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He is in the minority but the box office isn't great evidence of that. Transformers is always at the top of the box office, people can't know what they think of the film until they go and see it.
Mmm, I personally wouldn't go that far, though I appreciate your points. We watched CR after SF and the difference was considerable. I am not implying that Craig looks "too old" or anything along those lines, by the way. I think he is still fit for Bond. I agree with my BF that he looks older than his real age and that he looks like he's 50 in this film. It does fit the storyline though.
No offense taken, Sandy :). And no I haven't watched all the films yet. I still have three Moores and two Connery's to go but I am getting there. I am not sure how this would affect SF's positioning in my rank though. I think SF is a good film and I like it, but doesn't really eclipse the ones I love.
Exactly. And if the box office is to be believed DAD was an excellent Bond movie as well...
What's your official position then, @Getafix? I haven't seen you post anything particularly negative or positive. Did you enjoy it?
No, he hated it, going as far as saying it ranks at the bottom of his list. I think he has lost all credibility on here now.
Ouch, okay. I wasn't expecting that!
Not to me he hasn't. I loved SF but he has made some good points about why he didn't like it. I don't agree with him but I don't think everyone has to agree on everything.
Well I like GE better than SF but I still really enjoyed it. Getafix hates Brosnan and his films anyway.
Not to me he hasn't. I loved SF but he has made some good points about why he didn't like it. I don't agree with him but I don't think everyone has to agree on everything.
I think, its more about the way he started his little debate. Had he been less over the top, people would have accepted his review. He certainly toned it down later on, but that doesn't mean anything, He just backed off a bit in order not to get into any big trouble.
In @Getafix's defence, I have witnessed such views on a different Bond forum as well, not just the much maligned The Guardian. So eventhough he is in a minority, he is not alone. In fact several other people use the same tag "underwhelmed".
See my above post.
My initial post was a sign of how massively disappointed I was. I might have toned down my criticisms, but they remain fundamentally the same. And yes, in case you hadn't realised, a lot of people find you and your posts highly aggressive.
Any way, what is your actual view on the film? Did you like it? A minute ago you were saying that most of my criticisms were valid. Now you're back trying to gouge my eyes out. Tell me, why is it okay for you to be constantly in a rage but if any one else expresses their view forcefully they're mince-meat?
And as usual I don't actually have any idea what you think as all I ever get from you is this stabbing pain in my shins from that knife cleverly concealed in your shoe...
What is this 'big trouble' you have in store any way? Are you and Red Grant gonna come over and smash my gaff up?
I was very, very disappointed. l liked DC in CR and QoS and I thought SF was going to be more narrative and character driven but I don't feel that it delivered. I think it is less than the sum of its parts.
I don't understand where people are actually supposed to discuss SF as opposed to posting lengthy 'reviews'. Any general SF discussion thread seems to get closed down.
Something tells me you will watch this film again then do a spectacular U turn from hating it, to the film suddenly ranking in your top 3. Your expectations second time round will be considerably lower, so you will suddenly see the film in all its true glory, and fnd the positives that almost everyone else saw first time round.
It's possible, but as GL stated in one of her more sober postings, a first impression of a film tends to last. I may well watch SF again and appreciate specific scenes and performances, but I doubt that my overall feeling towards the film will change much.
Of all the films since Dalton (end of the classic era, IMO), I've only really enjoyed QoS in the cinema. TND I thought was an improvement on GE and good in parts. CR I thought was good but overlong and despite a good performance from DC, not actually all that entertaining. I still feel the same way about all of them now. I rank SF below CR and QoS, and because I feel so let down by it I was saying I might even rank it below Brozza's films. That last bit, I'll grant you, may be going a tad too far.
Am probably seeing it again at the end of this week so who knows. Still top 10 (probably even top 5 material) though.
What changed? Just less impact second time around because you knew what was coming or anything specific?
Well I suppose it was just because I knew what was coming - and I'd only seen it a couple of days before. I wasn't picking away at the plot while I was watching it though.
The first time I watched it I deliberately avoided the reviews and still loved it. It wasn't a case of "following the crowd"
I know what its like to be in the minority on here @Getafix but sometimes it seems you look for things to dislike in these new films.
Incidently I was talking to a work colleague today about SF and he said (and I quote):
"Never thought I'd say this but he may be better than Connery".
I wouldn't go down THAT route, if I were you. Just saying...
I am taking your reviews of Skyfall seriously and am going back to the theater with a pensive mind for my second viewing...
I was just curious, where abouts in your ranking of 23 Bond films would you place Skyfall at the moment?
Agreed. A first viewing always sparks an entire set of thoughts and emotions for me, yet I need a second time at least to put things in the right perspective and organize my thoughts. Usually the second viewing, not the first, cements my overall mindset for a film. SF wasn't any different. After the first time I was blown away in a very good sense but my joys and thrills were chaotic. My second viewing of SF helped me to rationalize said joys and thrills. My third viewing was all about the sheer fun of it all with the comfort of my full knowledge of where the film would take me.
The problem is that this thread was indeed originally meant for serious reviews without debate and another thread should have been created in the SF section and in which the film could be discussed. However, as it turned out, this thread ended up being used for said discussions and, as a result, any thread created after this one was considered a duplicate thread and thus also closed. Trying to avoid a complicated mess, I therefore created another thread, also in this section, for the 'clean' reviews of SF. That way we can keep this thread alive.
I'd like to know whether he puts it above/below TND? @Getafix seems to quite like (is that the right word?) that one.
For me SF is far superior.
Right now all I know is that ranks quite low. It is not what I expected to be saying when I went in to see it but there was so much in the story that I found bad that I could not ignore it. The fact that M doesn't trust Bond AGAIN left me wanting her dead right from the start which made the final scenes something of a happy ending for me. I enjoyed TND more, that is true.
Perhaps it is unfair to do this but if you analyse almost any scene or sequence of events it makes absolutely no sense. The way characters act and behave does not have the ring of truth. I expected so much more. I am surprised it is being so uncritically received on here considering the drubbing QoS got for what was a far more coherent plot.