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  • Posts: 6,601
    @RC7, @Getafix and @Zedidk are the only people who discuss the negative stuff in the film.

    Without them it would just me "this was awesome!!!" "I agree", wash rinse and repeat. And to be honest I think that would get really boring.


    Maybe for you, but why do you think, this thread is more or less deserted? People are fed up to their *** with the constant and pointless moaning about every aspect of the film and its proved by the ridiculous argument, that everything, that made SF a worldwide hit, which means mostly word of mouth, proves absolutely nothing. There couldn't be any argument being more stupid and desperate.

    Why can't they just give it a rest, so that people, who would like to discuss the positive aspects, like Nic has asked, without knowing, that their post will be ripped to pieces.

    They have derailed this thread with their continuous bashing and hence, its dead in the water. Its respectless to people, who would like to spend their time and energy with something positive. They just don't stop.
  • edited December 2012 Posts: 3,327
    RC7 wrote:

    You know what then mate, avoid the thread. I tried to start a conversation about Tanner which you spun into an argument yet again because you think I have some ulterior motive. If you want to make statements rather than discuss go start a blog or something.
    I'm pretty sure all 3 of you do have an alterior motive on here. It is becoming glaringly obvious to everyone on this forum....

  • edited December 2012 Posts: 12,837
    So I will remain on this thread to `fight fire with fire.' We can all play at this game.....

    F*cking hell this is a thread on a fansite about discussing a film and it sounds like you're gearing up for a war or something.

    @Germanlady Like I said, if people want a discussion where everybody thinks the film is great there's a thread for happy viewers somewhere.
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    F*cking hell this is a thread on a fansite about discussing a film and it sounds like you're gearing up for a war or something.
    And we all know who started it.....

  • Posts: 6,601
    Discussion has long ago stopped. I don't call THIS discussion, I call it a 3 people show, who don't allow a normal way of talking about aspects anymore and I think, you see it, too.

  • F*cking hell this is a thread on a fansite about discussing a film and it sounds like you're gearing up for a war or something.
    And we all know who started it.....

    Again, we're talking about a film. It's only a film.

    I've been trying to get everybody to calm down and steer the discussion back to SF but that doesn't seem to be working.

    @RC7 Was asking people what they thought of Tanner. Let's talk about that. Or @doubleoego was talking about how Bond was more confident, we could discuss that if you like.
  • RC7RC7
    edited December 2012 Posts: 10,512
    RC7 wrote:

    You know what then mate, avoid the thread. I tried to start a conversation about Tanner which you spun into an argument yet again because you think I have some ulterior motive. If you want to make statements rather than discuss go start a blog or something.
    I'm pretty sure all 3 of you do have an alterior motive on here. It is becoming glaringly obvious to everyone on this forum....

    Stop throwing your accusations at me and discuss the film. You and @Germanlady are pissed off because you don't like people bringing up issues with the film that may effect your wonderful Utopia. Guess what, that's life. Are you both seriously implying that 3 people who've raised issues with the film have scared off the entire population of the forum? If that's the case maybe they need to contemplate the courage of their convictions. I for one have not dismissed any 'opinion' about SF. I've debated and raised questions.

    and yes @thelivingroyale let's talk...
  • Posts: 6,601
    This should be closed, as it has become absolutely meaningless or change the thread title, so nobody falls into this trap by accident.
  • RC7RC7
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    Germanlady wrote:
    This should be closed, as it has become absolutely meaningless or change the thread title, so nobody falls into this trap by accident.

    But you'd love that wouldn't you. There was a thread for discussing the negative aspects of SF but it was shut because you had to derail it. You just couldn't handle it being there. If you spent as much time sharing your opinions as you do trying to oppress others, this thread would be fine.

    Now, what do you think of Tanner in SF?
  • edited December 2012 Posts: 12,837
    Germanlady wrote:
    This should be closed, as it has become absolutely meaningless or change the thread title, so nobody falls into this trap by accident.

    Read my post. I tried to steer the thread back to SF discussion. And instead of answering me with what you thought, you demand the thread gets closed because 3 people don't like the film?

    @RC7 Thank you. I agree with @doubleoego, I think Craig was much more subtle and confident in this one.

