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I miss John Glen now more than ever.
MI6 already suffered for M and who would stick a neck out for her when Silva is targeting her and her office, risking the lives of everyone employed by the intelligence service. In addition, her retirement was guaranteed and became a liability, so it was unlikely she would get any more support. M wanted to insure no more would die for her, so she got away from London with Bond and nobody else. Bond thought he was heading to a massive armory at Skyfall, but it was sold earlier on and he had to improvise. How is any of that stupid? It all makes perfect sense to me, but there I go thinking pragmatically again...
You want amazingly good writing- don't look to a Bond movie. This is fantasy, and it IS what the writers want it to be. Sometimes I cannot deal with the nonsense is all.
There hasn't been a truly sensible Bond release since From Russia With Love of all things if you look back. People today, don't want commonsense Bond, merely to be entertained and satisfied in their seats, even if it does reach proportions of absurdity, but hasn't it always been like that for as long as anyone can remember ?
Look at the freaking time. But that's basically it
Goodnight
Goodnight Goodnight, sleep well my dear.
No need to fear, James Bond is here..
The reason for the depressing tone is that much of the script is influenced by Fleming's last 2 novels, where 007 goes missing (presumed dead) then returns back to London, brainwashed to kill M. After that he attempts to regain his 00 status again.
If you ever get chance to read the novels I highly recommend them. They are far better than the films.
I really wish that had been used.
I was going to comment on that but you beat me to it. I think what SF did, although some people might not like it, was reset the franchise and build a better foundation for it. I think some people are focusing too much on Bond's age, but that is not in my opinion what's at stake in SF. He is an old fashioned weapon in a modern world, always has been and always will be. He is down for most of the film not because he is an old man (Faulks tried that in DMC with terrible results) but due to what happened to him. Still, in less than stellar physical conditions, he achieves what most wouldn't even dream of. By the end of the film he is again on top of his game, his age hasn't changed but he is fully recovered and with him MI6 and some (new) old faces.
In conclusion, SF is a metaphor for the franchise, which has been getting old not necessarily because of age but due to the multiple blows it suffered, but now after so many have declared the death of the Bond franchise it shows once again it's strength. The journey we are shown in SF is not only that of Bond, back from the grave, it's also of the Bond franchise!
Very true Sandy - although I think this factor will be lost on some of our members here who only look to Bond films for gadgets, action and silly humour.
Its now stronger then ever and the ending indicates a Bond on a mission film, were all the personal issues are behind him.
The Golgo movies share certain identifiable similarities but 100% similar, I think not.
When it comes to the Books it is a tie between FRWL (for the underlying idea) and LALD for the livelyness of its descriptions and even though Bond acts the whole Book like a complete moron. Regarding the Films i am torn between FRWL and OHMSS and the former only wins because there is no skirt wearing Bond in it.
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Not bad. But as a surface narrative, it's rubbish. Taking M to his old house, not phoning ahead, a load of old guns to take on a supervillain with the latest weaponry, and old fart who is bound to get in the way.
For the last time, it's how ma'am is pronounced!
Not saying they are really saying 'mum' - I am suggesting (though can't prove) that the actors are pronoucing it that way deliberately to suggest M is a mother figure. On and on it goes just before the MI6 attack scene.
No. They're pronouncing it as M'arm because that's how it's pronounced. It has nothing to do with M being a mother figure.
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You have some good thoughts @hoppimike. But one of the reasons you are getting so much flak is because you make statements like this when we all know you have yet to see the majority of the films. "felt more alive than in a very long time" is just not a statement you can make yet. But while I don't agree with your opinions on Skyfall, your making good contributions so keep it up
But they're not always pronoucing it 'M'arm', it often comes out as 'Mum'. Now normally I'd disregard that, but this being a rather pretentious flick, and all that guff about Silva and his 'mummy' schtick and Bond in tears at her death, with the tombstones of his parents needlessly witnessed, something tells me I'm not barking up the wrong tree here. And when it dawned on my early on I thought hmm, I think I can tell where this is going.
And Severine... she's a sex worker, so he jumps in her shower to what? Give her something new? That seemed even more wrong than the similar situation in TMWTGG, except that SHE came to HIM there. And both girls were shot dead!!!
In fact, a great deal seems to have been lifted from that film IMO.
It is indeed. Resurrection, and rebirth, very positive and life-affirming.
Bond gets basically everything AND the kitchen sink (well, a train) thrown at him, and to see him handle it is a pleasure to those who like the movie. Obviously those who see Bond's struggles in a negative light don't enjoy it, but the way I look at it, if everything was easy and went smoothly, and he didn't need to dig deep within himself, it would be less interesting. He's on top of his game in the beginning, and again at the end, but the journey in between is what makes it fascinating to me. He's not just going through the motions, nothing really affecting him. And so I care more about the character, and what happens to him in this movie... and the next... :)
Yes indeed, he has couple of locked threads to his name - 6 or 7?
Yeah, obviously. What kind of argument is that? Any gripe you have with a film ever is found in THE SCRIPT.
I know, I love the way all the nonsense with the plot in SF is explained away as if no one had actually thought about it - almost as if the events in the film were pre-existing facts that had to be worked around rather than what they are - the catastrophically inept blunderings of Mssrs Purvis and Wade.
At least we still have TLD... Sometimes I really try to believe that the DC era represents a return to form and then I watch a classic film like TLD and realise it's just not true. My main consellation is that the films are better than during the Brosnan era and DC is a decent Bond. I just really hope he gets a cracking script and direction for the next one.
I know, I love the way all the nonsense with the plot in SF is explained away as if no one had actually thought about it - almost as if the events in the film were pre-existing facts that had to be worked around rather than what they are - the catastrophically inept blunderings of Mssrs Purvis and Wade.
At least we still have TLD... Sometimes I really try to believe that the DC era represents a return to form and then I watch a classic film like TLD and realise it's just not true. My main consellation is that the films are better than during the Brosnan era and DC is a decent Bond. I just really hope he gets a cracking script and direction for the next one.