The TIMOTHY DALTON Appreciation thread - Discuss His Life, His Career, His Bond Films

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    No idea why they Photoshop those covers so much to where it's blatant.
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    No idea why they Photoshop those covers so much to where it's blatant.

    It's just weird. TLD isn't that bad, even though there has been some work done.

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    However, Dalton isn't the only one who's been heavily photoshopped. Connery's films didn't look too obvious, although they were a bit photoshopped, as well. Here are the worst examples:
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    (Put them in a spoiler tag, as these examples hasn't got anything to do with Timothy D.)
  • edited March 2018 Posts: 2,918
    A quick search of other Bond titles, reveals some really generic covers. Could have made more an effort, there!

    Sadly, this applies to most Bond DVD/Blu-Ray covers from the past decade and a half.
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    Revelator wrote: »
    A quick search of other Bond titles, reveals some really generic covers. Could have made more an effort, there!

    Sadly, this applies to most Bond DVD/Blu-Ray covers from the past decade and a half.

    True, but these look worse than all the covers I've seen. Maybe Youtube have a reason for covers with a white bottom half?
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    Dalton for Bond 25
  • edited April 2018 Posts: 3,333
    I don't know whether anyone came across The Week article on Dalton where he discussed turning down GoldenEye? He goes on to say: “When [the next movie] did come about, it was probably four or five years later. Broccoli asked if I would come back, and I said, ‘Well, I've actually changed my mind a little bit. I think that I'd love to do one. Try and take the best of the two that I have done, and consolidate them into a third."
    Dalton continued: “And he [Broccoli] said, quite rightly, ‘Look, Tim. You can't do one. There's no way, after a five-year gap between movies that you can come back and just do one. You'd have to plan on four or five.’

    “And I thought, ‘Oh, no, that would be the rest of my life. Too much. Too long.’ So I respectfully declined.”

    The result? Brosnan was cast in a film that is now considered by some to be the franchise’s very best.

    Hopefully that clears up some of the opinions that have been floating around on various threads, here, that Dalton was pushed and had no choice in the decision to quit.

    theweek.com/articles/447045/timothy-dalton-opens-about-penny-dreadful-leaving-james-bond-demon-all
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    I always thought he was given the option to fall on his sword. He wasn't wanted in some quarters (even though Cubby supported him).

    I don't know to be fair. I hope he quit of his own accord, rather than being forced out.
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    NicNac wrote: »
    I always thought he was given the option to fall on his sword. He wasn't wanted in some quarters (even though Cubby supported him).

    I don't know to be fair. I hope he quit of his own accord, rather than being forced out.

    From what i know about Cubby, he always got his way! When LTK received it's lukewarm reception by some a newspaper (prob The Sun!!) Wrote An article saying Dalton had been fired Cubby immediately wrote a letter to them refuting it! It makes sense that they would have wanted him for several films and Dalton prob only wanted to do one as per his original contract. The to.ing of the court thing was just all wrong for him!
    Dalton remained great friends with Cubby and his family after leaving (He was pallbearer at Cubbys funeral!) so it's unlikely he was forced out!
  • edited April 2018 Posts: 628
    bondsum wrote: »
    Hopefully that clears up some of the opinions that have been floating around on various threads, here, that Dalton was pushed and had no choice in the decision to quit.

    While it's true that Broccoli/EON wanted him to stay, that option was never going to be on the table because of John Calley and Jeff Kleeman (at MGM/UA), both of whom wanted to go in a new direction with a new actor. In the last issue of MI6 Confidential (#44), there was an interview with Kleeman that got into the Dalton/GE casting situation.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    NicNac wrote: »
    I always thought he was given the option to fall on his sword. He wasn't wanted in some quarters (even though Cubby supported him).

    I don't know to be fair. I hope he quit of his own accord, rather than being forced out.

    From what i know about Cubby, he always got his way! When LTK received it's lukewarm reception by some a newspaper (prob The Sun!!) Wrote An article saying Dalton had been fired Cubby immediately wrote a letter to them refuting it! It makes sense that they would have wanted him for several films and Dalton prob only wanted to do one as per his original contract. The to.ing of the court thing was just all wrong for him!
    Dalton remained great friends with Cubby and his family after leaving (He was pallbearer at Cubbys funeral!) so it's unlikely he was forced out!

