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    Zekidk wrote:
    @DRESSED_TO_KILL

    I think that's a harsh comment. Actually there are many things that I do like about SF, and to some extent I understand why it has gotten great reviews. It's a good movie in itself. Top production value and acting.

    I just don't find it to be a very good Bond-movie, that's all. The pacing is awful and to be honest, I found large chunks of it to be plain boring.

    True. Flat and very strangely paced.
  • DarthDimi wrote:
    To summarize: this movie sucked and is nowhere near the quality of casino royale.

    To summarize: you judge a Bond film solely on its internal logic which you labour hard to attack by putting minute details under a magnifying glass and spin them around so that you can 'prove' that the writers were clueless when they were working on the film. You grab arguments here and there which could render virtually every Bond film into garbage. Why don't they explain this or that, or why does this or that character not make another choice? If that is the set of rules we are henceforth going to bring to a film discussion, hardly any film will come out unscathed. The same arguments could be used to 'prove' that any of the Hitchcocks, Kubricks, Spielbergs, ... is a failure. We really don't need to be told everything in a film - our mind can fill in the blanks if it wants to. And as for extraordinary characters making extraordinary or even illogical choices, I'd say that's a good thing. It helps to fight predictability and boredom.

    Take your last comment for example. Why not this? Why not that? Because you didn't write the film and because the filmmakers decided to do something that hadn't been done before. Your point is terribly belaboured and invalid. Silva's intentions focus around revenge, pure and simple. Had he been rigging banks, you'd complain this was like GE (much like in your first comment you complain about the similarities to M:I). Had he been willing to take over countries, you would have complained about similarities to DAD and a load of other Bond films. Now, for the first time, a man is passionate about revenge and he uses every talent in his body to get it. What's so senseless about that? For once, FOR ONCE, we get a baddie whose intentions are easy to understand, uncomplicated and perfectly human and not nearly as superficial as many of his predecessors. Another Drax, Stromberg or Graves simply wouldn't fit this era.

    And as for your opening comments, they are very contradictory. You want to understand a ton of things about what that list is doing here and there, yet on the other hand you claim there's too big a resemblance to M:I. You want them to be more original yet you want to learn more about it. By making it a McGuffin with which to get the story kicked off, they avoid further resemblance to M:I. And please, after nearly a century of filmmaking, what hasn't been done before? You seem to praise CR. Wow, you're sure about that? I mean, the African boy running through the rain surely seems quite like one of those boys in Black Hawk Down. Oh and as for the casino, a dozen Bond films have played scenes in casinos too. Hardly original wouldn't you say? Why don't they explain more about the secrets Bond's first and second kill collaborated in selling and how M figured it out? You see? I could take your arguments and lay silly claims about CR being a terrible film - which by the way I know it isn't.

    Also, plot is one thing but there's so much more about a Bond film to be considered before taking out the trash. I guess when one is planning to bash a film, one will desperately seek stuff, no matter how inconsequential, to drive the point home.

    Thanks for this Dimi. I thought much the same thing but you beat me to it. DTK makes a few good points but it's like you said, you can poke holes in almost any movie including CR if you've already convinced yourself you can. You could drive a semi through the plot holes in QOS. Most of his and other criticisms can be answered intelligently with an opposing view and thusly seen in a different light. What does amaze me is that SF gives us so much of what people have been asking for, new M, Q, Moneypenny, humor (which was perfectly done just like Sir Sean, but some want that old Moore/Brosnan superspy goofiness which didn't occur in a Fleming novel and was antithetical to Connery and Dalton and does not belong anywhere near a proper Bond film), locations and not too many, no shaky cam/quick cut editing, I genuinely for the most part cannot understand why someone would still be unsatisfied with the effort and the improvements, it's obvious EON is listening and trying to give us the best product they can, let alone prefer the crappier entries of the 70's (3 out of 5) and the 90's "let's tick the 70's boxes".

    The positive fan and critical reviews far outweigh the very pushy minority here, who for the most part aren't listening to counterpoints when presented. Those who aren't willing to equally note the positives alongside the negatives aren't my definition of a good fan, that's for sure. It's to the point with me that certain posts I automatically skip, if you can't say something positive then state your peace and step off the soapbox instead of boring me half to death.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @DRESSED_TO_KILL, you don't go to Bond films to have fun? That's upsetting; I do! I've had fun with every Bond film I've viewed, in cinemas or not. I could put all of your complaints to sleep, but I won't waste my time; you've had an alternate profile before, and knowing you on both, you won't come to any resolution or agreement - you'll continue to argue.

