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Exactly like Severine, I suppose, excluding how close they were to one another.
Haha, yes. Terrible wording of mine ;)
haha very true :)
I guess it's all evolved so much and changed so many times, different people will enjoy different incarnations and variations more than others.
Then of course, some will get pulled into the fanbase from that variation as opposed to the one that pulled other people in! No wonder we have such a variation of opinion!
I jumped too, mate. I thought that after seeing Silva point and shoot Kincade would be shown in a close up with red bleeding through his shirt, but when it just hit the wall my heart went back inside my chest with no worries. #:-S
When you get round to watching the campy Moore films, you will see comparisons with Brosnan's interpretation of Bond, and when you finally get round to watching Dalton's films, you'll see comparisons with Craig's grittier Bond.
Apologies if a few of us lynched you on your first postings.....Bond is a sensitive subject around these parts. ;)
As for GE, I think its a very poor Bond film, but probably better than AVTAK, OP and the rest of Brosnan's other flicks.
Well apparently Fleming hated Dr No when he first saw it as legend goes (you must already know that)...and that film made his novel look more realistic in comparison.
However I agree that Fleming would like (or at least "appreciate") those other films. Never been too sure about what he'd think about LTK though - I think he would prefer CR.
Just curious, why don't you like OP?
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I always felt that with OP that the good outweighs the bad. The good being the jewel smuggling Hitchcock like plot, Maud Adams, Kamal Kahn, the India setting etc.
What I can say is that it just doesn't make me feel the way I felt as a kid watching the old classic Bonds. Okay, chalk it up to getting older maybe, but I can feel that way watching a film again: parts of Django Unchained, all of Kill Bil Vol 1, that kind of thing.
Did you have the same feeling with CR and QOS as you did with SF? At what point did you find the Bond films start to lose the feel of the classic ones? Curious, because a lot has changed in the past 20 years of the franchise, whereas in the first 25 years, a lot of the same principals were still involved throughout--namely Cubby Broccoli and Richard Maibaum.
Well SF has more humour than CR and QOS and maybe that is more "classical". But I think the real feeling of the "classic Bond" comes with the ending, the new characters and the location. It reestablish classic Bond... but as much as I like SF, it is not an average or classical Bond in my opinion. On the contrary it is an outlier (and a great one!)
There are elements in SF which are very classical, others not. It's what makes the film special. I'll be borrowing from my (original fan) mother's opinion when she saw the film and tried to make a review without spoiling it to me "it's both old and new at the same time, but it's pure Bond".
A saliant point, and why they need to never have the bloody DB5 return, scrap the 60's nostalgia and kick on into the future. Nostalgia is the death knell of any franchise.
I mostly agree. I only like that stuff in dribs and drabs :)
Well, there's something true: the tension between old and new is not only an element in the story but also in the movie itself, making it hypertextual.
But SF is more than a mere repetitive Bond release. For example, I love that the villains attack Bond's lair instead of the opposite as in the previous movies. They turned upside down this classical element!
I know, weird hey? Can't believe one guy paid $350m for one ticket.
350 mil for one ticket? Damn i would expected a table infront of the screen with wine,caviar and 5 sexy girls with the movie
I agree, and feel that way about QOS as well. Both have their issues for me but in the end they get the job done and provide some memorable viewing.
I salute your Mom both as an original and as an observation. She raised you right, that's exactly what Skyfall is and one I dutifully observed, an engrossing and entertaining blend of old and new designed that way for the big anniversary. I still cringe when I think about the 40th, they got it right this time.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113189
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/goldeneye
It got good ratings on both IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes. 82% on Rotten Tomatoes which is only 10% lower than Skyfall and on IMDb it's only 0.7 lower than Skyfall.
Anyway erm, I've just been rewatching Skyfall with my sister and we're about 55 minutes in. Up until this point I really don't HATE it, I just find it a bit of a downer. Like, it's quite negative in general - rather morbid intro sequence, less impressive MI6 (I know it's the old one apparently, but still), no exciting gadgets from Q, Bond performing worse, constant little quips about Craig's age.
Other than that I have no major complaints at this point in the movie. I like the Shanghai style and action scenes.
I think the focus on China is interesting though given the current global political scene, seems strangely coincidental that this film has such a large portion of the storyline revolving around China.
That's about it for now, just wanted to share that! :)
If you're not even half way through, yet, it's not "the old" MI6.
The comments aren't about Craig's age, but Bond's. ;) They are hardly "constant", either. Mallory says "it's a young man's game", but immediately after it also mentions that Bond has been seriously injured, so the age isn't the only or even the main issue there. And... what else? If you're counting Q's comment about "the old war ship" as a comment on Bond, that would still total two comments. Where else does his age come up in dialogue? Eve's "old dog, new tricks"? And that's it I think.
Nice that you're finding something to enjoy a little, too, though. :)
I love Skyfall but I would have to agree with this
And "old dog, new tricks". That's 3... but 3 in only less than an hour and that's only the ones we can remember!
Yeah it's definitely interesting watching it again.
I agree too, although I'm not sure if it only felt strange to me because I had already heard that the only foreign location was Turkey before I saw the film. I didn't think the China bits were too bad but yeah they did feel a tad isolated.
I agree, but like I said many remarked that when they watched it, it felt like a classic Bond film, but it didn't really to me and I don't have any issue with that because I didn't necessarily want it to. It felt like a very contemporary, new Bond film which tipped it's hat to the past. I'm excited to see what they can produce in Bond 24 with their gazes fully shifted forward.
2 or 3 comments, and only Q's is a quip of sorts, but the interpretation of it is not even clear. In a 2 hour 24 min movie even 3 (if you count all of those) short comments is hardly constant, and only Mallory's is obvious in meaning - but age isn't his main point, either. Based on that data Bond's age wasn't made much of an issue and certainly wasn't commented upon constantly.
Yeah it's odd to me. I really thought Mendes was going to capture the 'feel' of the older films. Those large crowd scenes where Bond gets lost in a mass of party goers were such a staple of the Connery and Moore eras. It's one of the reasons I enjoy the opera scene in QoS - it captures a real location and a sense of Bond in the thick of real life events like the old films used to.
The references to the past in SF were so literal I was shocked - the DB5 and M's old office coming back at the end seemed like such dumb ways to hark back. Brosnan had done all that stuff so many times already it just felt totally unoriginal. I expected much more from Mendes.