Timothy Dalton or Daniel Craig?

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    Germanlady wrote:
    2) he hardly got the hate like DC for being cast - so, this is no argument for his failure
    4) DC wasn't popular at all, because nobody knew him - no argument.
    3) Dunno about that
    1) True but the same gos for CR
    5) Don't know the competition CR has had

    DC's hate worked for him, as it got the film publicity and made people want to go and see it. With Dalton though, it wasn't that he didn't look the part, just that people wanted Brosnan. And there was alot of competition, more than CR. With CR more people liked the change of style, in Dalton's days people WANTED the Moore type films, for Bond anyway. With CR, after films like Bourne, people liked the more realistic ones.
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    Germanlady wrote:
    2) he hardly got the hate like DC for being cast - so, this is no argument for his failure
    4) DC wasn't popular at all, because nobody knew him - no argument.
    3) Dunno about that
    1) True but the same gos for CR
    5) Don't know the competition CR has had

    DC's hate worked for him, as it got the film publicity and made people want to go and see it. With Dalton though, it wasn't that he didn't look the part, just that people wanted Brosnan. And there was alot of competition, more than CR. With CR more people liked the change of style, in Dalton's days people WANTED the Moore type films, for Bond anyway. With CR, after films like Bourne, people liked the more realistic ones.

    Are you speaking from a US or UK perspective? I always got the impression in the UK that no one really knew who Brosnan was before GE. It might just be me but Remmington Steel had never registered at all. For that reason I had a completely open mind about Brozza. I liked Dalts but after the long break was just happy to see another Bond movie go into production.
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    I think the both are them are excellent and wouldn't want to pick one over the other at the mo.
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    Looking at this thread, it's intresting how there's a bunch of people who seem to have voted for Craig, but only have one post...
  • Posts: 11,425
    Looking at this thread, it's intresting how there's a bunch of people who seem to have voted for Craig, but only have one post...

    Craigites are less articulate than limp-wristed Daltonites. Craigites prefer to punch and kick rather than write lame posts in support of their man. Actions speak louder than words!
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Getafix wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    2) he hardly got the hate like DC for being cast - so, this is no argument for his failure
    4) DC wasn't popular at all, because nobody knew him - no argument.
    3) Dunno about that
    1) True but the same gos for CR
    5) Don't know the competition CR has had

    DC's hate worked for him, as it got the film publicity and made people want to go and see it. With Dalton though, it wasn't that he didn't look the part, just that people wanted Brosnan. And there was alot of competition, more than CR. With CR more people liked the change of style, in Dalton's days people WANTED the Moore type films, for Bond anyway. With CR, after films like Bourne, people liked the more realistic ones.

    Are you speaking from a US or UK perspective? I always got the impression in the UK that no one really knew who Brosnan was before GE. It might just be me but Remmington Steel had never registered at all. For that reason I had a completely open mind about Brozza. I liked Dalts but after the long break was just happy to see another Bond movie go into production.

    I'm assuming you're from the UK like me @Getafix. If so what was your experiences talking to people about Dalton? I was born in 1985 so am too young to remember his "era" first hand.
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    2) he hardly got the hate like DC for being cast - so, this is no argument for his failure
    4) DC wasn't popular at all, because nobody knew him - no argument.
    3) Dunno about that
    1) True but the same gos for CR
    5) Don't know the competition CR has had

    DC's hate worked for him, as it got the film publicity and made people want to go and see it. With Dalton though, it wasn't that he didn't look the part, just that people wanted Brosnan. And there was alot of competition, more than CR. With CR more people liked the change of style, in Dalton's days people WANTED the Moore type films, for Bond anyway. With CR, after films like Bourne, people liked the more realistic ones.

    Are you speaking from a US or UK perspective? I always got the impression in the UK that no one really knew who Brosnan was before GE. It might just be me but Remmington Steel had never registered at all. For that reason I had a completely open mind about Brozza. I liked Dalts but after the long break was just happy to see another Bond movie go into production.

    I'm assuming you're from the UK like me. If so what was your experiences talking to people about Dalton. I was born in 1985 so am too young to remember his "era" first hand.

    I was born in 1982 but from what I can remember his Bond wasn't hated. Most people I knew growing up seemed to like him.
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 12,837
    Getafix wrote:
    Looking at this thread, it's intresting how there's a bunch of people who seem to have voted for Craig, but only have one post...

    Craigites are less articulate than limp-wristed Daltonites. Craigites prefer to punch and kick rather than write lame posts in support of their man. Actions speak louder than words!

    OR Craigites see Craig losing and maybe make another account to get him ahead. I just find it weird how looking back, there's a bunch of people on this thread with one post, and that's explaining why they voted for Craig.
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 6,601
    Getafix wrote:
    Looking at this thread, it's intresting how there's a bunch of people who seem to have voted for Craig, but only have one post...

