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F*cking hell this is a thread on a fansite about discussing a film and it sounds like you're gearing up for a war or something.
@Germanlady Like I said, if people want a discussion where everybody thinks the film is great there's a thread for happy viewers somewhere.
Again, we're talking about a film. It's only a film.
I've been trying to get everybody to calm down and steer the discussion back to SF but that doesn't seem to be working.
@RC7 Was asking people what they thought of Tanner. Let's talk about that. Or @doubleoego was talking about how Bond was more confident, we could discuss that if you like.
Stop throwing your accusations at me and discuss the film. You and @Germanlady are pissed off because you don't like people bringing up issues with the film that may effect your wonderful Utopia. Guess what, that's life. Are you both seriously implying that 3 people who've raised issues with the film have scared off the entire population of the forum? If that's the case maybe they need to contemplate the courage of their convictions. I for one have not dismissed any 'opinion' about SF. I've debated and raised questions.
and yes @thelivingroyale let's talk...
But you'd love that wouldn't you. There was a thread for discussing the negative aspects of SF but it was shut because you had to derail it. You just couldn't handle it being there. If you spent as much time sharing your opinions as you do trying to oppress others, this thread would be fine.
Now, what do you think of Tanner in SF?
Read my post. I tried to steer the thread back to SF discussion. And instead of answering me with what you thought, you demand the thread gets closed because 3 people don't like the film?
@RC7 Thank you. I agree with @doubleoego, I think Craig was much more subtle and confident in this one.
Like I said before, the Casino stuff and Silvas island was imo his finest hour as Bond, he was just as cool as any of the others. The way he cracked one liners and expertly dealt with baddies, the way he was a scotch expert, all felt like the old Bond. And I loved his chat with Berenice at the bar.
Your question regarding Tanner was a very fair one, and on another day, on another thread, I would have replied again with more to add on why I prefered Tanner in SF to QoS, but right now, here in this war zone battleground thread, I don't have the patience anymore.
I agree with this. I've read that some people hated his 'cuff' moment on the train. Personally I loved it and thought it was a great ambiguous nod to the icon of the past. I think it also helped that it accentuated his fall from grace, so to speak, after the credits. He was clearly the self-assured agent of old in the PTS and spent most of the film getting back to that level. That said, he was exceptionally confident in the Casino scenes, the toasting of Severine's minders was great and the way he keeps his cool while at Silva's island is something I don't think we've really seen thus far in the Craig era.
Oh and I did enjoy the shot of him at the airport in hat and glasses. It could have been cheesy but it did make me chuckle, in a good way.
Definetly. The cuff moment felt very Brosnan to me, it reminded me of the tie straightening in the GE tank chase.
I think him being the old Bond instead of rookie Bond is the main reason that made me think it was Craigs best film.
He's the old Bond in the beginning, but after he got shot he lost his mojo, and he spends lots of the film trying to get it back.
The PTS feels like it's old Bond, going to save the day again but then M f*cks up and orders the shot. I liked that.
In the last two, it's been Bond f*cking up because he was a rookie but this time it was M, you get the idea Bond could've got the job done as usual if it wasn't for her.
I haven't read TMWTGG but I've started reading YOLT recently and I think it feels similar. The Bond at the start of YOLT, who has lost his mojo because Tracy died, feels a bit like the one we get in SF after the PTS up until Shanghai, except in SF he's lost his mojo because Eve shot him.
It would be interesting seeing Blofeld ressurected, including a volcano lair, but again done with the Nolan concept in mind, turning an outlandish situation and putting it into a sense of reality. I can seriously see this being the way forward for Bond 24, including a few more reality based gadgets.
I think the volcano lair would be a step to far, but I think the idea of the outlandish, larger than life people and circumstances in a grounded world is the way to go. In order to be successful they need to be able to merge that with the increased depth and quality of writing and acting. I imagine Bond 24 being something like OHMSS (albeit without the falling in love aspect because it's too soon for that).
I agree with you, but I'd say think of a different evil lair to a volcanoe. I think they need to really move forward now. Bond 24 needs new gadgets and a new car too.
I would love to see a reimagined Blofeld.
Yeah, I can see this too. I was hoping that the Craig films would have a decent arc across the 5 of them. If I'm honest I think this went a little bit awry in SF but definitely not enough to stop them persisting. With the new 'M' they can change the dynamics and change gear again. I think, like you say, the Nolan model is one that can be exploited to good effect. There will be a fine line but I think they could do it, as long as they don't sacrifice the character development. It needs a belting script from Logan. Let's hope he reads a lot of Fleming, as we know, it's all there.
Maybe not a volcano lair as such, but some kind of huge Ken Adam inspired villains lair, built at Pinewood of course....
Maybe have a Japanese castle ala YOLT? It sounds fairly basic but with the right set design I reckon it could look brilliant, they can keep the Garden Of Death from the book and if it still doesn't feel big enough, they could add an underground bit or something.
I ordered TMWTGG online the other day so I'll have it ready for when I finish YOLT. It seems like lots of people on this site think it's really good so I'm looking forward to it.
I'm hoping Logan goes back to the Fleming novels, not just for inspiration like they did with SF, but also to nick scenes, moments, characters, etc. This is the one thing Maibaum was particularly good at, especially during the 80's, from FYEO right the way through to LTK. There is still plenty of unused material - MR, DAF, TSWLM, YOLT and TMWTGG has lots of potential to be tapped in to.
It feels like arguing with those who refuse to see the effects of man-made climate change. Doesn't matter what you come out with, you're just deemed 'negative'. It doesn't see fit to respond to rational argument.
Salient points are rebutted with: 'Look at the grosses! You're in a minority, therefore you're in the wrong!' I mean, come off it. Even the naysayers are part of the gross, we went to see it, we paid our money.
Personally I don't think there's much to choose between Die Another Day and Skyfall anyway. Why should there be? Same producers, same writers. Bond gets or feels betrayed by M in early scenes, feels the same really, with pretentious handling. In this case I think it's Silva who gets traded, rather than Bond. The daft plotholes that littered DAD are in SF too. Bond slowing his heartbeat to a stop is about as daft as Bond taking a sniper's bullet and falling 20 ft or so to his death and surviving with no mention of how he got rid of the bullett, same rubbish as far as I'm concerned, same lack of intelligence - though no jawdroppingly awful standout moment like the CGI surf scene, admittedly.