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Bond Villain A vs. Bond Villain B (Chang vs. Gettler)

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited June 2012 Posts: 28,694
    Getafix wrote:
    Sean Bean was awful casting in GE. He screams 'TV' for me and was not at all convincing as a 'villain'. Mikkelson is in another league of villany. That said, I actually felt a bit sorry for Le Chiffre in CR - he never seems to get a break and is on the back foot right from the start.

    I didn't feel bad for him. He screwed up with the job he was appointed, and suffered the consequences.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited June 2012 Posts: 12,837
    Thanks for using my suggestion @00Beast!

    Anyway, I vote for Trevelayn. Le Chiffre was good, memorable and a bit scary, he was also different because you feel sort of sorry for him, but Trevelayn was just brilliant. Sean Bean is a great actor and performs really well, he has some great, memorable lines. The relationship between him and Brosnan is really cool and I liked the idea of a former 00 being a villian (even if his plan didn't make a whole lot of sense).

    He was also a great physical villian, the fight between him and Bond at the end is one of my favourite 007 moments. And Sean Bean pulls it off well, when I first saw him in the GE PTS I thought "hey look it's the guy from patriot games", but now I always think of him as 006.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    @thelivingroyale: Sure thing! Thanks for the request! It's turning out to be quite a match, too!
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Le Chiffre.
  • actonsteveactonsteve
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    BAIN123 wrote:
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    so by that logic his casting was awful in Lotr, ?

    Actually it was pretty perfect casting as Boromir. He come across as someone who has just come off the wild moors with a sheep on his shoulder. Thats why he was so good on Game of Thrones.

    But as a silky menacing Bond villain..not so much.

    My 'umble opinion of course.

  • JBFan626JBFan626
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    If we're talking Peter Lorre's version of Lechiffre from 1954, then LeChiffre all the way. But if we're talkin' Mads Mikkelsen's version, then Alec Trevelyan wins (Even though Alec had dubious motives). Mads was good in the part, I just never felt his LeChiffre was very threatening, and this partly had to do with the way his written. Sean Bean really came across as a bad guy in GE.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited June 2012 Posts: 11,189
    actonsteve wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
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    so by that logic his casting was awful in Lotr, ?

    Actually it was pretty perfect casting as Boromir. He come across as someone who has just come off the wild moors with a sheep on his shoulder. Thats why he was so good on Game of Thrones.

    But as a silky menacing Bond villain..not so much.

    My 'umble opinion of course.

    Well Bean's played his fair share of villains. Patriot Games (Irish terrorist), The Island (evil doctor), The Hitcher (Rutger Hauer's role). He must be doing something right.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    Sean Bean was awful casting in GE. He screams 'TV' for me and was not at all convincing as a 'villain'. Mikkelson is in another league of villany. That said, I actually felt a bit sorry for Le Chiffre in CR - he never seems to get a break and is on the back foot right from the start.

    so by that logic his casting was awful in Lotr, The Island, Patriot Games, Equilibrium and all the other movies he's been in (many of which he's playing bad guys)?

    Yes. Not a big fan of the Beanster. He is awful in Patriot Games.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Getafix wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    Sean Bean was awful casting in GE. He screams 'TV' for me and was not at all convincing as a 'villain'. Mikkelson is in another league of villany. That said, I actually felt a bit sorry for Le Chiffre in CR - he never seems to get a break and is on the back foot right from the start.

    so by that logic his casting was awful in Lotr, The Island, Patriot Games, Equilibrium and all the other movies he's been in (many of which he's playing bad guys)?

    Yes. Not a big fan of the Beanster. He is awful in Patriot Games.

    So if he was cast as Bond (he was in the running at one point) would you have hated him more or less than Brosnan?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Alec Trevelyan. As much as I like Le Chiffre, Trevelyan and Bond had a long past together, and I couldn't imagine my biggest enemy being my ex-best friend. That scene between Bond and Trevelyan in the statue graveyard is excellent, their short-lived, allied time together in the PTS made them a great duo, thus, an excellent villain. Their final fight scene is tremendous.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I actually prefer LeChiffre over Trevelyan. I love Sean Bean as an actor and stating he was awfully cast in GE is something I can't quite agree with myself. That said, I've never been a fan of the old friend turning against us plot.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    I actually prefer LeChiffre over Trevelyan. I love Sean Bean as an actor and stating he was awfully cast in GE is something I can't quite agree with myself. That said, I've never been a fan of the old friend turning against us plot.