    But, one thing that irks me: why is Silva flying in with the music blaring 'made for little kids'? Bond himself states that Silva likes to make an entrance, and that's what he does: he's so over the top about everything, and he wants his revenge the way he wants it. Silva could have EASILY pulled what Bond did and just broke in to M's flat and waited for her. But, he spent years concocting a well laid out plan, just to have her in one location that he could kill her in. It didn't work, so he went to attack where he thought he would have the advantage. He wanted what he wanted, and it apparently wasn't the easy way to achieve his revenge.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited November 2012 Posts: 24,183
    Zekidk wrote:
    You are missing the point. I don't mind reuse or the franchise being inspired from other movies. But in SF it was just too much. It lacked original ideas. Pure and simple!

    Funny how people scream bloody murder because SF does so many things that makes it not feel like a Bond movie... Looks to me like it's quite original al right.
    Zekidk wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    To summarize: this movie sucked and is nowhere near the quality of casino royale.

    the filmmakers decided to do something that hadn't been done before.
    Like what?

    What I saw was a lot of reuse from other movies. There's the fight on top of the train (Octopussy), there's the list of agents (Mission Impossible), there's the flawed "hero" who hits rock bottom and then ressurects to save the day (Batman), there's the cyberattack (Die Hard 4), there's the former disgruntled employee who wants to get back at his boss/country (Goldeneye), there's the fistfight againt a blue background (Moonraker), there's the fight where some creepy animal deals with our hero's foe (Star Wars), there's the Silence of the Lambs cage where the villain is being detained, there's the remotely located house where our hero is holding up against incoming bad guys (Straw Dogs) using homemade traps (Home Alone), there's our hero standing on the rooftop looking over the city he is guarding (Batman again)

    AMEN ! I could not agree more. Thank god theres a few others around here with a brain that isn't dumb downed .

    I'd say it takes a pretty dumbed down (I think is the expression) mind to start quoting Home Alone as a possible source of inspiration...

    Let's see. Since we (DRESSED_TO_KILL and I) both love CR, I don't feel guilty to set that film as an example.

    Airport mayhem: Die Hard 2
    Black-and-white in modern film: Schindler's List
    Another lead coming out of the water as a big moment: DAD
    Car driving by night in Miami: Miami Vice (or many other Michael Mann films)
    There's the young 'hero' who proves to be too reckless and emotional: Se7en
    The bad guy takes money from someone and wants to make a profit on that: TLD
    A black man wields a sword: The Mummy Returns
    A fight in a house that gets flooded: Hard Rain
    Our hero has come for a loose end (Mr. Whyte): Blade II
    The hero's boss disapproves of his conduct: Dirty Harry
    The hero is talking in a cell phone while chasing someone: 24
    ...

    Face it: it's but a matter of trying hard enough and we can all get there.
  • DRESSED_TO_KILLDRESSED_TO_KILL Suspended
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    Getafix wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Also, plot is one thing but there's so much more about a Bond film to be considered before taking out the trash. I guess when one is planning to bash a film, one will desperately seek stuff, no matter how inconsequential, to drive the point home.

    THIS!!! also very true...we can do this with every film, if we so wish. Its easy actually. Give me a 100% reviewed masterpiece and I can rip it to pieces.

    Trust me, I don't want to be such a 'jerk' when commenting. ;-) Whenever someone bashes a film, I go through a short mental exercise in which I try to figure out whether they a) seriously mean what they say or b) simply try to swim against the current for isn't that ultimately the cool thing to do? Some folks want to be part of the YES!-hype and stop thinking for themselves. Others, however, long to be part of the anti-hype and often think too hard or in the wrong places. I don't like either of both.

    When criticism comes with too many micro-details extrapolated as if they were the work of the Devil, I will labour hard to expose the critic as someone who knew before watching the film that he would be calling BS on the project.


    I also thought it was absurd when Silva was blasting music from his helicopter on the way to bonds house. I felt like that scene was made for little kids, how cheesy and out of place that scene was.

    Fans of Apocalypse Now will eat those comments for breakfast.
    I'm really disappointed in Daniel Craig and EON for butchering skyfall.