    Craigites are less articulate than limp-wristed Daltonites. Craigites prefer to punch and kick rather than write lame posts in support of their man. Actions speak louder than words!

    OR Craigites see Craig losing and maybe make another account to get him ahead. I just find it weird how looking back, there's a bunch of people on this thread with one post, and that's explaining why they voted for Craig.

    No need, he already won, where it counts :D and nothing any of us says, will chang that.
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    2) he hardly got the hate like DC for being cast - so, this is no argument for his failure
    4) DC wasn't popular at all, because nobody knew him - no argument.
    3) Dunno about that
    1) True but the same gos for CR
    5) Don't know the competition CR has had

    DC's hate worked for him, as it got the film publicity and made people want to go and see it. With Dalton though, it wasn't that he didn't look the part, just that people wanted Brosnan. And there was alot of competition, more than CR. With CR more people liked the change of style, in Dalton's days people WANTED the Moore type films, for Bond anyway. With CR, after films like Bourne, people liked the more realistic ones.

    Are you speaking from a US or UK perspective? I always got the impression in the UK that no one really knew who Brosnan was before GE. It might just be me but Remmington Steel had never registered at all. For that reason I had a completely open mind about Brozza. I liked Dalts but after the long break was just happy to see another Bond movie go into production.

    I'm assuming you're from the UK like me. If so what was your experiences talking to people about Dalton. I was born in 1985 so am too young to remember his "era" first hand.

    Good question. I remember enjoying TLD at the cinema and getting the impression that it was well received. However, to be honest, I think I was too young to fully register the wider critical response. License to Kill got a 15 certificate, which meant I didn't see it until years later. I think it's fair to say though that for my generation Roger remained the defining Bond. Because I didn't see LTK at the cinema, the break between movies for me felt even longer - 87 to 95. Almost an entire decade. I was actually really psyched up for GE and really looking forward to it, but came out of the cinema soooo disappointed. I saw flaws in every scene; the score; the story; the acting; the production design. It even really annoyed me that they had the Russians as villains - since the Soviets had never actually really been the baddies in the earlier films. That detail really represented for me how the producers and writers had misunderstood the heritage. Any way, I was pretty much the only one in my group of friends that didn't like it. The rest thought it was pretty good and gave them everything they expected from a Bond movie.
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 12,837
    Germanlady wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    Looking at this thread, it's intresting how there's a bunch of people who seem to have voted for Craig, but only have one post...

    Craigites are less articulate than limp-wristed Daltonites. Craigites prefer to punch and kick rather than write lame posts in support of their man. Actions speak louder than words!

    OR Craigites see Craig losing and maybe make another account to get him ahead. I just find it weird how looking back, there's a bunch of people on this thread with one post, and that's explaining why they voted for Craig.

    No need, he already won, where it counts :D and nothing any of us says, will chang that.

    Maybe, but it's just weird how many voted for Craig and have 1 post.
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    What do you mean with one post? Its just a few people here pro and con for both, who actually are vocal. But - some pages back, I was wondering the same thing ... but are you really surprised, that during a Bond film shooting, the actual Bond gets more votes then one, who is considered as one of the less popular ones? My question was based on the fact, that he got really a huge amount of votes considering, what I just said.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Some people don't want to be involved in the pointless bickering as well, considering both Dan and Tim have been brilliant as Bond, and did justice to the Connery blueprint as well as the literary Bond.
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 12,837
    @Germanlady I kind of expected Craig winning because he is the actual Bond yeah. But for people with one post, I mean people who have only posted once during their time on the site, in this thread. Although to be fair there are also some for Dalton.
    peter wrote:
    Craig by a long mile. He's the bastard son of Connery. He's got enought charisma in his "little finger" to last a life time.

    Dalton was uncomfortable in the role.

    I've read comparisons to the two actors-- that both play(ed) 007 as the regretful serviceman to Her Majesty's Secret Service.

    I did feel this in Dalton.

    But I feel Craig's Bond is always ready to prove himself; that if he comes off as surly, it's because he's pissed he couldn't do it his way. He hates to see he's fallible and his pig-headness comes from refusing to acknowledge this fallibility.

    Long Live Craig as Bond...!
    Schwa9179 wrote:
    T.Dalton was a good replacement for Roger Moore....But after seeing Casino Royale 2006...I would have to say Daniel Craig is THE BOND MAN
    Hellawally wrote:
    Some of you people are completely insane; putting Lazenby anywhere other than the bottom of the list is madness as is putting anyone before Sean Connery. The list should read:

    Sean Connery - He's Sean Connery - what else needs to be said?

    Daniel Craig - I was reluctant to like Craig in the role but the scene in CR where he is strapped to the chair and is being beaten with the knotted rope - there is something very authentically 'rebellious-kid-from-the streets' about it. Closing in on Sean Connery.

