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The Taro scene was cliched even back in 1962 (it's film noir lite), and the Dent scene doesn't add much to Bond's character beyond suggesting a level of sadism that wasn't in the original or in the succeeding movies, which shows what a dead-end the scene was. Making a character more inhuman doesn't make him more interesting.
Starting with DAF you can find plenty of wisecracks and humor in the Bond novels. You just won't find many dumb puns.
A mechanical acting habit (or as Anthony Lane once put it, Moore's "trick eyebrows") doesn't have anything to do with charisma. Compare the scene of Dalton finding Leiter's mutilated body with any of Moore's dramatic scenes and you will see why Dalton was such a breath of fresh air.
Not Dalton's finest hour (though a gutsy move), but then we wouldn't judge Moore's talent by his performance in Bullseye!, would we?
The Taro scene cliched even back in 1962? I don’t think so. Perhaps you could point out similar scenes in other movies made before (or even after)? The dent scene by the way just serves to make him tougher. At least a 100%.After all Flemings bond was not really a cold hearted professional. He was much much closer to Richard Hannay of 39 steps fame then to the professional and cunning spies of the 60s and 70s.
About Dalton having charisma - the girl I went with in TLD considered him excellent looking from the pictures and movies snippets she had seen. When we left the cinema she said ‘this guy is boring beyond belief’. And coincidentally this mirrors the opinions of every other woman I ever heard judging him. Mind you when they announced him, when I saw pictures of him, when I heard he was a trained stage actor and they wanted to make bond tough and believable again I was all for it. I still happen to think he looks just like the Bond from the novels (apart from the scar that is). I will never forget how disappointing the experience was.
Hardboiled hero turning the tables on a temptress has been a noir trope since The Maltese Falcon.
Fleming's Bond earned his professional status through the two assassinations and was a definite company man next to Hannay. Fleming's Bond also survived a much more rigorous obstacle course than the movie version (he even fought a giant squid--beat that Sean!), so the toughness award still goes to book Bond.
I'm afraid it would take more than an anecdote to swing the balance, especially since in my circle of friends and family Dalton was highly regarded. And unless you've canvassed the opinions of thousands or millions of women on Timothy Dalton, I'm not sure why the opinions of other women you've asked rise above anecdotal status.
About Dalton’s charismatic ways ... I really wonder why he never made any real career if he is such a magnet.
He was successful enough to make a comfortable living, and he seems very happy.
I'm sure he would be disappointed to learn that he didn't live up to your high standards, though. LOL.
Hi there! I am a woman and that is not my opinion.
Yeah, making Bond occasionally act like a sleazy prick really enriched the character, leading to such immortal scenes as forcing his affections on Pussy Galore and blackmailing therapists into sex. Poor Fleming never knew what he was missing!
That is both pissy and inaccurate, given that we're discussing an actor who's appeared in The Lion in Winter, Wuthering Heights, Flash Gordon, Antony and Cleopatra, The Rocketeer, Hot Fuzz, Toy Story 3, and Penny Dreadful. If he never became a superstar leading man outside of Bond, neither did any other Bond actor besides Connery. You are coming dangerously close to trollery.
I guess it’s fair to say that someone who played in Trainwreck movies like flash Gordon was keen on a major movie career. Still it didn’t happen. And I’m not arguing the quality of movies like the lion in winter.
A trainwreck that became a cult classic, for what it's worth. Dalton's had a fine movie career as a character actor. Faulting him for not having a bigger leading one ignores that none of the other Bonds aside from Connery became superstars outside the series (as I previously noted). It also assumes that super-stardom automatically implies charisma and great talent, and that is not wise: Brad Pitt is nowhere as charismatic as someone like Clark Gable was, and there are plenty of more talented actors than him who never achieved leading man status.
This has PussyNoMore scratching his well coiffured head.
What a bizarre and unnecessary thing to say.
Timothy Dalton is a fine Shakespearean actor who has had and still enjoys a great career on and off the stage. More importantly, he is also a hell of a nice guy.
His Bond is well appreciated by many. Particularly by those who love Fleming’s novels.
The Pussy was never a fan of Sir Roger as Bond. He was completely miscast. That wasn’t his fault and he was a magnificent Saint. He too was a hell of a nice guy.
Surely we can have these conversations without personalising them beyond their Bond involvement?
He was terribly miscast as Rhett, as was Scarlett. The non sucess or disaster it was spoke for itsself. No, hf is not a man, women get into. Sorry. Its just not there
I didn't know you are a Bond fan @Germanlady. I figured you were here for the duration of Craig's casting.
And he is not a man that you "get into". Other women are/were attracted to his classically handsome looks. Looking at most of the Bond actors, I would go out on a limb and say they were handsome in their respective younger days.
Some women would like Dalton to get into them.
(This post brought to you by slightly too much gin.)
Gin all around! ;)
Hashish or red wine also has that effect.
Why's the rum gone?