    Over 500 million dollars in under 3 weeks disproves the part where you say 'butchering'.
    The whole movie was just a cliched action movie with a dumb downed plot to appease the mass culture of dumb downed people who can no longer follow a intricate well written story.

    Cliched? I thought you had problems with the fact that Silva is a baddie unlike any one baddie we've ever seen before. I'm confused.
    Casino Royale was great because it relied on story and good writing. It didn't need silly villains or over the top action.

    Can't disagree, although there's more about CR that makes it such an awesome Bond film I'd say.
    I almost walked out of skyfall after I saw Bond hiding in the aston Martin using the machine guns to take out the usual cliched henchman. Seriously that was such a retarded scene, whoever thought of that scene has no artistic value or originality in then at all.

    Yet you complain about the Bond girl dying so fast so you do want them to simply retrace the same stuff we've seen 22 times already? Also, since it worked in GF, why can't it work now? You don't want Bond to go Rambo, you don't want him to use his wits like McGyver and you don't want this? Is there anything Bond can do to satisfy you? Seems to me that however he chooses to take out baddies, you'll just hate it.
    Skyfall was just a big money maker for Barbara Brocolli.

    A bit naive or hypocritical to claim that film producers shouldn't be in pursuit of our money, wouldn't you agree?
    Ian Fleming intended Bond to be a realistic man, a hitman at its purest root who has a license to kill , not a super hero . I feel like EON is making bond into a super hero.

    Funny comment. It seems to me that you prefer those other Bond films, where Bond simply hovers over each fight scene like it's nothing. The CR Bond who jumped off cranes and single handedly shoots up an entire embassy isn't exactly modest or even realistic either, is he? By the way, you'd be surprised how unrealistic Fleming's Bond could be. (This isn't me complaining about Fleming, by the way.)
    Its a disgrace to see how poorly written Skyfall was. Casino Royale was realistic and showed how bond was vulnerable but a killer at the same time. I can go on and on but it amazes me how many people are praising skyfall.

    Uh, between you and me, Bond did get shot, he did fail his tests and whatnot. I don't know how much more vulnerable you can make him without downright killing him.



    Without wishing to spark a rerun of last week's fist fight on here, you are being slightly patronising.

    I think as Bond fans you have to give the guys on here the credit of actually wanting to see a good Bomd movie that they enjoy. I personally didn't wait 6 years after LTK or four years after QoS in the hope that I was going to fimd the next film a total disappointment. Neither am I (self evidently) making myself part of some cool crowd by voicing my criticisms of SF. It is too much to ask that you accept that there are some people on here who genuinely think SF is actually not very good? Not because it doesn't have death spewing lasers or enough cheesy one liners, but because we've seen enough good films in our time to make our own judgement, and because in our view, this is actually one of the worst and least convincingly plotted Bond films in the series?

    I'm not trying to kick anything off here. It's just that it would be nice if some mutual respect was shown and criticism wasn't treaded as a sign of mental retardation or trolling.

    I could not agree more, you took the words right out of my mouth @getafix. you just totally owned dimi
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 3,276
    @DarthDimi
    You still didn't answer my question. And really, I think you just gave some poor examples. How can you compare an example like this:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Car driving by night in Miami: Miami Vice (or many other Michael Mann films)
    ...to my examples? Yes, in CR you have a car driving in Miami like in many other movies, but that's not ripping anything off or copying. Many scenes in SF look like they were directly inserted from other movies. If Nolan for example hadn't made the Batman-trilogy, we would probably never have had the rooftop-scene in SF.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Getafix wrote:
    Without wishing to spark a rerun of last week's fist fight on here, you are being slightly patronising.

    I think as Bond fans you have to give the guys on here the credit of actually wanting to see a good Bomd movie that they enjoy. I personally didn't wait 6 years after LTK or four years after QoS in the hope that I was going to fimd the next film a total disappointment. Neither am I (self evidently) making myself part of some cool crowd by voicing my criticisms of SF. It is too much to ask that you accept that there are some people on here who genuinely think SF is actually not very good? Not because it doesn't have death spewing lasers or enough cheesy one liners, but because we've seen enough good films in our time to make our own judgement, and because in our view, this is actually one of the worst and least convincingly plotted Bond films in the series?