    Pierce Brosnan - I wish he had had better movies - his three were good but nothing special.

    Roger Moore - just slightly better than Dalton - too campy. No lean, natural, athleticism to him at all.

    Timothy Dalton - Could he be any stiffer? He couldn't seduce a street walker. He doesn't have the reluctant spy thing at all and he acts like he came from the estate neighborhoods where you were expected to attend schools like Cambridge and Oxford. There is nothing about him that says 'this man might be dangerous'.

    George Lazenby - why do you think he only got one shot at the role?
    hjdiet wrote:
    Without question - Sean Connery, Daniel Craig, George Lasenby, Timothy Dalton, Roger Moore, Pierce Brosnan.
    well, DANIEL CRAIG is the best as 007...bond

    These people (and afew more), only have 1 post, and that's supporting Craig on here, but like I said, there are afew for Dalton also.
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    Some people don't want to be involved in the pointless bickering as well, considering both Dan and Tim have been brilliant as Bond, and did justice to the Connery blueprint as well as the literary Bond.
    Sign me up for some of this. I like both Tim and Dan very much, and each of them brought some great things to Bond. I will admit that I prefer Craig (I feel that he is a little more natural than Dalts), but both great Bonds nonetheless.
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Any way, I was pretty much the only one in my group of friends that didn't like it.

    Good...you deserve to be (joke)

    Bear in mind though that not everyone thinks the same as you. @Thewizardofice for instance said he "came out buzzing" in 1995.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Surely the interesting thing here is how many votes Dalts is getting v Craig.
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    Getafix wrote:
    Surely the interesting thing here is how many votes Dalts is getting v Craig.

    But looking over it, it's mostly people who have voted for Craig who only have 1 post. There are few with 1 post for Dalton but not as many.
  • Posts: 11,425
    I don't understand the thing about votes and posts.
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 12,837
    Getafix wrote:
    I don't understand the thing about votes and posts.

    Because there are people with 1 post, and that's on this thread supporting Craig/Dalton. So I'm assuming if they posted supporting them, then they also voted in the poll.
  • Posts: 6,601
    What he says is, there are fake votes for both but more for Daniel. Who knows...but like I said, its surprising, how many Dalton gets against DC. You fans should be happy and not moaning. He didn't drown like Pierce, so its all good in your world, yes?
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    Nope. Still don't get it.

    Any way, I think Tim has made an impressive showing, especially considering the Craigster is the current Bond.
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    Getafix wrote:
    Nope. Still don't get it.

    Any way, I think Tim has made an impressive showing, especially considering the Craigster is the current Bond.

    Exactly, but they are never satisfied. Sometimes I feel, its a bit of mercy voting, like making up for loosing the job too early.

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    Germanlady wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    Nope. Still don't get it.

    Any way, I think Tim has made an impressive showing, especially considering the Craigster is the current Bond.

    Exactly, but they are never satisfied. Sometimes I feel, its a bit of mercy voting, like making up for loosing the job too early.

    I guess you had to find some way to explain it away...

    It couldn't be that - shock, horror - he was actually pretty good?

    No, of course not. Stupid me!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    THEY ARE BOTH AWESOME! No need for this stupid poll, or any vs. threads. All it does is toss up animosity over nothing.
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Having watched both Dalton and Craig, Craig DOES come off as the more "natural" and also the more genuinely threatening of the two. I say that as someone who used to favour Dalton.

    THAT's why Craig is seen as the superior Bond in the eyes of the public. He had a rawness and a nastiness that hadn't been seen since Connery.



    Look at that fight, pretty hardcore. Possibly the best fight since the train sequence in FRWL.

    Dalton was a stage actor pretending to be tough.
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    I'm a big fan of both, but rate Dalts slightly higher than the Craigster.

    I wasn't actually aware of much animosity between Craigsters and Daltonites - I think they tend to come from a similar place and appreciate both actors.
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Having watched both Dalton and Craig, Craig DOES come off as the more "natural" and also the more genuinely threatening of the two. I say that as someone who used to favour Dalton.

    THAT's why Craig is seen as the superior Bond in the eyes of the public. He had a rawness and a nastiness that hadn't been seen since Connery.



    Look at that fight, pretty hardcore. Possibly the best fight since the train sequence in FRWL.

    Dalton was a stage actor pretending to be tough.

    Regarding 'stage' vs 'screen' acting, DC has a similar background to Dalts, if I'm not mistaken. And Dalts had had plenty of screen experience prior to TLD.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Yes, Dan has appeared in stage productions.
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    Craig is an alumnus of the National Youth Theatre and graduated from the Guildhall School of Music and Drama in London and began his career on stage. (from Wikipedia)
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