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And we should take the negative reviews seriously?
It has to be said that whatever you think about the Moore films, they did not hark back to the Connery films nearly as much as every movie from GE onwards. They had the courage of their convictions. A cinemagoer could have never seen a Bond film but instantly get TSWLM or MR or FYEO or LALD, but I rather fancy a newbie might be mystified by SF, because much of it asks that we already know about Bond as an iconic character.
I agree. I like the fact the Lotus became just as iconic as the DB5 for it's own reasons. I've always wished they'd do similar nowadays. Culture now though is seemingly 50% homage/nostalgia, which is misplaced. It's in everyone's interest to create new iconography otherwise we end up in a situation where we'll eventually be referencing references in some warped hybrid of a world that doesn't have a clearly delineated identity.
And how those little references annoy people baffles me. He has driven AM's in other films as well. Even in the horrible DAD.
It's an iconic Bond vehicle. Say underwater Lotus to people and they instantly know what you mean. If you don't think it's an iconic vehicle in the Bond universe then you're clearly deluded.
I didn't say it ISNT iconic, I said not as BIG as the Aston Martins.
I shared a joke with Germanlady did you show me any respect?
That's right and as much as I loved the DB5 in skyfall , it's starting to become slightly tedious IMO with all the homages of late. The films are at risk of becoming a parody of themselves if it continues.
Lets have new gadgets ,
New vehicles ,
New lines and quips ,
New villains and new locations please.
No pressure EON ;)) :D
Yeah but you don't ever discuss anything. The topic of conversation is to do with creating new icons and not being self-referential or nostalgic. You telling me the Lotus is not as iconic as the DB5 is just irrelevant. What do you actually think, about anything? I have no idea what your opinion is on things because you just iterrupt conversations with one line put downs. Do you think they should use the DB5 again? Forever? Should they be so keen on referencing the past? What do you think?
Agreed @DCisared
Funny: now all of a sudden my remark about the Lotus is not relevant. And how do I not discuss anything? Please tell me.
I just posed you three questions.
Should they use the DB5 again?
If yes, forever?
Should they be so keen on referencing the past?
Where's your opinion?
Stop being a little girl.
The DB5 was used in almost all of the Brosnanfilms. Again, did you complain about it then? And I'm all for a modern Aston Martin, like a DB9.
Bond actually drives his beloved Bentley according to Fleming, wouldn't mind seeing that either, an old one that is.
Yes, I wasn't a fan of it in the Brosnan era for the same reasons. I also would like to see the Bentley. Finally something we agree on. (Edit: a new Bentley).
Anyway, I think we all can agree that there are different opinions for skyfall and that that is perfectly fine. In a franchise that features so many different interpretations over a period of 50 years...you just can't please them all. There are different visions of Bond. It's even a generation thing!
What really bugs me about this whole discussion however is the way some argue about it.
I think some of team pro-Skyfall are overly agressive to some of the guys offering criticism. It should however not be such a shock to the team anti-Skyfall, when their criticism contains swear words, states opinions as facts and includes provocative content.
If criticism is voiced in a polite and appropriate way, there is nothing to say against it. Some of the biggest Skyfall fans voiced some criticism around here!
When someone truly dislikes Skyfall, that is perfectly fine! If he/she expresses it in an appropriate way, I am pretty sure no one will (and no one should) attack that person.
If someone however desperately tries to grab attention and provoke the pro-people, he shouldn't be surprised if there is some sort of backlash.
Imagine if the new Batman had to have the old Lincoln style 1960s vehicle tucked away somewhere!
Technically if you look at cinematography, etc, SF is the better film. But I just like GE better.
GE hasn't aged that well (chances are SF will age better) but I don't mind. LTK also feels really 80s but that's still my favourite.
It was nice to see the DB5 again but I really want a new car now. I think maybe they should move away from Astons too. Jag maybe?
These two I especially agree with, since in SF there were no cars or gadgets we hadn't seen before.
And cmon.... it goes UNDERWATER!!! ;) I was blown away by that when I was a kid and I still think it's awesome now.
That IS awesome :D I completely agree.
Me too and ONLY Roger could have pulled that off.
Definetly. The idea sounds maybe a bit too OTT but Moore really makes it work and it turns out brilliantly.
Too many of the same themes and storylines keep coming back around. A Bond with an injured shoulder compromising his performance is something we already saw in The World is Not Enough, which also offered us MI6 being blown up and M in peril as the target of the villains.
And Bond returning after a period of absence from duty, angry, mentally anguished and distrusted by his superiors, was already done in Die Another Day.
I strongly believe that Paul Haggis was responsible for so much of the success of Casino Royale, and I can only wish that EON would throw enough cash his way so as to ensure his return.
We can only hope. If it was a toss up between throwing u or GL into the shark tank though I'm not sure which one I'd push first. Either way you both have an impressive knack for saying very little of substance but with a disproporionate capacity to annoy/offend.