    Like I said before, the Casino stuff and Silvas island was imo his finest hour as Bond, he was just as cool as any of the others. The way he cracked one liners and expertly dealt with baddies, the way he was a scotch expert, all felt like the old Bond. And I loved his chat with Berenice at the bar.
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    RC7, we all know, whatever happens in this forum has absoluteloy NO meaning whatsoever on the film or other peoples opinions. What I dislike is, that you guys jump on every word, some else mutters and turn it into something negative. And you DO that. Constantly - and then try to dress it up as opinion and "I am just discussing a film" THIS is, what seriously pisses me and all the others, who are not here anymore, off.
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    RC7 wrote:
    Stop throwing your accusations at me and discuss the film. You and @Germanlady are pissed off because you don't like people bringing up issues with the film that may effect your wonderful Utopia. Guess what, that's life. Are you both seriously implying that 3 people who've raised issues with the film have scared off the entire population of the forum? If that's the case maybe they need to contemplate the courage of their convictions.
    You've not `scared people off' as more likely bored people to tears. And I think enough members here have more than enough `courage of their convictions' to put their viewpoint forward. It's just that once it happens, rather than moving on to another subject, the same old broken record from the anti gang rears its ugly head again, usually around the subject of plot holes.

    Your question regarding Tanner was a very fair one, and on another day, on another thread, I would have replied again with more to add on why I prefered Tanner in SF to QoS, but right now, here in this war zone battleground thread, I don't have the patience anymore.
  • RC7RC7
    edited December 2012 Posts: 10,512
    @doubleoego was talking about how Bond was more confident, we could discuss that if you like.

    I agree with this. I've read that some people hated his 'cuff' moment on the train. Personally I loved it and thought it was a great ambiguous nod to the icon of the past. I think it also helped that it accentuated his fall from grace, so to speak, after the credits. He was clearly the self-assured agent of old in the PTS and spent most of the film getting back to that level. That said, he was exceptionally confident in the Casino scenes, the toasting of Severine's minders was great and the way he keeps his cool while at Silva's island is something I don't think we've really seen thus far in the Craig era.

    Oh and I did enjoy the shot of him at the airport in hat and glasses. It could have been cheesy but it did make me chuckle, in a good way.
  • RC7 wrote:
    @doubleoego was talking about how Bond was more confident, we could discuss that if you like.

    I agree with this. I've read that some people hated his 'cuff' moment on the train. Personally I loved it and thought it was a great ambiguous nod to the icon of the past. I think it also helped that it accentuated his fall from grace, so to speak, after the credits. He was clearly the self-assured agent of old in the PTS and spent most of the film getting back to that level. That said, he was exceptionally confident in the Casino scenes, the toasting of Severine's minders was great and the way he keeps his cool while at Silva's island is something I don't think we've really seen thus far in the Craig era.

    Definetly. The cuff moment felt very Brosnan to me, it reminded me of the tie straightening in the GE tank chase.

    I think him being the old Bond instead of rookie Bond is the main reason that made me think it was Craigs best film.
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    RC7 wrote:
    @doubleoego was talking about how Bond was more confident, we could discuss that if you like.

    I agree with this. I've read that some people hated his 'cuff' moment on the train. Personally I loved it and thought it was a great ambiguous nod to the icon of the past. I think it also helped that it accentuated his fall from grace, so to speak, after the credits. He was clearly the self-assured agent of old in the PTS and spent most of the film getting back to that level.
    Interesting point that. I never saw the PTS entirely that way, but now you mentioned it that probably was what Mendes had in mind with this scene. The PTS was Bond of old, including the cufflink adjusting moment.

  • edited December 2012 Posts: 12,837
    I think that was sort of the point of SF.

    He's the old Bond in the beginning, but after he got shot he lost his mojo, and he spends lots of the film trying to get it back.
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    I think that was sort of the point of SF.

    He's the old Bond in the beginning, but after he got shot he lost his mojo, and he spends lots of the film trying to get it back.
    Yes, in many ways it is very similar to TMWTGG novel. But I think the PTS was a good way of symbolising old Bond, including the cuff link moment, which I never really gave much thought to until now.

  • RC7RC7
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    They definitely did a good job of showing his maturity from CR and QoS. I don't think the Bond in those two films would have had the icy cool that he seemed to embody once they got to Skyfall. He seemed almost blase in a way that distanced him from the loose canon he was in QoS.
  • I think that was sort of the point of SF.

    He's the old Bond in the beginning, but after he got shot he lost his mojo, and he spends lots of the film trying to get it back.
    Yes, in many ways it is very similar to TMWTGG novel. But I think the PTS was a good way of symbolising old Bond, including the cuff link moment, which I never really gave much thought to until now.

    The PTS feels like it's old Bond, going to save the day again but then M f*cks up and orders the shot. I liked that.

    In the last two, it's been Bond f*cking up because he was a rookie but this time it was M, you get the idea Bond could've got the job done as usual if it wasn't for her.

