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The TIMOTHY DALTON Appreciation thread - Discuss His Life, His Career, His Bond Films

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  • GetafixGetafix
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    This is a really badly written TLD review from 1987 in the Washington Post, but I thought it was amusing how this article says Dalton's Bond is the 'best ever'. Echoes of the praise for DC now. Most people would laugh at this now.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/movies/videos/thelivingdaylightspgkempley_a09f96.htm

    But when the dust settles, it's always Sean that remains on top...
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Getafix wrote:
    This is a really badly written TLD review from 1987 in the Washington Post, but I thought it was amusing how this article says Dalton's Bond is the 'best ever'. Echoes of the praise for DC now. Most people would laugh at this now.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/movies/videos/thelivingdaylightspgkempley_a09f96.htm

    But when the dust settles, it's always Sean that remains on top...

    Not necessarily, in this very thread, I have posted articles wherein the writer has put forward their opinions why Dalton is the best. Not second best, but THE best Bond.

    But for some, Connery being the first Bond, is all the reason needed to rank him #1.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited April 2014 Posts: 11,425
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    This is a really badly written TLD review from 1987 in the Washington Post, but I thought it was amusing how this article says Dalton's Bond is the 'best ever'. Echoes of the praise for DC now. Most people would laugh at this now.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/movies/videos/thelivingdaylightspgkempley_a09f96.htm

    But when the dust settles, it's always Sean that remains on top...

    Not necessarily, in this very thread, I have posted articles wherein the writer has put forward their opinions why Dalton is the best. Not second best, but THE best Bond.

    But for some, Connery being the first Bond, is all the reason needed to rank him #1.

    I know. But the majority view I think is still that Connery was best. I think Dalton would be amused by any one saying he was the best Bond ever.

    I am a long time Dalton fan, so more than happy to see him praised though.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    I saw an advert yesterday for Penny Dreadful on Sky Atlantic.


    Yeah i caught this too! Looks great! :-bd
  • CraterGunsCraterGuns
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    Showtime has posted the entire first episode of PENNY DREADFUL, uncensored, on YouTube:



    A very promising debut... Dalton is terrific in easily his meatiest role in years.

  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    AHHHH!!!! 666 comments!!! 667 here to fix that L-)
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    Found this rather novel perspective of Dalton's detailed interpretation of the role...

    http://www.hmss.com/films/memory/

  • jobojobo
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    Thank you for posting that, @AceHole! Great read!
  • GetafixGetafix
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    The Evening Standard gave Penny Dreadful a 4* review this evening.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    AceHole wrote:
    Found this rather novel perspective of Dalton's detailed interpretation of the role...

    http://www.hmss.com/films/memory/

    Dammit, Dalton was good.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Getafix wrote:
    AceHole wrote:
    Found this rather novel perspective of Dalton's detailed interpretation of the role...

    http://www.hmss.com/films/memory/

    Dammit, Dalton was good.

    In some folks perspective he was brilliant, for the masses in the US he was BO poison.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited May 2014 Posts: 11,425
    SaintMark wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    AceHole wrote:
    Found this rather novel perspective of Dalton's detailed interpretation of the role...

    http://www.hmss.com/films/memory/

    Dammit, Dalton was good.

    In some folks perspective he was brilliant, for the masses in the US he was BO poison.

    I always thought TLD did reasonable business in the US?

    LTK was clearly a bit of a flop stateside, but there were perhaps mitigating circumstances. Attrociously handled marketing being the prime example.
  • jobojobo
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    SaintMark wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    AceHole wrote:
    Found this rather novel perspective of Dalton's detailed interpretation of the role...

    http://www.hmss.com/films/memory/

    Dammit, Dalton was good.

    In some folks perspective he was brilliant, for the masses in the US he was BO poison.

    So was OHMSS. Does that make it a bad film?
  • GetafixGetafix
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    I don't know if SaintMark is implying it was a bad film, or just highlighting the financial realities underlying the Dalton era.

    I do suspect though that Dalton's alleged unpopularity in the states is sometimes a little overdone. TLD did fine in the US. LTK's title change and bad marketing contributed to it being a flop there. However, Moore's first two films were not financially runaway successes. TMWTGG was, I think, a pretty poor performer at the box office. However, Roger's third was a resounding success. Who would bet against GE with Dalton not having been a success in the US...?
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    jobo wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    AceHole wrote:
    Found this rather novel perspective of Dalton's detailed interpretation of the role...

    http://www.hmss.com/films/memory/

    Dammit, Dalton was good.

    In some folks perspective he was brilliant, for the masses in the US he was BO poison.

    So was OHMSS. Does that make it a bad film?

    I never said that Dalton was a bad actor, but not all actors can manage the greatness offered by the 007 part. Lazenby couldn't either......