    From what I understand, there was pressure but not from Cubby. As mentioned by @Escalus5, John Calley/Jeff Kleemen weren't going to greenlight another Bond film with Dalton.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    Someone kindly sent me a link to the 1988 movie Hawks on YouTube and it was a complete delight. If nothing else, watch the first ten minutes to enjoy The Lovely Geoffrey Palmer at his most Geoffrey Palmerish, and Dalton offering to lick jam off Julie T. Wallace.

    (I probably shouldn't link to piratey content but 'hawks full movie' will turn it up.)
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    Agent_99 wrote: »
    Someone kindly sent me a link to the 1988 movie Hawks on YouTube and it was a complete delight. If nothing else, watch the first ten minutes to enjoy The Lovely Geoffrey Palmer at his most Geoffrey Palmerish, and Dalton offering to lick jam off Julie T. Wallace.

    (I probably shouldn't link to piratey content but 'hawks full movie' will turn it up.)

    I saw that at the cinema,its a nice little film.

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    bondsum wrote: »
    I don't know whether anyone came across The Week article on Dalton where he discussed turning down GoldenEye? He goes on to say: “When [the next movie] did come about, it was probably four or five years later. Broccoli asked if I would come back, and I said, ‘Well, I've actually changed my mind a little bit. I think that I'd love to do one. Try and take the best of the two that I have done, and consolidate them into a third."
    Dalton continued: “And he [Broccoli] said, quite rightly, ‘Look, Tim. You can't do one. There's no way, after a five-year gap between movies that you can come back and just do one. You'd have to plan on four or five.’

    “And I thought, ‘Oh, no, that would be the rest of my life. Too much. Too long.’ So I respectfully declined.”

    The result? Brosnan was cast in a film that is now considered by some to be the franchise’s very best.

    Hopefully that clears up some of the opinions that have been floating around on various threads, here, that Dalton was pushed and had no choice in the decision to quit.

    theweek.com/articles/447045/timothy-dalton-opens-about-penny-dreadful-leaving-james-bond-demon-all

    GE “the franchise’s very best”?!

    Pull the other one.
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    Agent_99 wrote: »
    Someone kindly sent me a link to the 1988 movie Hawks on YouTube and it was a complete delight. If nothing else, watch the first ten minutes to enjoy The Lovely Geoffrey Palmer at his most Geoffrey Palmerish, and Dalton offering to lick jam off Julie T. Wallace.

    (I probably shouldn't link to piratey content but 'hawks full movie' will turn it up.)

    My favorite Dalton film outside Bond. Wonderful chemistry between Tim and Edwards. In addition to some hilarious scenes, there are genuinely moving performances throughout.
    A beautiful film and wonderful music score.
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    Getafix wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    I don't know whether anyone came across The Week article on Dalton where he discussed turning down GoldenEye? He goes on to say: “When [the next movie] did come about, it was probably four or five years later. Broccoli asked if I would come back, and I said, ‘Well, I've actually changed my mind a little bit. I think that I'd love to do one. Try and take the best of the two that I have done, and consolidate them into a third."
    Dalton continued: “And he [Broccoli] said, quite rightly, ‘Look, Tim. You can't do one. There's no way, after a five-year gap between movies that you can come back and just do one. You'd have to plan on four or five.’

    “And I thought, ‘Oh, no, that would be the rest of my life. Too much. Too long.’ So I respectfully declined.”

    The result? Brosnan was cast in a film that is now considered by some to be the franchise’s very best.

    Hopefully that clears up some of the opinions that have been floating around on various threads, here, that Dalton was pushed and had no choice in the decision to quit.

    theweek.com/articles/447045/timothy-dalton-opens-about-penny-dreadful-leaving-james-bond-demon-all

    GE “the franchise’s very best”?!

    Pull the other one.

