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  • GermanladyGermanlady
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    Please.... the dialogue in the train scene is horrendous.

    'Rolex ?' 'Omeeeega.'

    This is indeed what bugs many, even those, who love thee scene, but I feel, its making it a bit easy to put it down to those 2 words. Take them out and what do you get? What I said IMO...and I am in save waters here as this scene did get a lot of applause after CR, was selecetd as a fine piece of entertainment. And rightly so...

  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    His wine-pouring skills are pretty awesome too.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
    Posts: 6,601
    Yes, no thug in that scene ;)
  • VBM398VBM398
    edited April 2012 Posts: 154
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    Please.... the dialogue in the train scene is horrendous.

    'Rolex ?' 'Omeeeega.'

    Please. That scene is a great scene.Not the greatest line, but great scene. Like the Germanlady said " a fine piece of entertainnment". It is a classic scene. I would choose that scene to any of Moore's scenes .It shows that Craig can be charming like Bond
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited April 2012 Posts: 15,723
    The train scene is appalling. The entire dialogue is just horrible. No one talks like that in real life. A true low-point in the franchise.
  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
    Posts: 1,082
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    The train scene is appalling. The entire dialogue is just horrible. No one talks like that in real life. A true low-point in the franchise.

    The whole content of CR is the lowest point the series ever reached.
    But the last half hour, OMG that´s bad.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited April 2012 Posts: 11,189
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    The train scene is appalling. The entire dialogue is just horrible. No one talks like that in real life. A true low-point in the franchise.

    And this is coming from someone who considers DAD a great film. :))

    "Vesper huh...wow...now there's a mouthful"

    "You can have me here. You can have me anywhere"

    "Yes but I'm still not quite sure how good you are"

    "I'm sooo good"

    "Especially when you're baad"
  • VBM398VBM398
    edited April 2012 Posts: 154
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    The train scene is appalling. The entire dialogue is just horrible. No one talks like that in real life. A true low-point in the franchise.

    The whole content of CR is the lowest point the series ever reached.
    But the last half hour, OMG that´s bad.

    Im starting to think that you have no taste at all. That scene is a great scene and also is Casino Royale . To call it a low point in the franchise is just pure nonsense,IMO, I think the lowest point in the franchise is probably when the Moore films started to become more of a parody then a real bond film. Moore was still a great Bond. A true low-point. Just my opinion.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    VBM398 wrote:
    Im starting to think that you have no taste at all.

    I see you have the greatest tastes of all, and we must all agree with you.
  • VBM398VBM398
    edited April 2012 Posts: 154
    No one said that. Not my intention with that part of the comment.Ive seen some of your comments and I dont agree with them at all.
  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
    Posts: 1,082
    VBM398 wrote:
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    The train scene is appalling. The entire dialogue is just horrible. No one talks like that in real life. A true low-point in the franchise.

    The whole content of CR is the lowest point the series ever reached.
    But the last half hour, OMG that´s bad.

    Im starting to think that you have no taste at all. That scene is a great scene and also is Casino Royale . To call it a low point in the franchise is just pure nonsense,IMO, I think the lowest point in the franchise is probably when the Moore films started to become more of a parody then a real bond film. Moore was still a great Bond.

    Moore´s movies are the real Bond films, CR is Bond trying to appeal to a bigger audience by ignoring about everything what defines the Bond movies and trying to be modern and gritty.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
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    To me it really doesn't matter, if DC and Rogr Moore here attack every bit of Bond DC has made - in a way, they don't count - sorry - because if you seem to dislike just about EVERYTHING, it shows to me, that they just put it down, because...others who dislike parts of the films but still give credit to SOMETHING are more likely to be taken serious.

    @Moore - still think, you are cute though ;)
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    As I said, I hate CR as a Bond film. As a film in general it's very good.
  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
    Posts: 1,082
    Germanlady wrote:
    To me it really doesn't matter, if DC and Rogr Moore here attack every bit of Bond DC has made - in a way, they don't count - sorry - because if you seem to dislike just about EVERYTHING, it shows to me, that they just put it down, because...others who dislike parts of the films but still give credit to SOMETHING are more likely to be taken serious.

    @Moore - still think, you are cute though ;)

    I think that the Madagascar chase is good. And some other things. But to me it´s not a Bond film.

  • VBM398VBM398
    Posts: 154
    Germanlady wrote:
    To me it really doesn't matter, if DC and Rogr Moore here attack every bit of Bond DC has made - in a way, they don't count - sorry - because if you seem to dislike just about EVERYTHING, it shows to me, that they just put it down, because...others who dislike parts of the films but still give credit to SOMETHING are more likely to be taken serious.

    @Moore - still think, you are cute though ;)

    agree. except for the cute part

  • VBM398VBM398
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    As I said, I hate CR as a Bond film. As a film in general it's very good.

    You should have said that earlier in a more clear way. But I still think that it is a very good BOND film

  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    VBM398 wrote:
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    The train scene is appalling. The entire dialogue is just horrible. No one talks like that in real life. A true low-point in the franchise.

    The whole content of CR is the lowest point the series ever reached.
    But the last half hour, OMG that´s bad.

    Im starting to think that you have no taste at all. That scene is a great scene and also is Casino Royale . To call it a low point in the franchise is just pure nonsense,IMO, I think the lowest point in the franchise is probably when the Moore films started to become more of a parody then a real bond film. Moore was still a great Bond.

