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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Ah, it's a typo right?
    Dude, I think he means Tim's great film..
  • DCisaredDCisared Liverpool
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    Diamonds are forever
    Octopussy
    Die another day
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    DCisared wrote:
    Octopussy
    And thus did clown-disguise-a-phobia take hold in James Bond fandom...
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited January 2013 Posts: 11,189
    I really don't get why OP is so reviled by some people :-S

    The people who talk about Bond in a clown suit don't seem to mention the opening sequence involving 009.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    I love OP. It used to be around the middle for me but I rewatched it not too long ago and I thought it was great.

    The bit with the clown suit is one of the tensest scenes of the series.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited January 2013 Posts: 11,189
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    I love OP. It used to be around the middle for me but I rewatched it not too long ago and I thought it was great.

    The bit with the clown suit is one of the tensest scenes of the series.

    I really like it too and now can't help but think Moore should have ended his run with that. It would have been a more fitting end than seeing him in the shower with Stacey (even if the "in out" stuff and his cast leg going up as he kisses OP isn't exactly subtle).
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    I see so many people put Diamonds Are Forever in their bottom three! Granted, it does lend itself a little too much comedy at times, but I find it a lot better than bottom three! In fact, I usually place it in my top ten, because it's pretty classy and entertaining when you get down to the bare facts.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited January 2013 Posts: 11,189
    00Beast wrote:
    I see so many people put Diamonds Are Forever in their bottom three! Granted, it does lend itself a little too much comedy at times, but I find it a lot better than bottom three! In fact, I usually place it in my top ten, because it's pretty classy and entertaining when you get down to the bare facts.

    Maybe I'm being a little hard on it but I just find it a bit...boring above all. It's too "laid back" for my liking - and Charles Grey was more suited as Henderson.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    I see so many people put Diamonds Are Forever in their bottom three! Granted, it does lend itself a little too much comedy at times, but I find it a lot better than bottom three! In fact, I usually place it in my top ten, because it's pretty classy and entertaining when you get down to the bare facts.

    Maybe I'm being a little hard on it but I just find it a bit...boring above all. It's too "laid back" for my liking - and Charles Grey was more suited as Henderson.

    It is rather laid back, I will give you that, because the action is quite scarce, and what we do get is pretty limited, especially the finale, which is really disappointing for such a build-up.
  • AliAli
    edited January 2013 Posts: 319
    Being not a fan of Connory, I find Diamonds to be him at his smuggest and least likeable. I do rate Goldfinger and FRWL highly, despite it being Connory, because he hadn't become the smug and unlikeable Bond he was in DAF, YOLT and TB. As he went on, he lost all the emotional vulnerability that Fleming's Bond showed in spades. The difference between DAF's book and film isn't just in the script, it's a very different and less likeable Bond in the film as well.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited January 2013 Posts: 11,189
    00Beast wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    I see so many people put Diamonds Are Forever in their bottom three! Granted, it does lend itself a little too much comedy at times, but I find it a lot better than bottom three! In fact, I usually place it in my top ten, because it's pretty classy and entertaining when you get down to the bare facts.

    Maybe I'm being a little hard on it but I just find it a bit...boring above all. It's too "laid back" for my liking - and Charles Grey was more suited as Henderson.

    It is rather laid back, I will give you that, because the action is quite scarce, and what we do get is pretty limited, especially the finale, which is really disappointing for such a build-up.

    That's another reason I don't like it much. Other than the lift fight and (perhaps) the final fight with Wint and Kidd most of the action is ho-hum at best.

    I will say though that I think Connery's performance is a little better than it was in Twice (although I don't think that was as bad as some make out).
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    @BAIN123: Oh I'd say Connery improved DRASTICALLY between YOLT and DAF! In DAF, I actually enjoyed his presence in the movie as 007! In YOLT, I want Roger to come in early and lend us a hand!
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    I love OP. It used to be around the middle for me but I rewatched it not too long ago and I thought it was great.

    The bit with the clown suit is one of the tensest scenes of the series.

    I really like it too and now can't help but think Moore should have ended his run with that. It would have been a more fitting end than seeing him in the shower with Stacey (even if the "in out" stuff and his cast leg going up as he kisses OP isn't exactly subtle).

    Moore should've definetly gone out in a high with OP. Give AVTAK to Dalton, I would've loved to see him come up against Walkens villian.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    I love OP. It used to be around the middle for me but I rewatched it not too long ago and I thought it was great.

    The bit with the clown suit is one of the tensest scenes of the series.
    Yeah I think people go a little overboard criticizing that scene in particular. I mean I've seen people say its the worst movie in the series just because JB should never be dressed as a clown. Now I can understand where they are coming from but in the context of the film Bond is in disguise. He's in a desperate situation and he's just trying to avoid security so he can stop the bomb from going off. Its not like he went to the casino dressed up as a clown. Now that would be ridiculous.
    However, with that being said, you know what really bothers me about that scene? Its the short amount of time in which he gets dressed up as a clown. I haven't seen the movie recently but I believe, according to the timer on the bomb, that in about 30 seconds flat he exits the trailer in perfect disguise. Big funny shoes, red ball over his nose and face painted perfectly. Not a smudge on the makeup job mind you. He even had time to paint that little tear drop. All in 30 seconds or so. Perhaps I'm wrong on the exact amount of time, please correct me if I am, but its close to that. I mean come on now.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    pachazo wrote:
    All in 30 seconds or so. Perhaps I'm wrong on the exact amount of time, please correct me if I am, but its close to that. I mean come on now.
    Time compresses in movies; it had to be a LITTLE more than thirty seconds, dude.
    :))
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    First mention on this since August, and it's little chance opinions have changed