    Agreed x it’s good but it aint THAT good.
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Pull the other one.
    Personally, I don't think it is the very best, but some still do view it that way. My own preference was always Dalton, though I do wish he'd gotten his hair cut shorter in his Bond movies. That was always my one big niggle.
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    ggl007 wrote: »

    Lol my reaction as well.
  • edited April 2018 Posts: 628
    Here's what Kleeman said in MI6 #44:

    Cubby, Barbara and Michael Wilson initially said, "Yeah we're excited about making another Bond movie, Timothy is ready to go, let's do it." That was a difficult moment for everybody because EON really believed in Timothy and loved Timothy, and I understand why. He is a great actor, but he wasn't the version of Bond that John [Calley] and I had in mind. We all had to talk it through and come to that consensus .... Cubby put his hand around the walking stick and we all quieted and turned to him. He said, "All right, we'll go with a new Bond."

    So what puzzles me is when this occurred in relation to Dalton and Cubby Broccoli's conversation (from the Week interview linked above). My guess is Broccoli changed his mind about the 3-4 film agreement he required of Dalton and planned to invite him back for only one more (GOLDENEYE). Then MGM/UA balked.
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    bondsum wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Pull the other one.
    Personally, I don't think it is the very best, but some still do view it that way. My own preference was always Dalton, though I do wish he'd gotten his hair cut shorter in his Bond movies. That was always my one big niggle.

    It was the 80s.

    look at brozzas hair in GE. it's even more OTT
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    Dalton was the definitive incarnation of Fleming’s Bond.
    Aficionados of the books were delighted when he took the role and he delivered in spades.
    Unfortunately the scripts didn’t.
    Although they improved they just couldn’t resist the silliness altogether which was a great shame because Timothy had the character nailed. He walked, talked and looked like Fleming’s Bond.
    The dream ticket would have been Dalton in a faithful adaptation of 'Moonraker' or 'Casino Royale'.
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    No doubt no one came closer to Flemings Bond then he, but that was exactly his problem, because Flemings bond is a rather boring fellow which is the reason why Maibaum thankfully felt compelled to spice him up considerably for Dr. No. The cringeworthy unevenness of his two movies and his extreme lack of charisma just did the rest.
  • edited April 2018 Posts: 16,169
    Getafix wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Pull the other one.
    Personally, I don't think it is the very best, but some still do view it that way. My own preference was always Dalton, though I do wish he'd gotten his hair cut shorter in his Bond movies. That was always my one big niggle.

    It was the 80s.

    look at brozzas hair in GE. it's even more OTT

    True. Pierce's GE hair is essentially his later Remington Steele cut with more product.

    Tim's haircuts in his Bond movies were very common in the '80's. Most guys had hair long enough to cover the tops of their ears and the back just touching the collar. Even when Cubby took James Brolin to the barber shop for his Bond haircut, that's what he walked away with.
    I suppose that element is what keep Tim from truly being the Bond of the novels for me. I'm pretty sure Fleming's Bond hair would have been cut about like Hoagy Carmichael's.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Tim's haircut in TLD did have many callbacks to the Bond novels, though.

    kOcW7lc.jpg

    This shot particularly has that Carmicheal-esque vibes to it with an 80s spin. It screams literary Bond here to me, at least.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I don't mind Dalton's hair in TLD. It's his LTK mess that I can't stand.

    What struck me about the MI6 article is the following:

    "We had the script [for this third film]. They were interviewing directors. We were really rolling forward, ready to start. It was actually quite a good story, I thought," says Dalton. "Because of the lawsuit, I was free of the contract, and [producer] Mr. Broccoli, who I really respected as a producer and as a friend, asked me what I was going to do when it was resolved. I said, 'Look, in all honesty, I don't think that I will continue.' He asked me for my support during that time, which of course, I gave him."

    I can't tell you how much I wish that the current state of affairs is something similar.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    The dream ticket would have been Dalton in a faithful adaptation of 'Moonraker' or 'Casino Royale'.

    Oh, mate. This has always been my all-time top fantasy Bond film. I was pleased when we eventually got a serious CR but I still wish Dalton could have had a crack at it.
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    No doubt no one came closer to Flemings Bond then he, but that was exactly his problem, because Flemings bond is a rather boring fellow

    Fleming's Bond had moments of melancholy, fear, moral ambiguity, and rage that made him a far more interesting and human character than the shallow, pun-mad superman that movie Bond far too often was. Thankfully the first few (and best) Bond films closely followed the Fleming books and just added in bits of humor to make the violence and more outrageous bits of action go down more easily.
    The cringeworthy unevenness of his two movies and his extreme lack of charisma just did the rest.