    Moore´s movies are the real Bond films, CR is Bond trying to appeal to a bigger audience by ignoring about everything what defines the Bond movies and trying to be modern and gritty.

    And MR wasn't trying to appeal to the bigger audiences by copying Star Wars? Ever since the Bond films began they have copied other contemporary movies
  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
    Posts: 1,082
    BAIN123 wrote:
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    VBM398 wrote:
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    The train scene is appalling. The entire dialogue is just horrible. No one talks like that in real life. A true low-point in the franchise.

    The whole content of CR is the lowest point the series ever reached.
    But the last half hour, OMG that´s bad.

    Im starting to think that you have no taste at all. That scene is a great scene and also is Casino Royale . To call it a low point in the franchise is just pure nonsense,IMO, I think the lowest point in the franchise is probably when the Moore films started to become more of a parody then a real bond film. Moore was still a great Bond.

    Moore´s movies are the real Bond films, CR is Bond trying to appeal to a bigger audience by ignoring about everything what defines the Bond movies and trying to be modern and gritty.

    And MR wasn't trying to appeal to the bigger audiences by copying Star Wars? Ever since the Bond films began they have copied other contemporary movies

    Yes, but they didn´t ignore the Bond tradition. There were gadgets, Q and Moore who plays Bond as he really should be.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited April 2012 Posts: 11,189
    But Royale still the Aston, the sweeping locations, the beautiful exotic women, the casino's and the crowd pleasing action.
  • VBM398VBM398
    edited April 2012 Posts: 154
    And by the way. Ive said this before. What makes CR a bond film to me, is the fact that it does not have all of the gadjects or the invisible cars.Because it is not suppose to have them. It does not fit into the storyline. Its a younger Bond. A more careless Bond. like BAIN said, there are other things that still make it a bond film.
  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
    Posts: 1,082
    BAIN123 wrote:
    But Royale still the Aston, the sweeping locations, the beautiful exotic women, the casino's and the crowd pleasing action.

    Yes, indeed it has. A can give it a few ounces of credit for that.

  • VBM398VBM398
    edited April 2012 Posts: 154
    good... a few ounces of credit...making progress
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    But Royale still the Aston, the sweeping locations, the beautiful exotic women, the casino's and the crowd pleasing action.

    Yes, indeed it has. A can give it a few ounces of credit for that.

    I must confess after watching CR for the first time I didn't really know what to think. I enjoyed it but wasn't sure what my exact opinion was. Part of me still missed PB. It was only after seeing a few more times that I enjoyed it more and more. Since buying the dvd in 2007 I have seen it many times.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    VBM398 wrote:
    What makes CR a bond film to me, is the fact that it does not have all of the gadjects or the invisible cars.

    That is precisely why it's not a Bond film for me. No Q, no gadgets, no Moneypenny, no Bond theme, no gun barrel at the start.....
  • VBM398VBM398
    Posts: 154
    ok. i respect your opinion
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited April 2012 Posts: 11,189
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    VBM398 wrote:
    What makes CR a bond film to me, is the fact that it does not have all of the gadjects or the invisible cars.

    That is precisely why it's not a Bond film for me. No Q, no gadgets, no Moneypenny, no Bond theme, no gun barrel at the start.....

    It has actual elegance though rather than cheesiness (and I say that as a lover of GE)

    And btw it DOES have a gunbarrel at the start. Just in a different format.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,723
    BAIN123 wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    VBM398 wrote:
    What makes CR a bond film to me, is the fact that it does not have all of the gadjects or the invisible cars.

    That is precisely why it's not a Bond film for me. No Q, no gadgets, no Moneypenny, no Bond theme, no gun barrel at the start.....

    It has actual elegance though rather than cheesiness (and I say that as a lover of GE)

    Maybe CR is elegant, and it is in the casino scenes, but there is the Bondness that is missing.

  • VBM398VBM398
    Posts: 154
    casino scenes.....very elegant
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    Germanlady wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    (I'm beginning to understand why Dalton never quite "worked" with the masses)
    actonsteve wrote:
    Sweeping generalisation. TLD did excellent box office and every time his films are shown on ITV they get good ratings. When ITV are looking at which Bonds do the best - its his two which they put on.

    I can understand, if somebody chooses to close their eyes on facts, when it comes to somebody they like, but you cannot by all means compare the mass hysteria after CR to what was the result for Dalton. DC at that point had shot from almost zero to 100%, winning everything he possibly could and his popularity went through the roof for some time.

    @actonsteve Yeah, the only ones ITV have shown on thier main channel lately have been Daltons.

    @Germanlady DC had an advantage though. Back when Dalton became Bond, people WANTED the light hearted Moore stuff, they didn't want a dark and serious film.

    But now, after the success of films like Bourne, it was kind of clear that people enjoyed the dark, realistic films more than they enjoyed the camp, funny, gadget packed films. Which is why CR did so well.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
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    @livingroyale not sure about that. People liked the film, yes, but what they liked better was DC. I doubt, the film had have the same success with an actor, the people liked less, which I think was the problem with Dalton.
    I saw LTK and didn't like the tone nor Dalton.
    I saw CR and felt a bit irritated coming off Moore and Brosnan, but DC won me over. It didn't take me long to discover just how Bondian it still was, even though some items were missing.
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