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Come on, guys! TND isn't all THAT bad.
Tomorrow Never Dies discussion. Positive and Negative comments are appreciated.
TND is my favorite film in the series. I do not really know why, it just is. Probably the mix of gadgets and a good Bond along with a nice story. TMWTGG is a close second.
TND is my favorite film in the series. I do not really know why, it just is. Probably the mix of gadgets and a good Bond along with a nice story. TMWTGG is a close second.
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In the spirit of the thread, however, I will concede
KD Langs 'Surrender' and the Dr Kaufman scene are two of the highlights of the Brosnan era. They work well.
The second half of the film is pretty much non-stop action (albeit some of it is entertaing) and the plot takes a back seat.
Reading up on it certainly gives an insight into how troubled the production was (last minute re-writes, the scenes with Paris cut, arguments with Spottiswode).
Apparently even its star knew the film "wasn't up to speed".
Bond with a machine-gun is a bad choice? You'll probably end up disappointed by SF then.
Bond used a machine gun sparingly ie OHMSS, Spy. The last ten minutes of TND he was tearing around like Rambo while Wai Lin was pretending the be Jackie Chan.
He always used his Walther PPK, fists or wits to get out of trouble. Not an Uzi...
Ill agree that they did go into overkill with the machine guns there but in fairness Bond does use his wits not long before - twice.
1. When he stabs the guard and uses his body to distract Stamper outside the ship.
2. When he triggers the grenade booby trap he set up (grenade in jar).
Can't say I would agree with that, however would interested in why you think that? for me Goldeneye has a much more plausable story with more believable characters.
There's wonderful moments, though, in practically every Bond film and TND has its fair share. But a top, top 007 flick it is not...
In any event, this 1997 second of Brosnan's tenure as James Bond 007 is, as stated so many times before, a genuine disappointment. I usually switch off when Bond leaves for South East Asia, as there's hardly nothing much worth watching after this point. Johnathan Pryce, an actor of caliber, is, as with Christopher Walken 12 years before him, wasted here as the main focus of the James Bond nemesis, apart from a few snide remarks and borderline impressive quips, the character really isn't nasty enough or doesn't even present much of a challenge, it was a wasted opportunity to do something I do feel in retrospect. Add to that, Teri Hatcher was not needed at all, one of the most instantly forgettable characters of the entire series, The Kaufmann character provided some unintentional humor but could of been utilized more efficiently, and the Gotz Otto character of Stamper is clearly yet another tired incarnation of the original Donald Grant villain of 1963, duplicated so many times after, and here was no exception
The best parts (yet again) for me was the opening pre credits sequence at the Russian Arms fair and the Sheryl Crow theme tune, and one or two bits and pieces when Bond was in Hamburg, but for the most part, this release in one of the most instantly forgettable 007 films in recent memory. They did redeem themselves, and Brosnan with it, the next time around for The World Is Not Enough, but this was a largely, dull and mundane 'adventure', and it's sometimes even easy to forget this is even a part of the official series of the James Bond releases
Stamper and Kaufman were pretty good villains for me, but as a main villain, Carver just doesn't cut it for me, either. He was very insane and narcissistic, but I need a little bit of physical force behind my main Bond bad guy.
Even Greene in QoS: I was worried because Amalric is a smaller, quieter man, but when he goes insane with that axe in the finale, it was good enough for me.
Parking Garage Chase
Judi Dench and Geoffrey Palmer reunion
Solid PTS
Five Cons:
Teri Hatcher
More of a generic action flic and less of a Bond flic
Teri Hatcher
Cringeworthy Lines (I'm looking at you Samantha Bond)
Oh, and Teri Hatcher
He stopped using the ppk for a while until QOS. And I don't see why people complain so much about the TND finale, he's used a machine gun just as much before. I don't think you've seen Rambo.
Also, Wai Lin pretending to be Jackie Chan??? Michelle Yeoh has done lots of martial arts films and since she's playing a spy who was in alot of fight scenes, why not have her doing just that, martial arts. What about the kung fu in TWMTGG? It's like people try to find any excuse to say Brosnan and his films were bad.
15. Tomorrow Never Dies (1997)- Poor Pierce. You'd think that after the GoldenEye PTS they'd come up with better for him, right? Sorry. I'm still trying to figure out how a terrorist is trying to garrot Bond, gets ejected, and doesn't take Bond's head with him. Did they ever show how he got loose? Not good. After that, I generally like the premise of TND. Sure, the whole "villain pits countries against each other" thing has been done by the above two films, but the stealth boat is a different, and even better, more realistic twist on the concept. As far as Brosnan goes, it's my favorite performance of his in the role and he seems more comfortable, his scene where he executes Dr. Kaufmann (awesomely played by the now late Vincent Schiavelli) is very Bondian and shows some growth. He also has another good cast around him that I enjoyed, in particular Michelle Yeoh as Wai Lin. This girl gets a little undeserved abuse around here- if you're going to position a female spy as an equal alongside Bond (see Amasova and Jinx as not what to do), then she better be a lot more believeable and Yeoh is a legit ass kicker who gives her character real credibility. Teri Hatcher does OK with what little screen time she is given. As for lead villain Elliot Carver, I also enjoy Jonathan Pryce's portrayal but in general these villains don't hold up to those of GoldenEye. I also really like the soundtrack for the most part, it's my favorite of Arnold's to date and of course "Surrender" rates with the best Bond songs. What bothers me regarding the film are pretty much those issued mentioned before. The cheesy one liners that Brosnan and Samantha Bond have to say, even Judi Dench gets in on them and all of it lacks the class the movies are known for. My other issue regards over reliance on action and explosions, although the ending scene between Bond and Stamper and Bond's subsequent rescue of Wai Lin saves the finale for me.
If you're referring to the "cunning linguist" line that's probably the best quote in the film - always makes me smirk. You can see SB is having a field day with it and I'm with her all the way.
If you want cringe-worthy lines from Moneypenny look at Caroline Bliss from TLD. Even my parents thought the Barry Manilow stuff was dreadful,
'ooh moneypenny, the story of our relationship, close but no cigar' etc, that was much more entertaining or got a reaction, far better Bond movie too..
Now THAT would have been an excellent ending. Carver met such a grizzly, huge demise for someone who wouldn't have needed to take much damage to die.
You are so spot on - when we walks away from his fight at the printers - he is so Bond - I defy anyone here to be honest and wish they were Bond for those 5-10 seconds of Bond being the coolest thing to walk on the planet.
It is the best PB bit of Bond ever....