    Yet Dalton's films were vastly less uneven by Moore's, nor was his charisma any less than Moore or Lazenby's. The real problem was that anyone playing Bond in the late 80s would have faced box office that had been steadily declining after Moonraker, competition from new action franchises, and a public that wasn't ready for a grittier interpretation of Bond. So EON's corporate overlords course-corrected by hiring a Bond who combined Connery and Moore and encouraging films that more closely aped the look and feel of the competition.
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    Tim's haircut in TLD did have many callbacks to the Bond novels, though.

    kOcW7lc.jpg

    This shot particularly has that Carmicheal-esque vibes to it with an 80s spin. It screams literary Bond here to me, at least.

    ClarkDevlin is not wrong.
    Given that the Dalton movies were not period pieces, he was styled as a man with Bond’s sensibilities would have done at that point in history.
    Smart but louche and slightly disheveled. That would have been the hallmark of Bond transposed to any era.
    Connery captured it to an extent. Sir Roger was on safari. Brosnan looked like he’d just stepped off a Zegna fashion shoot and Craig looks like a muscle bound Russian thug. It was Dalton that nailed the look big time.

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    Tim's haircut in TLD did have many callbacks to the Bond novels, though.

    kOcW7lc.jpg

    This shot particularly has that Carmicheal-esque vibes to it with an 80s spin. It screams literary Bond here to me, at least.

    ClarkDevlin is not wrong.
    Given that the Dalton movies were not period pieces, he was styled as a man with Bond’s sensibilities would have done at that point in history.
    Smart but louche and slightly disheveled. That would have been the hallmark of Bond transposed to any era.
    Connery captured it to an extent. Sir Roger was on safari. Brosnan looked like he’d just stepped off a Zegna fashion shoot and Craig looks like a muscle bound Russian thug. It was Dalton that nailed the look big time.

    This.

    I'll never forget the first clip I saw of Dalton in TLD. It was the scene on the tram where he follows Kara and it just screamed Bond, the man I imagined from the novels or as close as he'd ever been in my mind.

    Other clips that followed confirmed it more, making me more fired up to see TLD than most Bond films at the time and it didn't let me down.
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    Revelator wrote: »
    No doubt no one came closer to Flemings Bond then he, but that was exactly his problem, because Flemings bond is a rather boring fellow

    Fleming's Bond had moments of melancholy, fear, moral ambiguity, and rage that made him a far more interesting and human character than the shallow, pun-mad superman that movie Bond far too often was. Thankfully the first few (and best) Bond films closely followed the Fleming books and just added in bits of humor to make the violence and more outrageous bits of action go down more easily.
    The cringeworthy unevenness of his two movies and his extreme lack of charisma just did the rest.

    Yet Dalton's films were vastly less uneven by Moore's, nor was his charisma any less than Moore or Lazenby's. The real problem was that anyone playing Bond in the late 80s would have faced box office that had been steadily declining after Moonraker, competition from new action franchises, and a public that wasn't ready for a grittier interpretation of Bond. So EON's corporate overlords course-corrected by hiring a Bond who combined Connery and Moore and encouraging films that more closely aped the look and feel of the competition.

    I didn’t use the term spice up and Doctor No accidentally. By adding the way how bond ruthlessly uses Taro ( pun intended) and snuffs Dent go along way to make bond an interesting and professionally appearing secret agent. The humor was of course needed at least just as much, since in all of Flemings novels together there’s hardly enough to fill five pages.

    About the part with Dalton having Carisma just as much as Moore I really beg to differ.
    Moore’s eyebrow from AVTAK, located in the next room has way more Carisma then everything that Dalton displays in all of his career put together. And that’s not only when compared to Roger Moore. He simply hasn’t got it. I sell it still remember when he starred in the sequel to gone with the wind. He as Rhett Butler was like a black hole compared to Clark Gable, almost embarrassing.
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