    I'm not trying to kick anything off here. It's just that it would be nice if some mutual respect was shown and criticism wasn't treaded as a sign of mental retardation or trolling.

    I could not agree more, you took the words right out of my mouth @getafix. you just totally owned dimi

    Actually he doesn't. You see, I have no problem with people disliking SF. I do, however, have a problem with people who are trying to prove that SF is a most terrible film by throwing up the most ridiculous arguments like how P&W went to Home Alone for inspiration or who spin things around in a most creative manner in order to fit their pallet of issues with the film like how Silva's obsession with getting even with M is a poor case of mommy issues for a grown up man.

    Funny to mock the death spewing lasers of old and then call a film that has nothing of that the worst plotted one in the series...

    Mutual respect is no problem as far as I'm concerned. However, I seem to read a lot of 'dumb' and whatnot about SF and its fans...

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited November 2012 Posts: 24,183
    Zekidk wrote:
    @DarthDimi
    You still didn't answer my question. And really, I think you just gave some poor examples. How can you compare an example like this:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Car driving by night in Miami: Miami Vice (or many other Michael Mann films)
    ...to my examples? Yes, in CR you have a car driving in Miami like in many other movies, but that's not ripping anything off or copying. Many scenes in SF look like they were directly inserted from other movies.

    Come on. You gave me this:

    there's the fight where some creepy animal deals with our hero's foe (Star Wars)

    Similarly far-fetched, no?

    Also, which question? I seem to have missed something.

    EDIT

    I see. Like what 'other stuff' they tried to bring in?

    Fine, let's start with the fact that our baddie isn't about making money or imperialism or even anarchy. This one tries to get even, nothing more. That's a first.

    No Bond girl, either damsel in distress or 'Bond's equal' we need to drag along towards the end. There's an implied sex scene at one point and that's all we get in this film. I don't mind. It certainly is a first.

    Bond's never been so active on British soil. I love the London mayhem! Finally we get some domestic trouble for a sufficiently long time.

    Bond fails the tests. He's not that perfect superagent any more. He needs to slowly recorver. I recall some comments about vulnerability?

    Q, MP and (the male) M get a story for once, rather than being mere superficial characters which allow some boxes on the Bond Formula checklist to be ticked off. I'm not saying they had tremendous weight, but we learned some things about them that qualify as previously undiscovered territory, no?

    We actually dig into Bond's past with more tangential elements (house, graves, ...). Never seen before. By the way, to prove I'm not a SF slave I would like to add I don't want them ever to go that far anymore.
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    Zekidk wrote:
    @DarthDimi
    You still didn't answer my question. And really, I think you just gave some poor examples. How can you compare an example like this:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Car driving by night in Miami: Miami Vice (or many other Michael Mann films)
    ...to my examples? Yes, in CR you have a car driving in Miami like in many other movies, but that's not ripping anything off or copying. Many scenes in SF look like they were directly inserted from other movies.

    Come on. You gave me this:

    there's the fight where some creepy animal deals with our hero's foe (Star Wars)

    Similarly far-fetched, no?

    Also, which question? I seem to have missed something.
    You wrote: "the filmmakers decided to do something that hadn't been done before."
    I asked: Like what?

    And actually - the first thing on my mind in the komodo-dragon scene was "Rangor" ;-)
    The first thing on my mind when Bond drove to the Body Worlds excibition in Miami from the airport was certainly not "Miami Vice" or "Scarface" for the matter.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited November 2012 Posts: 24,183
    Zekidk wrote:
    You wrote: "the filmmakers decided to do something that hadn't been done before."
    I asked: Like what?

    Forgive me. It had escaped my notice. Please read my edit of the post above. :-)

  • Errrmahgerrrrddd why would anyone watch SkyFall when they could watch any other movie ever made since it copied off of all of them!!!!

    Whatever- can't wait to see that damn movie again! Can't stop thinking about it! 8-}
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited November 2012 Posts: 24,183
    Errrmahgerrrrddd why would anyone watch SkyFall when they could watch any other movie ever made since it copied off of all of them!!!!

