It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
^ Back to Top
The MI6 Community is unofficial and in no way associated or linked with EON Productions, MGM, Sony Pictures, Activision or Ian Fleming Publications. Any views expressed on this website are of the individual members and do not necessarily reflect those of the Community owners. Any video or images displayed in topics on MI6 Community are embedded by users from third party sites and as such MI6 Community and its owners take no responsibility for this material.
James Bond News • James Bond Articles • James Bond Magazine
Comments
Yeah but when something is so far removed from what it was originally conceived of in the first place then just what are you a fan of precisely?
FRWL and GF
Just kidding.
I actually kind of do not agree with that one. I for one know several Die-Hard Bond fans that love QOS and DAD for the good parts they had. I do not, but I do not think that this is a good criteria.
007
Or maybe you just like the films, and the books, and the games, and buy anything Bond related…
You're not a real Bond fan unless ... you know his first name.
You're not a real Bond fan unless ... at least once in your life you order a martini, shaken not stirred.
You're not a real Bond fan unless ... you can talk about Pussy Galore with a straight face.
Agreed completely. To me, the whole point of the "real fan" discussion is for people to reassure themselves that they are the "real" fans and that other people are not. It's a way of trying to claim ownership over something or prove superiority. We used to get into arguments about this when I was a kid - me and my friend said that we were the "real" Bond fans because we loved Connery and hated Moore, other kids said that they were the "real" Bond fans because they liked the current films (starring Moore) and hated the "old" films because they were dated and out-of-style.
Really, if you like the character of Bond and any of the media that he appears in then of course you're a "Bond fan". I was actually embarrassed to see someone going off on a rant in another thread about how someone who didn't agree with him wasn't a Bond fan but was only a fan of "Craig, your wannabe lover". Seriously? I say this in all honesty, and having learned the lesson myself - if these are the kind of things that you need to say and believe to make yourself feel important or special then your life is extremely...limited. Let's all be friends and support each other in our difference of opinion. Fifty years of films, 6 different actors, different novelists, video games...there's no way that we'll ever all agree on what is "real" or not so let's all agree that we enjoy James Bond.
By that logic though, I wasn't a fan until 2006 (when I read CR, and I probably wouldn't have done if it wasn't for the film being released at that time), even though I got into Bond when TLD came out and I saw it at the cinema.
Thinking about it now, I'm with Brady on this one.
I lost a girl once because of this.
I'm guessing you're quite young. Without them there is no Bond, simple. You don't have to read them but show some respect.
I would definitely be the bolded.
I'm used to it. He's 15 or so, one year older than my daughter. She has lots of left field thoughts like that too. All we can try to do is keep teaching him. Who knows, one day, he might actually like GF and OHMSS better than #21 and #22 ;)
I'm not sure just quite how young you're thinking, but I am 16. I have read Moonraker and am in the process of reading Goldfinger, so I do show that respect, haha. I'm just saying that I don't think it is of utmost importance as a Bond fan to read the books. I find the movies to be of more necessary priority.
The books are very important. Glad to see you're reading them. You should see some good similarities between novel Moonraker and your fave movie GE.
That I did, what with Drax's plan of vengeance against the people of London and all. And thank you, it was in March! Haha.
There's the issue. If you forget the novels you lose the semblance of who the character was before the movies in part twisted his characteristics through all the iterations by our 6 actors. The novels should never be forgotten, one because they are great, but more importantly because without them we wouldn't have the films, especially the small few that actually adapt the character of Bond well on to the screen.
I'm in a similar boat. I hadn't read any of Fleming's novels until 2008, even though I was introduced to Bond in 1997.
I do understand the importance of the novels and how they have shaped the character of 007 onto the movies we now know. I certainly appreciate what has been done with the novels, of course. In short, I guess I'm not much of a reader, haha. I find myself getting very impatient trying to trudge through the pages of a novel.
Absolutely. Hardly a surprise as 00Beast has some 'controversial' views on a range of subjects but this takes the cake. To completely dismiss the books like that, the little whippersnapper needs a clip round the ear and teaching some respect before he starts issuing his proclamations on what makes a real Bond fan. Thats what happens when you let kids on these forums I guess. I suppose I should be more mature than to let myself rise to his bait but Jesus Christ.
If you havent read a Fleming novel then you are on extremely shaky ground claiming to be a 'real' Bond fan no matter how many times you have seen the films or played through the games (cant believe we've even reached a point where we are talking about the books and games as if they are equally valid).
Shaky ground of San Andreas fault proportions actually. After project Mainstrike without May Days intervention.
Like I said before though, that means I wasn't a Bond fan until 2006, and I've loved Bond since TLD came out. And I think @00Beast said he'd read MR or GF now.
I have read Moonraker all the way through and am working on Goldfinger right now, as a matter of fact. I don't understand where it came to be that in order to be a Bond fan you absolutely must have read a novel or two, like it's rule #1 in the Bond Handbook or something. I would believe that the movies are of more importance, since they've had more of an impact. As for the games, I think they are better than the novels on the sheer basis of enjoyment, but I'm sure you'll find fault with my statements on this particular point, so I'll go no further than that. I did not "dismiss" the books as you said, I just stated that it doesn't matter to me whether or not one has read the novels; I know their importance to the series, and of course I do have respect for them (even though they're just books, I don't know why I should have to have respect) but in my opinion the movies are what really got things going. Also, I thought the forum was for all people of all ages?
Ah, the folly of youth.
Dont worry 00Beast we are all allowed to make fools of ourselves in our formative years. When you look back on yourself as a kid in 20 years you will both laugh and cringe at these comments.
Go out and enjoy yourself while you can - shag loads of birds, get drunk with your mates etc. etc for it will all soon be over and the only thing that compensates you for your lost youth is the wisdom and experience of age.
Granted, take the 'Twilight' series, for instance: I hate it. Now, if I was a self-proclaimed 'fan' after you read that first sentence, I would obviously be lying and you could call me out on it. But, I'm not going to flaunt being a fan of something that I hate. If someone who had never heard of the world of James Bond rented a Bond film, watched it, loved it, and considered his/herself a fan, then that's what they are: a fan. There's no checklist.
Well the thread is titled 'real fan' not just 'fan'.
A person who watches the odd Bond film when its on telly can call themselves a 'fan' but they are a casual fan in my book not a real fan. My gran will watch a Bond film when its on and likes Rog best but thats where her knowledge ends. Does that make her a 'real' fan?
I agree with you that this whole concept is largely down to one upmanship and people trying to say 'my dick is bigger than yours' but its also about respect both for the character and material and for other people for whom something is very important.
I like Batman, both the new films and a bit of Adam West, but I have never read a Batman comic book. I would never dream to be so presumptuous as to say I am on the same level as fans who have read all the comics and know Batman lore inside out. These people have invested much more of their time and effort in the character than me so their point of view is more valid than mine. For all I know, saying you like Adam West in the role might be heresy in the Batman community, hence although I would class myself as a 'casual' fan I would never claim that I am a 'real' fan or that all fans are on an equal footing.
To disregard Flemings books as flippantly as 00Beast does seem to me to betray a lack of interest in the character.
Its a bit like karate or judo in terms or reaching certain belt colours. You could reach a certain level of competence to call yourself a karate expert and get say a red belt (sorry not a fan (even casual) of karate so have no idea what this colour signifies) but to reach black belt you would need to take it to that extra level of dedication.
For me, in order for someone to rise to be a Bond black belt a thorough knowledge of Fleming is mandatory.