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Lighten up, Francis.
Why should I? And I'm a woman, not a man. Nor is my name Francis.
Yeah indeed. Why would you in these dark Bond times?
http://www.boxoffice.com/latest-news/2012-11-30-skyfall-tops-the-bourne-ultimatum-as-biggest-domestic-spy-flick-ever
Man, I knew I should have read the T&C's. You crafty lot.
I wondered this. What would he have done and how would he have gone about protecting the service and 'M'. Would he have bothered? Would it have shown an even greater loyalty to 'M' to protect her while off the active duty list? The plot determines 'M's belief in him is so unwavering that she'd fudge his test scores. It could have been fun if Mallory had realised, not let it happen and then have Bond working in the shadows of MI6 with only 'M' and 'Q' aware of his presence.
I am sure, he will appreciate, that you ridicule his post. :D
What is settled? Both are equally great separate franchises. There is no win or lose here.
Oh no you di'int?! Security we have a breach in sector 7, a code nine violation. That's right, he dared argue that things ain't so black and white with @Germanlady.
I think, its a nice touch though after all the flag Bond got for "copying" Bourne and since Bourne is the american spy, its a great Bond managed FINALLY to win the Americans over.
It is but maybe it belongs in the B.O. thread as that's what it is.
In The Shadows
I think it inprove on the to short scene from QOS. Stil i expext there wil follow discussions of the editing of it. Then i mean ''we can't follow the action'' and ''breath'' talk. The opening be one i close easier say that i like to see then there did with Casino Royale or Die Another Day. To much of it be spoild already and this made it have less effect then it can have. Before i don't expect this scene at the start but more closer to the end with over the top action, good that don't happen.
Where we have seen that before. Goldeneye, Bond is back. Whyle we mis the barrel i like Freeze moment, Thomas Newman give a nice introducing audio. What we get is a good opening scene and in this moment i like the ''Bond Girl'' we see. We not realy get a introduction from her only thing we know is that she work now for Mi6.
Maintitle:
The maintitle i also have mixed feelings about it, not when i saw it but when the movie finished.
When i saw it feels as alternate world include Live and Death. Like the mirrors, what confused me at the end is that again it be preview on things stil to come in another movie, what i found very intresting from QOS. With the heart i must think about Death runs through my heart. See Casino Royale: You Know My Name lyric: The coldest blood runs through my veins.
From the 6 maintitles of Kleinman and also from the 7 in totaly since Goldeneye at this moment i mabey wil rank it 6th or 7th place, in other words in considerration to like it a bit more or less then the one from Tomorrow Never Dies. It wil not top Twine and Goldeneye.
Adele I like her song more as song and liked the song more before i saw it in the movie.
The Cinematopgrahpy and Production design.
This be in QOS on a very good level and dificult to beat. The Cinematopgrahpy before i expect some simalar to Casino Royale. Whyle CR be by times to agression with the colors and feels as agression version of Twine and in
specialy with the airport scene it be over the top. Good this don't happend but Skyfall in my opnion it look like there doing a step back from the TMND/Twine cinematopgraphy also. Again i partly thanks to be spoild before, but i also think that in case the breath moments coming around the corner again. In the opening of the movie i think oke we
don't know where we are til the flags, but i missing more introductions/breath moments later in the movie. Some scene's look so short for my feeling. Production Design: Dennis Gassner return. By far it not look like on Quantum Of Solace. I wish there did more with Macau and Silvia island. In general i get with some scene's a TMND/Twine feeling but no so good as in those movies. Exept the end who finaly after al those years a very good.There realy fool me with that Metro what not be a Metro but elevator but also in this scene's include the purple road i missing a bit of better looking cinematopgraphy and then also the scene with Moontaker remember be nice but i expect Bond trow him (Til i saw the movie it be mystery who the man be, where he be and one of the less not spoild things. I always keep
in mind the man who falls mabey be Bond him self or some henchman.) to the window.
But the end inprove on Die Another Day, the cinematopgrahy there is much better. Mabey in have been a litle inprovement if there mabey with the scene in the house be a litle bit of cold cinematopgraphy and mabey Robert Elswit have been a better choose for other parts of the movie.
To be continued
Looks like someone is looking for a temporary ban on this forum...... :-\"
Maybe, but it must be devastating news for the anti-SF gang on this thread, that's for sure...
I'm sure Benny understands a joke when he sees one. Unlike you and the good German lady. Some discussion about Skyfall would be good. You're like pair of St. John's ambulance workers at the moment, unable to really bring anything of real value to the table.
What do we think of the Tanner's role in SF?
I liked Tanner's role in SF. I thought he was much better than his outing in QoS.
I don't know if this is directed at me but assume there's a subtle prod. I'd hazard a guess that I've spent more on SF than you and your mate combined, so I refute any accusations that I would be anything other than delighted for SF to do well at the B.O. It can only be good for 24.
As for your nemeses @Getafix and @Zekidk, I'm sure they couldn't really care less about B.O. and I'm with them on that. It's great if it does well but what does it actually say or prove? That's it's a success, yes. Other than that? Nothing. But then if my opinion was held up on the basis of reviews by other individuals and B.O. stats I'd argue that's a house of cards waiting to fall.