    Whatever- can't wait to see that damn movie again! Can't stop thinking about it! 8-}

    Same here. I've seen it three times already and I want to get back at it. ;-)

    I think we need to understand that Bond influenced a lot of franchises in the past, which in turn started influencing Bond. I don't mind them coming full circle. It happens. After 5 decades and 23 films (25 if you count very liberally ;-)) which franchise wouldn't suffer from a little been-there-seen-it-all dust? :)

    I will admit that there are obvious elements in SF which could be spotted as having been inspired by existing films. But let us be honest about some things. Silva gets kept in a cage, for example. Silence Of The Lambs does spring to mind, I agree. But X-Men 2 did something similar and even Resident Evil 4 does it. No doubt more obscure and lesser known films have gotten away with it as well. In one film someone draws a gun. Next thing you know, a hundred films show characters that draw guns. And very soon it's become an acceptable something. If you steel, and you steel from the best, and you use it to serve your story, what's the harm done? I mean, it's not like we get the classical music from Silence or a line about paintings...

    Furthermore, Silva's caught. They need to detain him and talk to him. Any other way we can think of would have been used before too. Just a prison cell? Been there. A prison cell in a moving vehicle? Been there. Strapped on a table? Been there. Crucified? Been there. Interrogation room with semitransparent mirror? Been there. Surely there are other ways still, but I can't think of any of them that wouldn't be prone to comments of plagiarism if so desired by the commentators. And now they went with a more dramatic option. And it so happens they tie many of us back to a film from the early 90s (which, by the way, won't be the case with every boy and girl of under 25, mind). They could have, perhaps, gone for something less conspicuous but I doubt they could have gone for something completely original. Look, we're talking to a villain who's detained. To be fair, the fact that we have this opportunity, to talk to an imprisoned villain a Bond film, is fairly original. Only Sanchez springs to mind.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 3,276
    DarthDimi wrote:
    EDIT

    I see. Like what 'other stuff' they tried to bring in?

    Fine, let's start with the fact that our baddie isn't about making money or imperialism or even anarchy. This one tries to get even, nothing more. That's a first.
    A villain who attacks MI6 is certainly not a first. His personal vendetta against M is, however. Low-key. Scaramanga comes into mind, though, although it was Bond he was after. For Bond 24 I don't want low-key. I'd rather have a fun OTT adventureish trillride.
    DarthDimi wrote:
    No Bond girl, either damsel in distress or 'Bond's equal' we need to drag along towards the end.
    The "damsel in distress" in SF was M ;-)
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Bond's never been so active on British soil. I love the London mayhem! Finally we get some domestic trouble for a sufficiently long time.
    I was really looking forward to this when I learned the fact that almost half the movie would take place in London. Sadly most of the scenes were shot in Pinewood.
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Q, MP and (the male) M get a story for once
    Q getting a story? I must have missed that. What did we learn?
    And M getting a story is not really a first. She already had to much of a "story" in TWINE, IMO. I like for M to be the boss who gives orders and sends Bond on a mission. Nothing more.
    DarthDimi wrote:
    We actually dig into Bond's past with more tangential elements (house, graves, ...). Never seen before. By the way, to prove I'm not a SF slave I would like to add I don't want them ever to go that far anymore.
    Subtlety should never be replaced with heavy-handed sentimentality, IMO. It almost - just almost - did, in the Scotland-scenes.
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    Just got back from 2nd viewing. I loved it the first time but my word, this is seriously a great film the 2nd time (seeing it for a 3rd time on Tuesday). Went with a friend who was familiar with Bond and was a fan, and I also went with someone who had never seen a Bond film in their life. Both loved it. Now the friend who had never seen one before was a little lost on the big reactions to Moneypenny and a few other things but still thought it was a hell of a film. Can't wait to see it again
  • Guys, if you're going to respond to a long post, do you REALLY need to block-quote the whole thing, just to add a couple of sentences at the bottom? Kinda annoying.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    GMSkarka wrote:
    Guys, if you're going to respond to a long post, do you REALLY need to block-quote the whole thing, just to add a couple of sentences at the bottom? Kinda annoying.

    A simple @ followed by the username would suffice, but it always happens in arguments, it appears.
  • Here are my thoughts after seeing 'Skyfall' three times over opening weekend here in the US:

    It's instantly in my top 3 Bond films behind FRWL and CR.

    Daniel Craig has also reached the same level as Sean Connery as far as my favorite Bond actors go. Craig delivers so many different emotions and has a much wider range than any of the previous 007s. He's able to hit the one-liners in stride and also shed a tear when it's called for.

