Dalton did. You'll see a few Hollywood stars with the same thing around that time. I myself had that style for a while and I remember running into a very attractive girl from my high school at the bank one day - she raved about how much better I looked because I had gotten rid of that "square" looking haircut (parted on the side)!

    Of course any style, whether it be clothes or hair, will look alternately cool or square at different points in time. The stereotypical "60s look" with greased, immaculate hair and slim cut suits with narrow ties are all the rage now (thanks, Mad Men!). Yet when I was younger school mates cited that as proof that Connery was "a loser" compared to Moore - I mean, look how ridiculous he looked with those stupid clothes and hair!
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,390
    I thought Dalton was having a bad hair day when I first saw that scene in 1989, and I still think that now.
  • I just remembered a story I read a long time ago and I hope some of the more learned members here can verify whether it's true or not.

    It's hard to believe now, but in the mid- to late-90s the internet was still quite new to the mainstream public, and to the older generations (such as the people who ran studios) it was mystifying. While using the internet to help promote brand loyalty seems obvious now, in the past a lot of people weren't sure how to do it.

    So what I read in the late 90s was that both Hatcher and Richards were cast - or forced/pushed upon EON by their studio partners - because they were at the top of the internet search rankings at the time. As ludicrous as it sounds now, remember that a bikini model named Cindy Margolis was able to leverage being "the most downloaded woman on the internet" (allegedly) into having a talk show and becoming a celebrity (a precursor to today's "celebs" who are "famous for being famous"). So the story doesn't sound at all far-fetched - especially when a lot of studio execs blamed Batman and Robin's failure more on the constant barrage of negativity on the internet during filming rather than on the quality of the film.

    Anyone else remember reading something similar at the time? Anyone able to debunk/confirm this? It definitely seems possible since marketing considerations seemed to trump artistic considerations a lot more in the 90s.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,390
    @thelordflasheart, yes, I remember this vividly. I think Eon was in a bit of flux in the '90s. LTK had underperformed in the US but not in the rest of the world, so they were (I think) looking to win the elusive young male American audience back. That led them to Hatcher and Richards.

    Artistically, though, I felt that Brosnan's Bond (more than any of the other Bonds) played better when paired with more mature and worldly women. I'm not sure why.
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    echo wrote:
    @thelordflasheart, yes, I remember this vividly. I think Eon was in a bit of flux in the '90s. LTK had underperformed in the US but not in the rest of the world, so they were (I think) looking to win the elusive young male American audience back. That led them to Hatcher and Richards.

    On first viewing TWINE and realising that Ms Richards really wasn't working (like a lot of that film) I remember thinking what a strange choice? I has to be the studios doesn't it? Cubby Broccoli would not have allowed that.

    I can only surmise that she was a studio decision. Babs and Mickey still not quite proved themselves and not yet having the clout to say no to castings at that point. They would have but not yet.

  • echo wrote:
    Also, and I've said it before when Dalton turned up at the Casino De Isthmus and his hair looks like he's just arrived walking in out of a Monsoon, It was a bad day for hair in that release, it just looked damn silly above all else

    LOL. Hopefully the hairdresser didn't make it to GE.

    I didn't much care for Izzy's haircut there either, but still miles ahead of what they did to poor Carey. Unfortunately someone bad also did the haircuts for QOS, poor Stana anyway. Looked like someone put a bowl on her head and cut off the hair sticking out.

    Someone here once said that Dalton's hair slicked back into a "widows peak" made him look closer to Dracula than Bond. I can see why.

  • Jill St John: F Couldn't stand her in any scene. One of the worst Bond girls ever in my book.

    Lana Wood: D: Other then her beauty, she just doesn't seem like a Bond girl. To me, she was more of a groupy.

    Gloria Hendry: D+ Too whiny.

    Barabara Bach: B+: I thought she was very good, and pulled off playing the Russian Spy very well.
    Lois Chiles:B : Unlike Denise Richards, I could believe she was a Doctor. Also I think she lived up to her name at the end of the film.