    #21 Diamonds are Forever
    #22 Quantum of Solace
    #23 Die Another Day
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    #22 Quantum of Solace
    PPK's at dawn, then?
    :))
  • jackdaggerjackdagger
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    Bottom three for me as of right now are:

    21) You Only Live Twice
    22) Moonraker
    23) Die Another Day

    I am rewatching them all on blu-ray though so it might change, although I kind of doubt it.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    Moonraker at #22 ! :(

    I'd appreciate it, if you could, after a viewing, place it a more favorable position. I mean, it's nowhere near as bad as that, and in my top five of all things

    I just don't like to see that Moore release get bad reviews that's all
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    Moonraker at #22 ! :(

    I'd appreciate it, if you could, after a viewing, place it a more favorable position. I mean, it's nowhere near as bad as that, and in my top five of all things

    I just don't like to see that Moore release get bad reviews that's all
    We could tell you the same about QoS, a REAL Bond film.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    4000 posts coming up. Where does the time go to

    @-)

    I acknowledge Quantum of Soalce is a real Bond film. It's serious, exciting in places, has a great Bond, real Fleming qualities etc, but I simply didn't enjoy it

    Poor villains, absurd plot, nauseating action that makes you dizzy, a scandalous rip off of the Shirley Eaton scene from Goldfinger, boring and mundane sequences, it's no surprise I hold it in such little regard, but once again, Craig all on his own, almost keeps the film's head above water, but the bottom line is, it's simply a release I didn't enjoy

    Moonraker on the other hand, Yes, it's silly, Moore plays the fool half the time, but what a damn fine Bond release. Best background scores, outstanding pre credits sequence, a superlative performance from Lonsdale, I never get bored when watching, lots of exciting action sequences, only spoilt by the nonsense idea of putting James Bond into outer space. Other than that, it's a truly enjoyable few hours spent
  • MaxRebo120MaxRebo120
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    # 21: OCTOPUSSY (Sorry!)
    # 22: A VIEW TO A KILL
    # 23: DIE ANOTHER DAY
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    4000 posts coming up. Where does the time go to

    @-)

    I acknowledge Quantum of Soalce is a real Bond film. It's serious, exciting in places, has a great Bond, real Fleming qualities etc, but I simply didn't enjoy it

    Poor villains, absurd plot, nauseating action that makes you dizzy, a scandalous rip off of the Shirley Eaton scene from Goldfinger, boring and mundane sequences, it's no surprise I hold it in such little regard, but once again, Craig all on his own, almost keeps the film's head above water, but the bottom line is, it's simply a release I didn't enjoy

    Moonraker on the other hand, Yes, it's silly, Moore plays the fool half the time, but what a damn fine Bond release. Best background scores, outstanding pre credits sequence, a superlative performance from Lonsdale, I never get bored when watching, lots of exciting action sequences, only spoilt by the nonsense idea of putting James Bond into outer space. Other than that, it's a truly enjoyable few hours spent

    My dear @Baltimore_007, again, I was only joking! :P
  • jackdaggerjackdagger
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    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    I'd appreciate it, if you could, after a viewing, place it a more favorable position. I mean, it's nowhere near as bad as that, and in my top five of all things

    Well, it's next on my list, so I'll let you know how it goes. ;)
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    It really is asking a lot though, to raise it from #22, into a top five position, but have another watch and see what you think. Pay close attention to the background scores, especially during the free fall sequence, Drax Doberman's chase, and certain spacestation sequences. Don't forget to have a cucumber sandwich also
  • dramaticscenesofQOSdramaticscenesofQOS
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    GF, DAF, DAD tied with OP
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Cant believe how many have OP down here with the likes of DAD and DAF.

    Great PTS, the auction is tremendous fun, OK the India scenes are mediocre (although backgammon scene is classic Bond and could easily have come from Fleming) but the moment we hit Germany its one of the best 40 minutes in Bond with easily the best countdown sequence which is made only more tense by the inclusion of the clown disguise which is a stroke of genius (even if, as some have said, its a little too perfect in the time Bond had to put it on). The moment where Bond is trying to convince the general about the bomb is possibly Rogs finest moment.

    Unbelievable how many people are too blinkered to just see 'Bond in a clown suit' and fail to understand that its Bond disguised as a clown not being made into one. Theres a subtle difference. For the latter I suggest you watch DAD.

    And as for someone having TLD down there? Forget the hackneyed old cliche of 'everyones entitled to their opinions' crap. If you seriously think TLD belongs bottom 3 you have no concept of the character of James Bond at all.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited January 2013 Posts: 12,837
    OP I could understand if you're a Fleming purist but I think there's still lots to like and you'd have to be a bit of a miserable bugger not to enjoy it. Even the India scenes (which do go OTT with the comedy at times), have great moments and lines.

    TLD at the bottom is just disgraceful.

    21) MR
    22) DAF
    23) DAD
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    TheWizardOfIce wrote:
    Unbelievable how many people are too blinkered to just see 'Bond in a clown suit' and fail to understand that its Bond disguised as a clown not being made into one.

    And as for someone having TLD down there? Forget the hackneyed old cliche of 'everyones entitled to their opinions' crap. If you seriously think TLD belongs bottom 3 you have no concept of the character of James Bond at all.
    Hear hear- very well said!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited January 2013 Posts: 28,694
    TheWizardOfIce wrote:
    And as for someone having TLD down there? Forget the hackneyed old cliche of 'everyones entitled to their opinions' crap. If you seriously think TLD belongs bottom 3 you have no concept of the character of James Bond at all.
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    TLD at the bottom is just disgraceful.
    I have seen people say that they have Dr. No in their bottom three, but you don't see me having a fit of it.
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