    Javier Bardem makes a fantastic villain, and his portrayal of Silva is also one of the best in franchise history. His words and actions make audiences laugh and squirm at the same time, which is a good thing.

    And then there's Dame Judi Dench, who gets plenty of screen time and makes the best use of it. While I tend to dislike having M get out from behind the desk, her eventual outside-the-office adventures in 'Skyfall' serve a purpose and Dench plays it beautifully.

    The callbacks to Bond history were done well, in my opinion. The use of the DB5 in 'Skyfall' made for the biggest laughs each time I watched it, and the return of Q and Moneypenny offer the perfect mix of tradition and modern influences.

    The film, as many have already said, is beautifully shot. Roger Deakins worked his magic and some of the visuals are stunning. The fight scene between Bond and Patrice in the bathed-in-blue skyscraper stands out to me.

    It's hard for me to find faults in 'Skyfall'. I suppose Severine could have been used more, and how Bond recovered from his wounds in the PTS is left for us to decipher, but this is one of the most complete Bond movies ever.

    With the final moments of the film again blending tradition with the contemporary, 'Skyfall' tips a cap to 50 years of history, while keeping a steady eye on continuing Bond into the next half century.
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    Just saw the movie in America. Simply one of the best Bond movies. Classic opening sequence and song. As we have heard, they have taken a different approach, almost a reboot, but everything is familiar at the same time. They have taken Bond to another level and set up the next decade. Fantastic script and acting. To me, it was like reading a great suspense/thriller novel. The word play on gadgets in the movie was terrific. Just a few things for the next one if anyone is listening.Rebuild and bring back the Aston Martin DB5 with 007 options, I already miss it. A few more gadgets, not many, but just a couple with some byplay between Q and 007.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 572
    Let’s start with the opening scene. Someone steals a list of secret agents from a computer in a hotel room.
    ...
    ...
    ...
    To summarize: this movie sucked and is nowhere near the quality of casino royale.
    Is this guy for real?

    If this is truly how you feel, @DRESSED_TO_KILL , how can you possibly like any, and I mean ANY, of the Bond films? They are riddled with minute plot loopholes...even Casino Royale.

    I can understand some criticisms like the CGI, music, what have you, but this is going overboard. For example, I find it really hard to legitimize saying that they're copying Home Alone just because Bond boobietrapped the house? Really? That is the argument? For the record, Home Alone is not the only film to feature someone boobietrapping a room/house/whatever. Maybe I could agree with you if the motives were the same, but this is completely a different situation in Skyfall than it is in Home Alone. Context matters.

    You could argue that everything else has been done before no matter what movie you're talking about. Just because there was a fight on top of a train already doesn't make it suddenly un-original. I thought the backhoe, VW beetles, the fact that Eve was chasing them (not on railroad tracks) were all nice touches that separate it from anything that was done before in a Bond film. I think there needs to be a lot more similarities other than "a train rooftop sequence" to accuse the moviemakers of copying anything. By that logic, there was a casino scene in Skyfall. Well, guess what, there's a casino scene in nearly every Bond film. I guess they just stole the scene from one of the other films...
  • DRESSED_TO_KILLDRESSED_TO_KILL Suspended
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    you couldn't pay me to see skyfall again. I almost walked out on it. Am I the only one who thought Silva was a complete joke? the way he looked was just stupid. He looked like an Austin Powers character. Why couldn't they have just kept Bardem looking normal ? the whole plot was sloppy , unrealistic and overall done poorly. I mean come on a ex-mi6 agent getting revenge on an old lady? yeah thats really original ....no not really. I felt like the whole movie was dumb-downed for the mass herd of lazy Americans and Europeans who can't follow a good realistic well written story. Instead of a well crafted film with realism and depth, I was forced to watch James Bond the super hero of London chase down some bisexual flamboyant comedy act you all call Silva running around the city freely just killing people and blowing shit up . I mean come on this movie made me feel like a idiot, I was embarrassed to even be in the theater to be subjected to such a poorly written mainstream piece of thrash action movie with no real depth or story at all. I feel like the writers just said to themselves, "YEP COME ON GUYS LETS JUST SHOVE SOME BIG ACTION SCENES AND A CLICHE'D REVENGE STORY DOWN THE SLAVES THROATS AND THEY'LL LOVE IT!".

