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  • GermanladyGermanlady
    edited April 2012 Posts: 6,601
    Where were all you guys, when he needed you? B-) Its like everbody and his dog comes to his defense as if it could save his butt after all these years.
    Its fine though, I would do the same for my favourite, but boy...
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Germanlady wrote:
    Where were all you guys, when he needed you? B-)

    We were always there. It's just Dalts walked away from the role...
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Lancaster007 wrote:
    Dalton. But I like DC. I remember coming back from seeing TLD in Plymouth and grinning on the drive home thinking 'we've got Bond back - at last'. For me he is the closest to Fleming's Bond. Just a shame he didn't make any more films…

    Bizarre - I also saw it in Plymouth. At the Drake, I seem to remember.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
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    Getafix wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    Where were all you guys, when he needed you? B-)

    We were always there. It's just Dalts walked away from the role...

    Oh please, its common knowledge, that they made him walk, because he wasn't popular.


  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited April 2012 Posts: 12,837
    Germanlady wrote:
    Where were all you guys, when he needed you? B-)

    I was 5 or 6 when TLD came out, and even though I liked James Bond (saw TLD at the cinema, didn't understand any of the story but I liked the action), I was more intrested in Ninja turtles and pretending to be an F1 driver. So I couldn't do much.
    Germanlady wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    Where were all you guys, when he needed you? B-)

    We were always there. It's just Dalts walked away from the role...

    Oh please, its common knowledge, that they made him walk, because he wasn't popular.


    No, they were nagging Cuby (who liked him), to fire him, and Dalton didn't think the series would last anyway so he walked.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    Where were all you guys, when he needed you? B-)

    I was 5 or 6, and even though I liked James Bond (saw TLD at the cinema, didn't understand any of the story but I liked the action), I was more intrested in Ninja turtles and pretending to be an F1 driver.

    LOL - my son used to be a turtle, too. So - be good, you are talking to a motherfigure here :D
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Germanlady wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    Where were all you guys, when he needed you? B-)

    We were always there. It's just Dalts walked away from the role...

    Oh please, its common knowledge, that they made him walk, because he wasn't popular.


    I'm not denying that you're right although I don't know the ins and outs of it.

    But when you say 'they', do you mean EON or the studio?
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited April 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Germanlady wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    Where were all you guys, when he needed you? B-)

    We were always there. It's just Dalts walked away from the role...

    Oh please, its common knowledge, that they made him walk, because he wasn't popular.


    Having seen Renny Harlin's comments on Dalton I can't help but wonder whether other directors (possibly even Martin Campbell??) said similar things and this forced them to reluctantly get rid of him. Tim did after all stay attached to Bond for several years before he parted ways. I don't know for certain of course but I can't help ponder.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited April 2012 Posts: 13,999
    If 'they' are the money men, then I agree. I don't think for one second that Cubby want to get rid of Dalton.

    And as for the other thing, well I was 2 and 4, so I wouldn't have been much help. ;)
  • GermanladyGermanlady
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    I would think, there are many money men attached to making a film on many different levels. So many want to have a piece of the cake and it all depends - mainly - on th lead actor. If he doesn't work out on all these levels - they are f*****.

    Babs might love DC to bits, but hadn't he worked out, she would have fired him or will - in the future. Its their job to do that in order to save the franchise.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited April 2012 Posts: 12,837
    Germanlady wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    Where were all you guys, when he needed you? B-)

    I was 5 or 6 when TLD came out, and even though I liked James Bond (saw TLD at the cinema, didn't understand any of the story but I liked the action), I was more intrested in Ninja turtles and pretending to be an F1 driver.

    LOL - my son used to be a turtle, too. So - be good, you are talking to a motherfigure here :D

    You're son had good taste :), the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were like the coolest thing ever when I was a little kid. "WHAT?!?!?! They are ninjas, turtles, and they live in the sewer eating pizza with a talking rat?!?!?! I want to be one!" Actually, I am now of to change my avatar to a ninja turtle.
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    If 'they' are the money men, then I agree. I don't think for one second that Cubby want to get rid of Dalton.

    And as for the other thing, well I was 2 and 4, so I wouldn't have been much help. ;)

    Yeah, Cuby wanted Dalton to play Bond for a while and liked him so I doubt he got him fired.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Another pretty good example of Craig having a bit more levity compared to Dalton was the "Stephanie Broadchest" remark in the car. It's a classic "Bond-esque" name that risks sounding silly. But Craig handles it well and demonstrates that "playful" manner.

    Could Dalton do the same thing? Err...I'm not sure :-?
  • GermanladyGermanlady
    Posts: 6,601
    thelivingroyale wrote:

    You're son had good taste :), the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were like the coolest thing ever when I was a little kid. "WHAT?!?!?! They are ninjas, turtles, and they live in the sewer eating pizza with a talking rat?!?!?! I want to be one!" Actually, I am now of to change my avatar to a ninja turtle.

    He even had a turtle costume. Soon afterwards he became Mick Dundee though...

    Oh, by the way, did I mention? Craig over Dalton :P
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Another pretty good example of Craig having a bit more levity compared to Dalton was the "Stephanie Broadchest" remark in the car. It's a classic "Bond-esque" name that risks sounding silly. But Craig handles it well and demonstrates that "playful" manner.

    Could Dalton do the same thing? Err...I'm not sure :-?

    Yes he could. He can do anything.
    Germanlady wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:

    You're son had good taste :), the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were like the coolest thing ever when I was a little kid. "WHAT?!?!?! They are ninjas, turtles, and they live in the sewer eating pizza with a talking rat?!?!?! I want to be one!" Actually, I am now of to change my avatar to a ninja turtle.

    He even had a turtle costume. Soon afterwards he became Mick Dundee though...