    Lynn-Holly Johnson: C: One of those not good, not bad ones for me.
    Tanya Roberts: F:JAMES! Sums it up doesn't it?

    Carey Lowell: A+: Best American Bond girl, and fdefintely in the top five.

    Talia Soto: B+: Was a bit wooden at times, but that smile.......
    Priscilla Barnes: C+: Better known for Three's Company, but effective in a tough role.

    Teri Hatcher: D:She was awful, but her role didn't help her out either.
    Denise Richards: F: She is more suited to be the hot mom in Agent Cody Banks then a Bond girl.

    Halle Berry: F: Part of this is a personal thing, because I think she is overrated in general. However, this film kind of backs up my point.

    Madonna: Z: Possibly the most disgraceful part of the series.
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
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    Jill St John: F Couldn't stand her in any scene. One of the worst Bond girls ever in my book.

    Lana Wood: D: Other then her beauty, she just doesn't seem like a Bond girl. To me, she was more of a groupy.

    Gloria Hendry: D+ Too whiny.

    Barabara Bach: B+: I thought she was very good, and pulled off playing the Russian Spy very well.
    Lois Chiles:B : Unlike Denise Richards, I could believe she was a Doctor. Also I think she lived up to her name at the end of the film.

    Lynn-Holly Johnson: C: One of those not good, not bad ones for me.
    Tanya Roberts: F:JAMES! Sums it up doesn't it?

    Carey Lowell: A+: Best American Bond girl, and fdefintely in the top five.

    Talia Soto: B+: Was a bit wooden at times, but that smile.......
    Priscilla Barnes: C+: Better known for Three's Company, but effective in a tough role.

    Teri Hatcher: D:She was awful, but her role didn't help her out either.
    Denise Richards: F: She is more suited to be the hot mom in Agent Cody Banks then a Bond girl.

    Halle Berry: F: Part of this is a personal thing, because I think she is overrated in general. However, this film kind of backs up my point.

    Madonna: Z: Possibly the most disgraceful part of the series.

    Where have I heard that before?

    I think you might be ranking Madonna a little too high.
  • Haha sory mate, I copied and pasted yours for the actresses and I ust have missed one.
  • Probably because I was just done reviewing Talisa Soto ;))
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    I really didn't know Soto was american until a few years ago, originally from New Jersey I remember reading, I just assumed for years she was maybe central american, Honduras, Guatemala, that kind of thing, it was a minor surprise

    She was nice to look at but became a bit irritating after a while, should of got a razzie for the awful -'If anything happens to James, I'll don't know what I'll do - I love him so much' etc, (you've only known him for an hour or two ffs)

    I also forgot about Ms Ciccone, she was only in the series for about 30 seconds in my defense, apart from that awful piece of excrement title song, it was an ill advised cameo

    Hatcher was another that failed to ignite, I know she was expecting at the time, but above all else she (her character) just looked and appeared churlish rather than gorgeous

    Lana Wood also did nothing for me, except get on the damn nerves, it was a relief when she was found drowned in Case's outdoor pool, even though an actual near disaster was averted when filming the scene..
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
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    Haha sory mate, I copied and pasted yours for the actresses and I ust have missed one.

    I consider it an honor.
  • edited June 2012 Posts: 1,713
    Hatchers 2 reaons for doing TND :

    1. $$$
    2. Her hubbie wanted it

    (I believe Soto has Italian blood too.....I read that somewhere)
  • edited June 2013 Posts: 2,782
    CHAMES!” She screams, terrified.
    “CHAMES!” She screams, overjoyed.
    “CHAMES!” She screams, confused.

    Guess which Bond girl's acting talents these are? Think about it and you will get it easy.
  • Posts: 1,631
    Carey Lowell is definitely the best of the lot of American Bond girls. She's actually my favorite Bond girl out of all of them, narrowly beating out Claudine Auger and Ursula Andress, but she's easily head and shoulders above the rest of the Americans.
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    Most American Bond girls were indeed disappointing. Some because of miscast, some because of bad writing, some because of both. My favourite is actually Talisa Soto, mainly because I found her character of Lupe Lamore to be beautifully Flemingesque.
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