    I haven't read TMWTGG but I've started reading YOLT recently and I think it feels similar. The Bond at the start of YOLT, who has lost his mojo because Tracy died, feels a bit like the one we get in SF after the PTS up until Shanghai, except in SF he's lost his mojo because Eve shot him.
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    RC7 wrote:
    They definitely did a good job of showing his maturity from CR and QoS. I don't think the Bond in those two films would have had the icy cool that he seemed to embody once they got to Skyfall. He seemed almost blase in a way that distanced him from the loose canon he was in QoS.
    Which makes me think Bond 24 may be Craig's YOLT/MR movie, done in a more realistic tone. It would be interesting if they took the same approach Nolan did with Batman - take a crazy villain like The Joker, but put him in the context of a grounded sense of reality.

    It would be interesting seeing Blofeld ressurected, including a volcano lair, but again done with the Nolan concept in mind, turning an outlandish situation and putting it into a sense of reality. I can seriously see this being the way forward for Bond 24, including a few more reality based gadgets.
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    I think that was sort of the point of SF.

    He's the old Bond in the beginning, but after he got shot he lost his mojo, and he spends lots of the film trying to get it back.
    Yes, in many ways it is very similar to TMWTGG novel. But I think the PTS was a good way of symbolising old Bond, including the cuff link moment, which I never really gave much thought to until now.

    The PTS feels like it's old Bond, going to save the day again but then M f*cks up and orders the shot. I liked that.

    In the last two, it's been Bond f*cking up because he was a rookie but this time it was M, you get the idea Bond could've got the job done as usual if it wasn't for her.

    I haven't read TMWTGG but I've started reading YOLT recently and I think it feels similar. The Bond at the start of YOLT, who has lost his mojo because Tracy died, feels a bit like the one we get in SF after the PTS up until Shanghai, except in SF he's lost his mojo because Eve shot him.
    You should definitely read TMWTGG once you've finished reading YOLT. Firstly they continue directly on from one another, and secondly you'll find a lot of the influences of SF in Fleming's last novel. I personally think its one of his best.

  • RC7 wrote:
    They definitely did a good job of showing his maturity from CR and QoS. I don't think the Bond in those two films would have had the icy cool that he seemed to embody once they got to Skyfall. He seemed almost blase in a way that distanced him from the loose canon he was in QoS.
    Which makes me think Bond 24 may be Craig's YOLT/MR movie, done in a more realistic tone. It would be interesting if they took the same approach Nolan did with Batman - take a crazy villain like The Joker, but put him in the context of a grounded sense of reality.

    It would be interesting seeing Blofeld ressurected, including a volcano lair, but again done with the Nolan concept in mind, turning an outlandish situation and putting it into a sense of reality. I can seriously see this being the way forward for Bond 24, including a few more reality based gadgets.

    I think the volcano lair would be a step to far, but I think the idea of the outlandish, larger than life people and circumstances in a grounded world is the way to go. In order to be successful they need to be able to merge that with the increased depth and quality of writing and acting. I imagine Bond 24 being something like OHMSS (albeit without the falling in love aspect because it's too soon for that).
  • I'm going to read TMWTGG after, don't worry. I was going to read TMWTGG but I decided I wanted to read the Blofeld trilogy first. Out of all the Bond books I've read TB is my favourite.
    RC7 wrote:
    They definitely did a good job of showing his maturity from CR and QoS. I don't think the Bond in those two films would have had the icy cool that he seemed to embody once they got to Skyfall. He seemed almost blase in a way that distanced him from the loose canon he was in QoS.
    Which makes me think Bond 24 may be Craig's YOLT/MR movie, done in a more realistic tone. It would be interesting if they took the same approach Nolan did with Batman - take a crazy villain like The Joker, but put him in the context of a grounded sense of reality.

    It would be interesting seeing Blofeld ressurected, including a volcano lair, but again done with the Nolan concept in mind, turning an outlandish situation and putting it into a sense of reality. I can seriously see this being the way forward for Bond 24, including a few more reality based gadgets.

    I agree with you, but I'd say think of a different evil lair to a volcanoe. I think they need to really move forward now. Bond 24 needs new gadgets and a new car too.

    I would love to see a reimagined Blofeld.

  • RC7RC7
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    RC7 wrote:
    They definitely did a good job of showing his maturity from CR and QoS. I don't think the Bond in those two films would have had the icy cool that he seemed to embody once they got to Skyfall. He seemed almost blase in a way that distanced him from the loose canon he was in QoS.
    Which makes me think Bond 24 may be Craig's YOLT/MR movie, done in a more realistic tone. It would be interesting if they took the same approach Nolan did with Batman - take a crazy villain like The Joker, but put him in the context of a grounded sense of reality.

    It would be interesting seeing Blofeld ressurected, including a volcano lair, but again done with the Nolan concept in mind, turning an outlandish situation and putting it into a sense of reality. I can seriously see this being the way forward for Bond 24, including a few more reality based gadgets.