    Oh, by the way, did I mention? Craig over Dalton :P

    I had some toys but I never had a costume.

    Oh yeah, Dalton over Craig :P
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited April 2012 Posts: 13,999
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Another pretty good example of Craig having a bit more levity compared to Dalton was the "Stephanie Broadchest" remark in the car. It's a classic "Bond-esque" name that risks sounding silly. But Craig handles it well and demonstrates that "playful" manner

    Could Dalton do the same thing? Err...I'm not sure :-?

    I'm glad Dalton never had to say such a silly line. It sounds like it belonged in the Brosnan era.

  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Another pretty good example of Craig having a bit more levity compared to Dalton was the "Stephanie Broadchest" remark in the car. It's a classic "Bond-esque" name that risks sounding silly. But Craig handles it well and demonstrates that "playful" manner

    Could Dalton do the same thing? Err...I'm not sure :-?

    I'm glad Dalton never had to say such a silly line. It sounds like it belonged in the Brosnan era.

    Dalton did say one or two "sillier" lines.

    "We have nothing to declare"
    "He met his Waterloo"
    "He got the boot"
    "He looks like he came to a dead end"
  • GermanladyGermanlady
    Posts: 6,601
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Oh yeah, Dalton over Craig :P

    Too bad, they don't have siggies here. We could cement that there once and for all
    >:)
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited April 2012 Posts: 13,999
    BAIN123 wrote:
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Another pretty good example of Craig having a bit more levity compared to Dalton was the "Stephanie Broadchest" remark in the car. It's a classic "Bond-esque" name that risks sounding silly. But Craig handles it well and demonstrates that "playful" manner

    Could Dalton do the same thing? Err...I'm not sure :-?

    I'm glad Dalton never had to say such a silly line. It sounds like it belonged in the Brosnan era.

    Dalton did say one or two "sillier" lines.

    "We have nothing to declare"
    "He met his Waterloo"
    "He got the boot"
    "He looks like he came to a dead end"

    I liked those lines, especially the Waterloo line and Pushkin's reaction. They weren't laugh out loud (but they're not cringe inducing either), but they do bring a smile to my face.
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,710
    Germanlady wrote:
    Where were all you guys, when he needed you? B-) Its like everbody and his dog comes to his defense as if it could save his butt after all these years.
    Its fine though, I would do the same for my favourite, but boy...

    Well, these forums were a bit more...let´s say vacant, back in 87. No walls, no floors, ,,,, nothing at all, really.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    BAIN123 wrote:
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Another pretty good example of Craig having a bit more levity compared to Dalton was the "Stephanie Broadchest" remark in the car. It's a classic "Bond-esque" name that risks sounding silly. But Craig handles it well and demonstrates that "playful" manner

    Could Dalton do the same thing? Err...I'm not sure :-?

    I'm glad Dalton never had to say such a silly line. It sounds like it belonged in the Brosnan era.

    Dalton did say one or two "sillier" lines.

    "We have nothing to declare"
    "He met his Waterloo"
    "He got the boot"
    "He looks like he came to a dead end"

    Your hostility to the legend that is Dalts is only rivalled by my dislike of the Brozza!

    I really don't understand where you get this thing about him not being able to handle the one liners.

    I tell you one thing - Dalton's scripts were way ahead of pretty much anything we've had since, give or take a couple of the Bond-Vesper scenes in CR.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited April 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Your hostility to the legend that is Dalts is only rivalled by my dislike of the Brozza!

    I really don't understand where you get this thing about him not being able to handle the one liners.

    I tell you one thing - Dalton's scripts were way ahead of pretty much anything we've had since, give or take a couple of the Bond-Vesper scenes in CR.

    Well...he can't really. He's not that kind of actor. He's a thesp really. One liners are too good for him. I think there were times when he could do humour but not "one liners". If I hear a one-liner I want to at least smile. This is my face :| It doesn't fit him. He's not smarmy or cocky enough.

    I don't mean to sound hostile. I like Dalton and admire what he did but I just wonder if he was really all THAT great. If he was he'd have a better reception than he has. Yes he's a BIT more popular now but compared to Connery, Moore, Brosnan and Craig he's still behind.
  • UnivexUnivex
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    Say, Getafix, why the Brozza avatar then? Just curious of course. I do know you like the man in other productions beside Bond.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    Univex wrote:
    Say, Getafix, why the Brozza avatar then? Just curious of course. I do know you like the man in other productions beside Bond.

    It's meant to be ironic :p
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,710
    Yeah, that was my guess. Good show then.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
    edited April 2012 Posts: 6,601
    I think, this will go on and on and on, until we are all old and grey - or older and greyer :))
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited April 2012 Posts: 12,837
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Well...he can't really.

    Yeah he can.
    Germanlady wrote:
    I think, this will go on and on and on, until we are all old and grey - or older and greyer :))

    I WILL NEVER GIVE IN! \m/
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,710
    Or we surrender all to the fact that... DALTON RULES!!!
    Timothy-Dalton-in-tights.jpg
    Try getting Craig in that outfit and making it work. lol
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited April 2012 Posts: 11,425
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Well...he can't really.

    Yeah he can.
    Germanlady wrote:
    I think, this will go on and on and on, until we are all old and grey - or older and greyer :))

    I WILL NEVER GIVE IN! \m/

    Richard Maibaum wrote the screenplays for TLD and LTK - it shows.

    Basically LTK was the last Barry movie, the last Maibaum movie, the last proper Cubby movie, the last Glen movie. AND the last Dalts movie.

    No wonder they went off the tracks with GE.

  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,710
    Can I present one argument to play the devils advocate.
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    Daniel Craig wins...for now.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    I think one of the problems Dalts had/has is that he's a man of the stage NOT a man of the screen. Hell that flash Gordon image looks like it could have been taken from a play.
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