    I hope to see a good realistic espionage movie one day that artistically and realistically portrays the life of a field agent, because after seeing skyfall, my hopes for a casino royale 2.0 are all gone.

    Another thing in skyfall that literally made me laugh (and for all the wrong reasons ) was when Bond is just casually standing next to Silva outside on his island (a villain with a private island...wow thats real original ! not really) and is wearing sunglasses. I mean come on now, Bond wearing shades making jokes about a wasted cup of scotch while a woman is dying ?? who wrote this shit? I'm really disapointed in Daniel Craig for accepting the direction of this mainstream dumb downed politically correct thrash called skyfall and have lost respect for daniel.
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    I want to apologize for being so crude, but there's a fine line between making a thoughtful argument and spewing one's hatred for something. You're entitled to your opinion, but don't expect many here to sympathize for you.

    And for the record, Silva is a sociopath. He's not meant to be logical. He wants his revenge. To me, the mindset is like that of one of those who did the Columbine shootings or the Batman shooting. It's revenge against society because of their own selfish twisted reasons. In this case, Silva is trying to right the "wrongs" done against him.

    @DRESSED_TO_KILL , I'd like to see what your idea of an original Bond film is.
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    Look many of us love this film. But some people probably hyped it up so much after 4 long years it could never live up to such high expectations.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    you couldn't pay me to see skyfall again. I almost walked out on it. Am I the only one who thought Silva was a complete joke? the way he looked was just stupid. He looked like an Austin Powers character. Why couldn't they have just kept Bardem looking normal ? the whole plot was sloppy , unrealistic and overall done poorly. I mean come on a ex-mi6 agent getting revenge on an old lady? yeah thats really original ....no not really. I felt like the whole movie was dumb-downed for the mass herd of lazy Americans and Europeans who can't follow a good realistic well written story. Instead of a well crafted film with realism and depth, I was forced to watch James Bond the super hero of London chase down some bisexual flamboyant comedy act you all call Silva running around the city freely just killing people and blowing shit up . I mean come on this movie made me feel like a idiot, I was embarrassed to even be in the theater to be subjected to such a poorly written mainstream piece of thrash action movie with no real depth or story at all. I feel like the writers just said to themselves, "YEP COME ON GUYS LETS JUST SHOVE SOME BIG ACTION SCENES AND A CLICHE'D REVENGE STORY DOWN THE SLAVES THROATS AND THEY'LL LOVE IT!".

    I hope to see a good realistic espionage movie one day that artistically and realistically portrays the life of a field agent, because after seeing skyfall, my hopes for a casino royale 2.0 are all gone.

    Another thing in skyfall that literally made me laugh (and for all the wrong reasons ) was when Bond is just casually standing next to Silva outside on his island (a villain with a private island...wow thats real original ! not really) and is wearing sunglasses. I mean come on now, Bond wearing shades making jokes about a wasted cup of scotch while a woman is dying ?? who wrote this shit? I'm really disapointed in Daniel Craig for accepting the direction of this mainstream dumb downed politically correct thrash called skyfall and have lost respect for daniel.

    @DRESSED_TO_KILL (or let's be honest), @TouchMyButtons, I love how you have some illusion that SF and CR are completely separate. CR has some completely over the top moments, as does Skyfall. Though Skyfall has more, they are present in full in CR. You can have your little pout sessions all you want, but there has and never will be an original film in any genre. Every director/producer/crew has an inspiration they bring into their film, and there is nothing you can do about it. And you know, I see deaths every day on the TV, from shootings to car bombs. I watch people my age throwing their lives away and am surrounded by ignorant texting teenagers. Day in, day out I wonder what damage my generation will do in the future and look cynically at my own life and wonder what the hell I will do with my life, and I am completely lost. And yet, just knowing that you are miserable brings a smile to my face. Thank you for that.
  • DRESSED_TO_KILLDRESSED_TO_KILL Suspended
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    My idea of an original Bond film is Casino Royale, Dr.No and FRWL. Those in my opinion are the 3 best bonds , why? because they followed a story and kept Flemings formula in tune. All of you can have skyfall, I don't even consider that thrash a bond movie. Haha I almost spilled my popcorn while I was watching bond shoot bad guys with his dads hunting rifle, that might have been the stupidest idea ever. I also felt like the inclusion of Bonds past was poorly executed, and rushed in purely for the purpose of the anniversary.