    I know it would never happen, but I would have quite enjoyed seeing a prequel of sorts of Bond and Trevelyan working together. Just a fantasy, because I wouldn't enjoy side stories or television shows of Bond, like the rumored Jinx side film of DAD.
  • JBFan626JBFan626
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    I actually prefer LeChiffre over Trevelyan. I love Sean Bean as an actor and stating he was awfully cast in GE is something I can't quite agree with myself. That said, I've never been a fan of the old friend turning against us plot.

    I think it can be an effective plot point, it's just that the relationships with Bond and Trevelyan was never fleshed out enough. We get one scene in the PTS, yet we're supposed to just believe these guys go way back.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    I actually prefer LeChiffre over Trevelyan. I love Sean Bean as an actor and stating he was awfully cast in GE is something I can't quite agree with myself. That said, I've never been a fan of the old friend turning against us plot.

    I know it would never happen, but I would have quite enjoyed seeing a prequel of sorts of Bond and Trevelyan working together. Just a fantasy, because I wouldn't enjoy side stories or television shows of Bond, like the rumored Jinx side film of DAD.

    That's what I wanted to happen in CR with Bond and Mathis. In the novel they have a history of working together, and one day I would like to see another Bond team up with Mathis at the same age as him (mid-30s), and face a mission together. Mathis is such a great character, and after almost 50 years he finally appears in a Bond film, only to be killed two years after. One of my biggest gripes with QoS that I just can't defend.
  • LeChiffreLeChiffre
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    I'm much scarier than Trevelyan thank you very much!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, excellent character, was happy to see him finally introduced to the film series, and saddened to see him get a pathetic death just another film later.

    @LeChiffre, how'd you fish that bullet out of your skull?
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    Le Chiffre, I can't take Bean seriously when he says " For England James" in that fake posh accent he attempts, he was great in Game of Thrones but I'm not a fan of G.E or Trevelyan.

    Bean is a mixed bag sometimes good sometimes bad his AL is somewhere in between.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    Yeah I prefer Trevelayn but Bean should've just used his normal accent.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    Sean Bean was awful casting in GE. He screams 'TV' for me and was not at all convincing as a 'villain'. Mikkelson is in another league of villany. That said, I actually felt a bit sorry for Le Chiffre in CR - he never seems to get a break and is on the back foot right from the start.

    so by that logic his casting was awful in Lotr, The Island, Patriot Games, Equilibrium and all the other movies he's been in (many of which he's playing bad guys)?

    Yes. Not a big fan of the Beanster. He is awful in Patriot Games.

    So if he was cast as Bond (he was in the running at one point) would you have hated him more or less than Brosnan?

    I can't say because it never happened. However it's difficult to see him as Bond. That said, it's also difficult to imagine anyone being worse than Brozza.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    Alec Trevelyan 006- 11 votes
    Le Chiffre- 14 votes

    Very close match, but it seems that Quantum had a showdown with Janus, and the latter's leader did not come out of the bloodbath alive.

    Next match starts now!

    Dr. Kananga vs. Max Zorin
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited June 2012 Posts: 40,978
    Max Zorin for me. I love Christopher Walken.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited June 2012 Posts: 8,218
    Zorin. That scene where he guns down his miners is more menacing than anything Kananga did, despite the fact AVTAK is one of my least favourite Bond movies.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    Max Zorin for sure. My second favorite Bond villain next to Alec Trevelyan. As @CraigMooreOHMSS already mentioned, that scene where he slaughters his own workers just sums up his character. PURE EVIL!! Definitely better than Kananga, though he's a top ten villain as well.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Max Zorin. The Christopher Walken casting was excellent.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Max Zorin. He was just so happy in that saddle. =))
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    Posts: 3,494
    Yaphet Kotto is excellent as Kananga and a terrific actor. no complaints. But Walken's performance is as fantastically unhinged as his character, one of the best Bond villains ever and like Orlov he steals the show from everyone around him including Sir Roger.

    Max Zorin for me.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    Both are on the stronger side of the villains to date but I agree with the rest for this choice: Max Zorin.
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    Posts: 2,629
    I will vote for Zorin because Kananga needed more cowbell.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    Kananga, but only because he was also Mr Big, Zorin was a bit of a letdown. Walken did himself no favors in that release. Kotto's two characters in one actually worked quite well, especially as Mr Big, which we did not see much of, but so much more threatening, Kananga was impressive, but was hurt greatly by the stupid asinine ending and the blow up finale
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
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    As much as I like both Yaphet Kotto as an actor and Kananga as a villain you just can't beat Christopher Walken. Zorin it is.
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