I think what winds them up, although they may correct me, is that when someone such as @Germanlady posts a B.O. tally as an argument for SF being good it holds no real weight. As we all know, film criticism is subjective and as such nothing of interest can be gleaned from figures. Especially when the person on the other side of the argument has well reasoned insights. It's far more insightful to read a genuine set of opinions, built on a knowledge and thorough understanding of James Bond than using figures. By this theory One Direction are the best band in the world at the moment.
If you want to win an argument you have to fight fire with fire. Those two have solid reasons for disliking this film, which whether right or wrong are truly considered and thoroughly explained. Throwing a B.O. figure at them is like throwing a fox to the hounds. You guys need to up your game.
Yeah, why was that?
IMO I think we should see a bit more of him. I think Rory Kinnear is a great actor but I actually thought he was a tad underused in SF. This is partly because of Q, in QoS it probably would have been Tanner taking on the Q-like responsibilities. I actually wonder if we'll see him in 24 now that we have both Q and Moneypenny to accommodate. It's a shame because on the evidence of SF, I'm not that fussed about Harris so I hope they have the balls to keep her role to a minimum and give Tanner some decent dialogue with M or for that matter Q. I very much enjoyed the (albeit small) scene where Mallory walks in on them leaving the breadcrumbs.
I was confused when I read the link, I thought "hadn't it topped it already?" but then I found out it means in America. Meh.
Well, I wouldn't say equally great ;) The Bourne films are badass though.
Bond beating Bourne at the box office in America doesn't mean QOS wasn't (at times) a poor Bourne rip off imo. How had Bond not won Americans over before? I can't be arsed to check but I'm almost 100% sure, adjusted obviously, TB made more than SF over there.
Fair point. This is why I'm wondering if they'll ditch him in 24. It's a shame as he is a fantastic actor.
I don't think they'll ditch him, they kept the old Tanner and Robinson on for ages after all. He'll probably be back, he just won't have much to do again. I'd expect to see him handing files to Fiennes' M and maybe getting the old line of dialouge here and there.
I think Kinnear has been pretty dedicated. He did QOS, then he did all the video games released during the gap and stayed on for SF. I reckon he's a Bond fan and he enjoys it.
I think this is what I am starting to find tiring with the anti SF gang. Someone mentioned it earlier here that those who like the movie mostly just tend to say they enjoyed it, and may comment on one or two scenes which stood out for them, Craig's performance overall, etc. No need for deep anaylsis there. Just that they liked the movie a lot.
Whereas the anti SF crew are questioning every single thing to the bitter death, from what underwear Kincaide may or may not be wearing, to whether they all managed to go the loo at Skyfall lodge, otherwise the entire plot falls spectacularly apart. It's all the deep interrogation and probing of the anti SF gang, needling and prodding every time someone here says they enjoy the film. `But why?' `How could you find the plot makes any sense', etc.
They cannot accept that SF is a big hit globally, commercially, critically, and a big hit here too, so they are lashing out at any given opportunity. This is what is becoming tiring, and why most members on this thread cannot be bothered with the Zekidk & Getafix Show anymore.
I just mentioned that I prefered Tanner in SF to his performance in QoS, and just knew it would immediately be flagged up with a `yeah, why was that?' line. Well done for proving my point. If I got the impression you were asking out of curiosity, then I would be prepared to answer, and the whole point of a forum is to debate such subjects, but other than yourself and the other 2, no one else can be bothered arguing the toss about SF anymore. You guys have killed the subject, kicked it to death to the point no one hardly visits this thread anymore.
I cannot be bothered explaining why I like any elements of SF with you and the motley crew anymore, and I'm pretty sure others on here feel the same way too.....
I have explained myself here too on why I like the film. The very fact that you are using `fighting fire with fire' and `upping your game' speaks volumes, and again proves why everyone here is sick to death of the anti SF gang.
Although I don't think the "Bond is injured but gets back in there anyway" is really different as TWINE did the same thing, except he had a much cooler way of getting cleared for duty. SF Bond just had M lie about his tests, TWINE Bond had to shag the doctor.
@RC7, @Getafix and @Zedidk are the only people who discuss the negative stuff in the film.
Without them it would just me "this was awesome!!!" "I agree", wash rinse and repeat. And to be honest I think that would get really boring.
I like discussing the film with people who think differently to me, and this thread is for good and bad opinions. There's a thread for happy SF viewers somewhere, just go and bump that if you want everyone to agree with you.
I'm just amazed anyone in their right mind would want to continue debating a subject that has been flogged to the absolute death......
Thanks @thelivingroyale you're the voice of reason on most threads.
Well if I wanted someone to say 'He was better in QoS' I could have asked the man on the street rather than someone who comes to a James Bond forum.
Do you mean SF in general or the plot holes?
If you mean SF in general, it would've been done to death anyway except with positive comments.
If you mean the plot holes, @doubleoego posted a detailed post on the last page about Bond being more confident, @RC7 tried to start a discussion about Tanner and you could always bring up something to discuss.
You know what then mate, avoid the thread. I tried to start a conversation about Tanner which you spun into an argument yet again because you think I have some ulterior motive. If you want to make statements rather than discuss go start a blog or something.
This thread was supposed to be about reviews. I would have expected a few comments afterwards from both pro and anti regarding certain reviews, but the way this has panned out from the Three Amigos, I'm getting the impression you are no longer here just to pass the odd comment, but you are here purely to bully off anyone who dares to say they do like SF.
So I will remain on this thread to `fight fire with fire.' We can all play at this game.....