    Yeah, I can see this too. I was hoping that the Craig films would have a decent arc across the 5 of them. If I'm honest I think this went a little bit awry in SF but definitely not enough to stop them persisting. With the new 'M' they can change the dynamics and change gear again. I think, like you say, the Nolan model is one that can be exploited to good effect. There will be a fine line but I think they could do it, as long as they don't sacrifice the character development. It needs a belting script from Logan. Let's hope he reads a lot of Fleming, as we know, it's all there.
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    RC7 wrote:
    They definitely did a good job of showing his maturity from CR and QoS. I don't think the Bond in those two films would have had the icy cool that he seemed to embody once they got to Skyfall. He seemed almost blase in a way that distanced him from the loose canon he was in QoS.
    Which makes me think Bond 24 may be Craig's YOLT/MR movie, done in a more realistic tone. It would be interesting if they took the same approach Nolan did with Batman - take a crazy villain like The Joker, but put him in the context of a grounded sense of reality.

    It would be interesting seeing Blofeld ressurected, including a volcano lair, but again done with the Nolan concept in mind, turning an outlandish situation and putting it into a sense of reality. I can seriously see this being the way forward for Bond 24, including a few more reality based gadgets.

    I think the volcano lair would be a step to far, but I think the idea of the outlandish, larger than life people and circumstances in a grounded world is the way to go. In order to be successful they need to be able to merge that with the increased depth and quality of writing and acting. I imagine Bond 24 being something like OHMSS (albeit without the falling in love aspect because it's too soon for that).

    Maybe not a volcano lair as such, but some kind of huge Ken Adam inspired villains lair, built at Pinewood of course....
  • RC7RC7
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    @thelivingroyale definitely get on to TMWTGG after YOLT. I think the two of them are excellent, if a little bleak during the transition from one to the next.
  • edited December 2012 Posts: 12,837
    When SF was coming out there were rumours of a Scottish Castle being used as a villians lair.

    Maybe have a Japanese castle ala YOLT? It sounds fairly basic but with the right set design I reckon it could look brilliant, they can keep the Garden Of Death from the book and if it still doesn't feel big enough, they could add an underground bit or something.
    RC7 wrote:
    @thelivingroyale definitely get on to TMWTGG after YOLT. I think the two of them are excellent, if a little bleak during the transition from one to the next.

    I ordered TMWTGG online the other day so I'll have it ready for when I finish YOLT. It seems like lots of people on this site think it's really good so I'm looking forward to it.
  • It all comes down to the script, but with Daniel and his influence on the stories and direction of the films, I think they'll have a good grasp of where the line is and when they've come close to crossing it as far as going over the top and campness. I think Logan will really have to be bold as far as exploring new aspects of Bond character with out going too far or repeating what has been done since Casino Royale. It's a very fine line and I don't envy him one bit.
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    When SF was coming out there were rumours of a Scottish Castle being used as a villians lair.

    Maybe have a Japanese castle ala YOLT? It sounds fairly basic but with the right set design I reckon it could look brilliant, they can keep the Garden Of Death from the book and if it still doesn't feel big enough, they could add an underground bit or something.

    I'm hoping Logan goes back to the Fleming novels, not just for inspiration like they did with SF, but also to nick scenes, moments, characters, etc. This is the one thing Maibaum was particularly good at, especially during the 80's, from FYEO right the way through to LTK. There is still plenty of unused material - MR, DAF, TSWLM, YOLT and TMWTGG has lots of potential to be tapped in to.
  • I think a lot of the continued negativity on this thread comes from the fact that no one sees fit to address any of the negative points - and of course, the Disappointed in Skyfall thread got shut down, presumably because a whole load of Skyfall fans butted in with their objections, leading to arguments. So why not shut this thread down, following the same rationale?

    It feels like arguing with those who refuse to see the effects of man-made climate change. Doesn't matter what you come out with, you're just deemed 'negative'. It doesn't see fit to respond to rational argument.

    Salient points are rebutted with: 'Look at the grosses! You're in a minority, therefore you're in the wrong!' I mean, come off it. Even the naysayers are part of the gross, we went to see it, we paid our money.

    Personally I don't think there's much to choose between Die Another Day and Skyfall anyway. Why should there be? Same producers, same writers. Bond gets or feels betrayed by M in early scenes, feels the same really, with pretentious handling. In this case I think it's Silva who gets traded, rather than Bond. The daft plotholes that littered DAD are in SF too. Bond slowing his heartbeat to a stop is about as daft as Bond taking a sniper's bullet and falling 20 ft or so to his death and surviving with no mention of how he got rid of the bullett, same rubbish as far as I'm concerned, same lack of intelligence - though no jawdroppingly awful standout moment like the CGI surf scene, admittedly.
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