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Good Will Hunting
Casablanca
High Noon
Zodiac
Layer Cake
The Dark Knight Rises
some worthy movies with the exception of the last. ;)
Yeah, I actually agree with you a bit. I couldn't bear to read more people proclaiming that the ending is just a dream sequence. 8-|
May I make a suggestion? Could the name of each film that gets debated be in big and bold letters so that it's easier to spot where new discussions start. Maybe then there would be no need for spoiler tags - people who haven't seen that particular film could skip to the next discussion easily if they so wish and maybe read the discussion later after watching if they're interested. I don't see why practically all discussion would need to be in spoiler tags, especially since they're not new films, anyway and there's a warning in the title.
I loved the previous discussions (just read them) - made me want to watch all three films again, since I don't remember them that well.
Sooooo.... what about Layer Cake? :)
Thanks for the tips, too. If more people got into this, I feel like it could be a very fun thread.
Fine use of music too, esp DD's Ordinary Day, and Gimme Shelter.
Sienna Miller's brief scene is just right, makes an impression.
Wish Matthew Vaughan had done CR, but guess that's a minority view here. Okay, not sure about his action credentials, but the whole feel of Layer Cake I just like, and wish a few Bonds could be like that now, sort of exotic without seeming naff. It's eye candy.
First, I have to say that I am a big fan of crime films. So just the topic brings this movie to my attention. But it also has so many good things, it is so well made, for example:
- great dialogue: from Craig's introduction ("I'm businessman, whose commodity happens to be cocaine") to the "layer cake" speech.
- brillant performances: by Craig, Gambon, Sienna Miller (who also appears extremely hot in this movie), Ben Whishaw, the guy of Jimmy Price and everyone else.
- music is good, not only the songs that already being mentioned but the original tracks by Lisa Gerrard as well.
- interesting story, even if, similar to Faust, it's "complex".
The only negative side, for me it's:
Best quotes:
"Many times we're asked to do something behind the line of duty. It's called sacrifice son".
"Thirteen million pounds?" (Eddie Temple says this like if he lost his voice)
"Mr Troop could find anyone in the planet in 10 minutes".
Definetly one of my top 10 movies.
Also, would everyone here like to see Dan come back and reprise his role for a sequel? If Vaughn is on board I would love to see another film based around XXXX and his exploits.
I say that XXXX lives. It's quite the possibility, and because of the new book that was written, we find out that he does. Author's word goes, I suppose. I for one would love to get another 'Layer Cake' with Craig returning. Perhaps it would garner an even bigger fan base now that Craig is a more well-known actor.
And in that kind of business there's always the risk of be (A) arrested or (B) murder. I believe that was the whole point (as it is also presented in The Sopranos, "you never see it coming").
So, some feel that he died and others don't. Any other opinions?
It's an ending you can have suit you either way. I'd like to see him live, though. It is one of my fav films, whether a sequel is ever made or not (and I doubt it now that Craig has been so successful as Bond).
I don't think Dan's fame feeds into it. Even after he became a household name with CR he did a passion project called Flashbacks of a Fool with an old friend, so he isn't opposed to the idea. If Dan wanted to do another turn as XXXX, I think he would.
@0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, that he did, and I quite liked 'Flashbacks of a Fool.' Another smaller film of his that I loved was 'Enduring Love.'
So, no, not sure an ambitious Craig would want to hark back to a Layer Cake sequel, after all not sure that film made a vast amount of money.
Precisely, and immaculately put. Some of the greatest films in celluloid history weren't big commercial hits (some not even critical), but as time went by people took notice.
As it has been said, Dan does projects because they are new to him, and interest and challenge him, not because of the paycheck.
Any final words on 'Layer Cake'? If not, does anyone have a suggestion for the next movie?
So, what do you think about the ending, and with that, the real case of the Zodiac Killer? Do you believe Arthur Leigh Allen was the killer off of Mageau's mugshot identification of him? Do you think the DNA tests really held up enough to confirm that Allen was not the Zodiac Killer?
I have been intrigued for as long as I can remember by the real life case and this masterpiece of a film from the first time I saw it, and must say that Allen really seems to be the killer in my eyes.
The things that make me suspect him:
*He lived in very close proximity to one of the first victims (that we know of), a female, and had been reported to be at a party that same woman was having and some thought he was "odd."
*His favorite story was "The Most Dangerous Game", a book he was obsessed with since his youth, a book where a man named Count Zaroff hunts people on his island because it is hunting man, not animals that is the "most dangerous game" of all. Allen was said to have been intrigued by the idea of hunting people because they "have intelligence."
*Leigh Allen had a Zodiac brand watch, with the same symbols on the face that the killer used to sign his letters.
*There is testimony by one of Allen's friends, Don Cheney, that Allen used the premise of writing a novel to communicate this fantasy similar to what the Zodiac did. He claims Allen told him:
He would like to kill couples at random.
He would taunt the police with letters detailing his crimes.
He would sign the letters with the cross-circle symbol from his watch.
He would call himself "Zodiac."
He would wear make-up to change his appearance.
He would attach a flashlight to the barrel of his gun in order to shoot at night.
AND
He would fool women into stopping their cars in rural areas by claiming they had problems with their tires, then loosen their lug nuts and eventually take them captive.
^ He see basically all of these in the film itself, except for the statement regarding him wearing make-up to change his appearance.
*While Allen was imprisoned for molestation charges, the Zodiac letters stopped. They began again not long after his release.
*The day before police got a warrant for the search of Allen's residence, he had cleaned out most of what was in his home. There were still guns similar to the Zodiac's there, though.
*Allen's birthday coincides with that of the Zodiac's, the date of which the killer mentions in a letter he sent to the home of Melvin Belli (I think the birthday was December 18th).
*Mike Mageau, one of the first Zodiac victims (and one of the few survivors) claims he is "very certain" Allen is the man that shot him.
*Robert Graysmith says that after Allen died, the mysterious phone calls made to his home (with just he breathing on the other line) stopped.
There is a lot more, but I just wanted to outline why I feel it was Allen. The writing not matching up doesn't bother me, since it isn't a very conclusive test to do because it can change and some people are ambidextrous. As for the DNA, that still puzzles me. What are your thoughts, @Creasy47?
For instance, the most blatant invention is the fact that during the interview with the police, Allen is wearing a very rare kind of boots that the Zodiac wore too. No such things happened in real life according to Zodiac expert websites (and there's quite a few !). And that explains why such a critical clue is given to the viewers (with the help of a scene in which the police officer notice the boots but say nothing about them, and earlier explanations these boots are very rare), but then has no impact at all on the story. That's just the author wishing he had a smoking gun in his theory.