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Quite. In the kangaroo court of Twitter's tedious weekly racism witch hunt it seems its merely how much goodwill you have in the bank that determines guilt rather than anything even approaching empirical evidence.
Clarkson - a loud mouthed prick: Guilty
Rog - A well loved national treasure: Not guilty.
Farage - anti immigration, little Englander: Guilty
Cumberbatch - Well we all love Sherlock don't we?: Not guilty
The point is that you get the benefit of the doubt when you're a generally nice person who generally only says nice things about other people. When you have a long history of going out of your way to offend people you don't get the benefit of the doubt. I'm mystified that anyone would think there's something wrong with that.
You are nitpicking in this argument, if you do not know the difference between Roger Moore and Jeremy Clarkson any argument is rather wasted.
If you want an argument about taking comments out of their story the comparison is still chosen badly as Clarkson has managed his whole career to be controversial in his statements so in that sense he was high profile & successful enough to be targeted by certain media that are owned by folks that would gladly pay for his services would he enter their services. But mostly Clarkson is a dick that is admittedly funny even if his opinions would fall under not Politically correct which always was a relieve in this day and age.
Roger Moore's track record is well known and describing racism towards him is basically admitting that that you are some what biased in being a dick yourself.
I myself prefer my 007 English and of the Caucasian persuasion not because of racist thinking but it is the originals character description. I have no problem with a 007 like character that is coloured but James Bond he is not.
Yes. Yes, I'm sure of it, and yes of course they would. Me neither. And me too (though sadly that rarely happens).
I know... There was just a piece on CNN about Bond backtracking, blah blah. I didn't bother to un-mute my tv, just rolled my eyes at the tv set.
Yeah. I knew immediately Mr Penn would get shit for saying that. It's always someone famous being made a villain all the bloody time, and I'm sick of the whole thing. No doubt it'll be someone else in a few days, but also, once someone gets labelled something nasty, some of it tends to stick, and it can even get worse over time when people forget what actually happened (if they knew in the first place), and what remains for some is just "oh, he's a racist, isn't he..."
Calling people racists over anything is one of the popular things nowadays. Both famous and non-famous people. Somewhat relevant to this particular case: late last year a certain casting choice caused a lot of talk along those lines as well (I don't know if that talk is still going on). A black actor was cast in a role of a fictional character who is white (I wouldn't know, I don't even remember the character's name now), and people who didn't like the casting choice were called racists. Some people argued that they just wanted the source material to be respected, and others argued that heck, never mind about that, they just didn't like the actor in question. But according to some they were all obviously racists, why else would you have an opinion like that. I find it all totally ridiculous.
One wonders about that. I can only assume there are plenty of people who like to feel morally superior and are confident that they have all the correct information needed to pass judgement.
Oh yes. Context is everything. Without understanding - or even having - context how the hell can one really evaluate things and make sense of them. Of course, some people think context doesn't matter, which makes them pretty stupid.
Indeed.
I'm mystified that apparently the key determiner of guilt these days is apparently how nice a bloke you are.
Clarkson probably not the best example I grant you as he courts it on purpose but last week Farage made some comment about getting rid of current racism laws because UKIP were colour blind. He meant it as a good thing - that UKIP didn't differentiate - but naturally the headline was 'Farage is a Nazi'.
And the amount of people I have seen on here quoting Roger's laudable charitable work with children as some kind of cast iron defence as if it automatically exonerates him. This is utterly irrelevant in a court of law I'm afraid.
Just in case some people are too stupid to comprehend, I'm not saying I think Roger is a racist, of course he's not (there - you see even I am guilty of letting his niceness cloud my judgement rather than relying on any facts), I'm pointing out that we walk a very dangerous path when we start ignoring the basic principles of law and just let mob rule decide if someone is guilty or not based on what a nice bloke they are or how much money they raise for charity. If we go by those criteria I'm pretty sure there was another well loved knight of the realm who raised millions for charity who now lies in an unmarked grave to stop the rabid public from stringing his corpse up. Not everyone who works for charity is Mother Teresa I'm afraid.
I'm afraid unless you issue a full apology forthwith @SaintMark over your use of that term I'll be forced to report you to the police:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/dec/22/alan-hansen-black-footballers-coloured
That's the beauty of living in a country ruled by McCarthyism - I don't need to have taken any offence myself; I just need to presume that someone else might have and that's enough for the police to take it seriously. I did tell them what a nice bloke you are generally though so I'm sure you'll get off, although you might want to do a fun run for MENCAP in the mean time to bolster your defence.
By English English I presume Roger Moore meant Idris Elba's heritage is African and thereby, by default, he nor any other British black actor cannot play James Bond - a character of northern hemisphere, Anglo Saxon heritage.
Ian Fleming would never countenance a black actor playing James Bond. Fleming was a snob and somewhat racist. James Bond was a reflection of Fleming's imagination so James Bond was never meant to be anything other than a white man defending the (white) British Empire. This reason alone is good enough to leave James Bond white. Idris Elba may think that's unfair but life is like that, unfair!
Ian Fleming also wrote his novels in the 1950s, and was very much a product of his time. To say the character of Bond was written by a racist and so things should stay like is simply anachronistic.
So if I were BB and asked if a black actor would be cast after Craig leaves, I would say 'Good question. Do you think a black actor should have been cast as Napoleon Solo in the new UNCLE film? I do. Should a black actor be cast as Indiana Jones next time? I do. Where do you think the problem lies, and is it really up to Eon to put right this gross injustice to black actors?'
I don't suppose she will say that though.
That's the point - he didn't even mention Elba. It was completely taken out of context and inferred from his English-English comment that he would not support Elba as Bond. This apparently, is his direct quote:
“A few years ago, I said that Cuba Gooding Jnr would make an excellent Bond, but it was a joke!” He reportedly continued, “Although James may have been played by a Scot, a Welshman and an Irishman, I think he should be ‘English-English’. Nevertheless, it’s an interesting idea, but unrealistic.”
The inference is a stretch, because he could have been suggesting that an American (Gooding) should ideally not play Bond.
http://m.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a640541/live-and-let-die-star-yaphet-kotto-james-bond-cannot-be-black.html#~p9nHydC0l63yRn
While I'm not averse in principle, it's quite refreshing to hear, and also aligns with several of our black members here, I believe. I've always found it slightly disingenuous when the press project Black people as all feeling exactly the same way on so called 'race' issues, implying that they can't endorse anything 'white'.
I think the term is 'uncle tom'.
'North Sea Hijack', 'Shout at the Devil', 'Man who Haunted Himself', 'Escape to Athena', 'Sea Wolves', 'Wild Geese' and 'Gold'.
I think it's safe to say I am in for loads of pure epic fun with Sir Rog! :-c
I've only seen North Sea Hijack and some bits of Wild Geese, so I am very excited to watch them all!
I have sen them all, Shout at the Devil is a brilliant movie, the man who ... shows that Roger Moore is a formidable actor.
great stuff.
Now there's some great watching there! Always loved the premise of The Man Who Haunted Himself and simply haven't watched Escape to Athena enough do you've hot me heading for Amazon and ebay...
https://www.yahoo.com/health/the-best-and-worst-booze-to-drink-if-you-want-to-115781830510.html
James Bond.