    OHMSS is close to a brilliant as the franchise gets. But like Dalton it followed a brilliant performer loved by the masses, and rightly so imo. And even great movies suffer then as the 007 series has shown.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Getafix wrote:
    I don't know if SaintMark is implying it was a bad film, or just highlighting the financial realities underlying the Dalton era.

    I do suspect though that Dalton's alleged unpopularity in the states is sometimes a little overdone. TLD did fine in the US. LTK's title change and bad marketing contributed to it being a flop there. However, Moore's first two films were not financially runaway successes. TMWTGG was, I think, a pretty poor performer at the box office. However, Roger's third was a resounding success. Who would bet against GE with Dalton not having been a success in the US...?


    I do, as LTK's complete BO was less than Batmans opening weekend. So LTK really performed badly in the US, which was at that time an important market.

    Had Dalton returned the franchise after 6 years I doubt many people would have gone and watched it.

    EON and its financial backers decided wisely to go for an easy and popular choice, and reboot the show with a female M and an easier to accept actor to play 007.

    It says nothing about Daltons performance but his take and persona were perhaps not the best choice after the popular Roger Moore. ANd the world was a far easier place to live pre 9/11.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
    edited May 2014 Posts: 1,731
    SaintMark wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    AceHole wrote:
    Found this rather novel perspective of Dalton's detailed interpretation of the role...

    http://www.hmss.com/films/memory/

    Dammit, Dalton was good.

    In some folks perspective he was brilliant, for the masses in the US he was BO poison.


    I risk offending our Stateside cousins, but big budget films obviously get dumbed down due to them needing to 'appeal to the U.S masses' ... Dalton's casting was great for the 007 character, but less so for Bond's general mass appeal.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited May 2014 Posts: 11,425
    Fortunately this has changed a lot in recent years though. Popularity in the US is nowhere near as important as it used to be. On the down side, films need to appeal to not just the US masses, but the global masses, which some argue means that films have to be even more generic and dumped down than ever. I'm not entirely sure about this though, and think the standard of a lot of big popular films is actually quite high.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Getafix wrote:
    Fortunately this has changed a lot in recent years though. Popularity in the US is nowhere near as important as it used to be. On the down side, films need to appeal to not just the US masses, but the global masses, which some argue means that films have to be even more generic and dumped down than ever. I'm not entirely sure about this though, and think the standard of a lot of big popular films is actually quite high.

    I agree that movies nowadays needs to appeal to a larger audience and thus cultural differences. Dalton would work today far better than in the olden days, as the BO of the rest world are often better than the US and they seek out the markets outside of the US.

    The Avengers & Cap America 2 were released in the rest of the world and by the time the US joined the BO the movies were way ahead in profits, And those movies were actually quite smartly written and Winter Soldier was quite edgy in it message. And political recognizable around the world.
    The Bondmovies always get a earlier release in Europe than the US and performs quite well in recent times.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    It's interesting I think that movies no longer need to be quite so overtly pro-American. There is a more of a undercurrent of mild criticism and edge in a lot of popcorn movies. Not a revolution in film making but still noticeable I think. The reduced reliance on the US BO must have played a part in that.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Penny Dreadful has been renewed for a second series.

    http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/s238/penny-dreadful/news/a575506/penny-dreadful-renewed-for-second-season.html

    =D>
  • barryt007barryt007
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    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    Penny Dreadful has been renewed for a second series.

    http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/s238/penny-dreadful/news/a575506/penny-dreadful-renewed-for-second-season.html

    =D>

    That's good news indeed !

  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    Fine by me provided that it does not interfere with the new film.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Mrcoggins wrote:
    Fine by me provided that it does not interfere with the new film.

    How would it do that ?

  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited June 2014 Posts: 13,978
    Is it me, or was it said by Mendes that the cast have signed up for potentially 5 series? I could have sworn that I read that somewhere. :-?
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    Season two will go into production in October by which time Mr Mendes should be working on the Next Bond .
  • GetafixGetafix
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    barryt007 wrote:
    Mrcoggins wrote:
    Fine by me provided that it does not interfere with the new film.

    How would it do that ?

    It's written by Logan and produced by Mendes...
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Aah gotcha.
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
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    This is terrific news. Tim Dalton is a great actor and I'm glad this show has been hit, I hope this means we see more Dalton in the future.

    The only worrying thing is that John Logan is writing ALL 10 episodes of season 2 which will start shooting the same time as Bond 24. I think Logan's time is seriously limited, on top of that he is writing a Broadway musical. I hope he is giving enough attention to Bond 24, if not I do hope Mendes brings on another writer soon (if he hasn't already) to polish Logan's draft. Maybe Paul Haggis could return? I attribute the success of CR to his contribution. Or possibly Abi Morgan?
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    Penny Dreadful has been renewed for a second series.

    http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/s238/penny-dreadful/news/a575506/penny-dreadful-renewed-for-second-season.html

    =D>

    I haven't even seen the first season?!!! ;))
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