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School shooting in Indiana,USA - time to crackdown on guns ?
Listening to the news and it just came up. No links yet.
Apparently, a school of about 600 in Indiana (missed the name) and a kid possibly recently expelled? No word on injuries/casualties.
If this keeps happening in the USA then surely,someone,somewhere,must realise that access to guns is just going to keep this happening.
This wont be the only one this year,probably be about 2 more.
A child with a knife has to get close to you to attack you,it's hard to overpower someone with a gun just blasting away.
The loss of life would be considerably less.
Poor kids.
Apparently, a school of about 600 in Indiana (missed the name) and a kid possibly recently expelled? No word on injuries/casualties.
If this keeps happening in the USA then surely,someone,somewhere,must realise that access to guns is just going to keep this happening.
This wont be the only one this year,probably be about 2 more.
A child with a knife has to get close to you to attack you,it's hard to overpower someone with a gun just blasting away.
The loss of life would be considerably less.
Poor kids.
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When gun possession is legal and widespread, no wonder buying a gun on the streets is so easy for teens.
Education on the other hand is a very important point here. When I look around I don´t see real values being transmitted to kids, which naturally can lead to people not being aware of the importance of other people´s lives.
Also, how fast are you able to get through your security to get to the guns in the safe when someone has just broken in and is standing above you with a gun pointed at your face?
Why are there not dozens of articles about how someone protected his home and family BECAUSE he had a gun handy? Because it doesn't happen as much as you like to think it happens in order for you to feel safe because you have a gun.
Anyhow, without such training it´s not too difficult to hurt oneself or loved ones as easily as an intruder, no matter what weapon you carry. And if you know the right stuff you won´t need a gun to defend your family against a gun, at least not inside a house. The problem is, you never know how weird the person invading your home is. Sure you can try and offer him your money and a safe escape, but who says every burglar is merely out for that? I´m not suggesting to attack any invader, quite the opposite, in most cases the intruder might panic and run off if he hears noise from somewhere inside the home, or sees some light go on. But you might as well go out to take a leak at night, and there he is.
One thing in favor of guns is the psychological effect on most people. Most people, especially if they are under stress because they are in a place where they shouldn´t be, are more immediately afraid by looking inside the muzzle of a gun (if it´s big enough) than by the sight of a knife or a stick (again, a baseball bat will be more impressive than a wrench), regardless of the possibilities each weapon would offer. Although you could again argue that a gun is not always immediately visible if the place is not lighted well. A huge Bowie knife á la Crocodile Dundee might be easier visible to the intruder. It depends on the situation.
I do think that the weaponlobby in the US goes a bit overboard with claiming that having all weapons is a right. Some weapons have little to do with common sense anymore. If you feel insecure in your own house why isn't a handgun enough? I think the selling of weapons should be limited to small arms, and start forbidding assault-rifles. You don't need those for hunting, and if you do you should be arrested for being an idiot that endangeres people in the woods and prohibited hunting untill you can actually prove you can shoot. Making it a skill once more. :-))
It is no longer about education, that argument has long been passed. It has become more egotistical: people claim they have the right to bear arms. And that has shown itself in an excess of armssales.
And that seems to bite itself and of course the arms companies kinda like it a lot.
We see less of gun related crime in parts of the world where armssales are banned, yes there are situations but they are not a general thing happening.
When having swords were common loads of folks got hurt by them. These days there are few swords and less accidents with them. But the occasional moron.
It is not alone about education but also about the ability to obtain weaponary. IMHO
Why are there not dozens of articles about how someone protected his home and family BECAUSE he had a gun handy? Because it doesn't happen as much as you like to think it happens in order for you to feel safe because you have a gun.
http://gunowners.org/sk0802.htm
here's a law abiding citizen who is lucky to be alive and he could had defended himself better if he had a gun:
http://www.click2houston.com/newsarchive/27291122/detail.html
and in the last week, 2 separate incidents of homeowners who were able to defend themselves and their properties because they had access to a firearm:
http://www.click2houston.com/newsarchive/27306054/detail.html
http://www.click2houston.com/news/27333117/detail.html
I've been carrying a concealed handgun since 1984 and I have never shot anyone, never took my handgun out and brandished it against someone in anger, never shot myself in the foot, or had an accident with it, unlike this MORON:
http://www.click2houston.com/news/27342860/detail.html
In Texas, we have a concealed weapon permit law and a law that allows law abiding citizens to keep a handgun in a vehicle they have 100% control of; but still, people need to be responsible.
You should always carry a handgun in an approved holster instead of in your coat pocket like the idiot above
I know of no totalitarian dictator who supported the idea of gun rights for private individual everyday citizens in his nation but since I'm more concerned with finding the objective truth rather than winning an argument, I will be happy to learn otherwise if someone can point me to an objective example of that happening in history.
But first this... bahahaahahahahahahhaahah... for chrissakes.. did you READ those articles?
First:
This guy didn't have a gun and managed to save himself:
"He has a gun pointed at me, telling me to open the door and give him my money and my phone," Escobar said.
Escobar said he fought with the man and grabbed his gun.
(No mention that he used the gun - just that he disarmed the robber.)
This guy shot the robber who was LEAVING his house:
He grabbed his pistol and went to see who was in his house and said he called out twice and startled the burglar.
"While he was running I told him don't run, I'll shoot you," Webb said. "He started to go out that window and when he did I shot him."
Webb said the man was hit in the leg or the backside and fell back into the house.
That's when he said he dialed the sheriff's office.
(Clearly if someone is leaving your house they don't pose a danger to you.)
And once again, the gun came AFTER the robbers FLED:
Detectives said the men got into a brief struggle with the homeowner and then fled in a tan SUV.
The homeowner grabbed a gun, fired shots at the getaway vehicle and broke out one of its windows, police said.
Pathetic.
PS: that gunowners piece was interesting...
Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).6 And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high.
Which leads to this:
57% of felons polled agreed that "criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police.
Yea, no kidding.
Not sure it should be a good thing that citizens are killing people. Not all criminals should be given the death penalty and certainly none of them should be without a trial.