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    Why? Why the hell were there so many retarded nods to the past bond films? for christ sake . EVERYTHING OR NOTHING the documentary of Bond was made to talk about bonds past history . So why did they include past homage in the movie? I was expecting a fresh movie with new innovation, not stupid silly little kiddy teenybopper scenes of Bond hiding in the DB5 shooting guys with his cars machine guns. dear god skyfall was a joke. I'm gona go watch CR and forget skyfall was ever made
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    My idea of an original Bond film is Casino Royale, Dr.No and FRWL. Those in my opinion are the 3 best bonds , why? because they followed a story and kept Flemings formula in tune. All of you can have skyfall, I don't even consider that thrash a bond movie. Haha I almost spilled my popcorn while I was watching bond shoot bad guys with his dads hunting rifle, that might have been the stupidest idea ever. I also felt like the inclusion of Bonds past was poorly executed, and rushed in purely for the purpose of the anniversary.

    FINAL NOTE-
    Why? Why the hell were there so many retarded nods to the past bond films? for christ sake . EVERYTHING OR NOTHING the documentary of Bond was made to talk about bonds past history . So why did they include past homage in the movie? I was expecting a fresh movie with new innovation, not stupid silly little kiddy teenybopper scenes of Bond hiding in the DB5 shooting guys with his cars machine guns. dear god skyfall was a joke. I'm gona go watch CR and forget skyfall was ever made

    This coming from the person who said Bond 24 was going to be called. "Wave-Link." :-))
  • DRESSED_TO_KILLDRESSED_TO_KILL Suspended
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    Besides the beginning PTS in Casino Royale where Bond chases the black guy (Mollaka)
    And the collapse of the Venice building, I really cant name any other scenes that seem too unrealistic to me. CR was more serious and didn't have Daniel Craig making stupid ass little jokes and quips every 10 minutes. It showed the ruthlessness of modern day terrorism and my god the torture scene was just executed so wonderfully. IT FOLLOWED FLEMINGS FORMULA. and thats why it blows skyfall away.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    The very idea of calling CR, DN and FRWL original is a joke. They are all based on previous work and pull from a number of films/novels for inspiration. But I have never been surprised by your naiveté before, and now isn't a time to start.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Besides the beginning PTS in Casino Royale where Bond chases the black guy (Mollaka)
    And the collapse of the Venice building, I really cant name any other ones that seem too unrealistic to me. CR was more serious and didn't have Daniel Craig making stupid ass little jokes and quips every 10 minutes. It showed the ruthlessness of modern day terrorism and my god the torture scene was just executed so wonderfully. IT FOLLOWED FLEMINGS FORMULA. and thats why it blows skyfall away.

    *Bond flipping his car over and over and over and over and over and over and over and barely getting hurt
    *The entire Miami airport sequence
    *The embassy shoot out

    Basically most of the action outside of the card game. And CR had plenty of hilarious quips straight from Bond, who is a grade A smart a@# in the film 24/7. I love CR, but even I can see the holes in your argument. @TouchMyButtons, Hopefully EON can rock your world with WAVE LINK 2014. I know it. I just do.
  • DRESSED_TO_KILLDRESSED_TO_KILL Suspended
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    Mainstream Culture has you by the balls...my advice, smoke some weed. It will tear the barriers of your small minded corporate molded mind that has evolved to what it is now due to excessive TV watching and you'll maybe start to see how corporations look at us purely as Cows and dollar signs. EON doesn't make bond movies for true bond fans anymore, they make them to appease to the mass generation of slobs who can no longer think on their own. I call this the "call of duty generation". Kids and people today just buy into anything they're told too. There is no creativity anymore in mainstream culture. Thankgod for the internet and independent artists.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Mainstream Culture has you by the balls...my advice, smoke some weed. It will tear the barriers of your small minded corporate molded mind that has evolved to what it is now due to excessive TV watching and you'll maybe start to see how corporations look at us purely as Cows and dollar signs. EON doesn't make bond movies for true bond fans anymore, they make them to appease to the mass generation of slobs who can no longer think on their own. I call this the "call of duty generation". Kids and people today just buy into anything they're told too. There is no creativity anymore in mainstream culture. Thankgod for the internet and independent artists.

    Buzz off troll.
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