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Financially, obviously, but I mean the franchise was in the danger of getting worse with its storytelling, something that was prominently abysmal in the least half of DAD especially. MGW and Barbara talk about how they were so puzzled as to where to go next, when they realized they had to take Cubby's advice: Go back to Fleming. Luckily we had good scripts again.
More so than CR?
I still think that's Goldeneye, but I do like QOS much more after giving it a rewatch. I think it's better than CR.
I like QOS but it was far from critically acclaimed.
I know, it's just a surprising comment that I never get to hear. It's quite interesting, really, and I enjoy hearing some love for QoS.
Perhaps not as acclaimed as CR or SF. But it did certainly better with the critics then the most of Brosnans movies.
After DAD, if we hadn't gotten CR, we probably would've gotten a back-to-earth FYEO type 5th Brosnan flick.
The series would have been fine without Craig. Would the films have been as successful and popular, maybe not. But the series would've carried on.
The only time I ever actually thought the series was over was after LTK, and after GE was announced I've learned that Bond will keep going no matter what. Chances are it'll outlive me.[/quote]
Bond was consindered a joke after DAD yes commercially successful but not critical or memorable. The series with Craig is at its Coolest its been since early Connery (i know you hate me saying that but its true) plus at its most commercially successful since the mid 60's mania. Plus its never been as Critically or awarded as its been under Craig. Yes Bond would have continued but it wouldn't be at the level it is now without him.
I'm not sure. GE was really well recieved, I can't remember how well recieved TND was. QOS did get better reviews than TWINE (not sure why if I'm honest).
It got about equal to DAD. Both had a fairly mixed reaction.
Erm no he wasn't. Were you a fan in 2002? Because DAD got decent enough reviews.
I wrote a big, long post about opinions and how "Craig made Bond cool again" is simply not true so I can't be arsed repeating myself.
See YOLT, OHMSS and TMWTGG and TLD ss for proof that he did disobey M quite often in Fleming.
Are you kidding me? Look one page back and you will see YOU already responded that to me once, and I've already replied.
Haha
http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/369/quantum-of-solace-the-worst-bond-flick-to-date/p9
http://toddmthatcher.wordpress.com/2013/01/27/the-007-files-quantum-of-solace/
Bottom 5
1.DAF
2.AVTAK
3.QoS
4.DAD
5.YOLT
Also watched DAD again, and kind of enjoyed it - quite ridiculus, but fun. QOS just had no Bond feel to it at all. Hate DAF too!!
I felt the need to correct you on the subject of Quantum of Bourne. O:-)
But I also don't think it's the underrated masterpiece some people claim it is and I don't think it deserves a spot in my top 10. It's an average middle ranker with some really good scenes but also it's fair share of flaws.
It is no where as bad as DAF, MR or DAD
Anyway, it went along the lines of saying QoS was a disappointment after CR. Had it come off the back of DAD I think it would have been received better.
We expected something along the lines of SF after CR.
And for all the faults of a DAF or a MR, they have a warmer feeling overall than QoS, which leaves me feeling slightly cold.
And other than the opening car chase, the rest of the action sequences I find tedious in QoS.
I agree with pretty much all of this. I particularly identify with your description of DAF and MR feeling warm. For a 'cold' film to be re-watchable, it has to tick all the right boxes. In a 'warm' film it's slightly more forgivable when the plot goes a bit awry. You can glean your entertainment from different facets of the film, and revel in it's absurdity.
I think also for me, the nostalgia of childhood memories play a part in watching films like MR and DAF, which also adds to the `warmth'.
You are 100 percent right in what you say about qos.
No cohession, jumpy as hell and totally non sensical,you are spot on.
Pretentious arty shots,stupid idea.
Dizzy editing is another shocking point.
Dreary locations for a bond film.
Worst bond film for sure.
After CR, this film was a crushing dissapointment, due to the appaling direction and editing of the film which rendered a great deal of the film an incohesive mess.
.......and never mention that god awful title song to me..........arghhhhhhhh!
and Brosnans ones too. I rate QoS a lot i think its the Bond film that needs rewatching then most like LTK and OHMSS to really get it imo, its major weakness is its editing which in some scenes is shocking. Craig is awesome as Bond in it, it has a great bond girl,the opening 15 minutes is Bond at it's best. It only dips for me during the plane battle. Its in my top 10 nowhere near CR or Skyfall greatness or the early Connery efforts but i take it over any Moore or Brosnan or late connery Bond's simple cause its gritty and not a camp fest.
QoS was rushed and released two years after CR...now there lies a four year gap between SF and QoS...
Maybe EON should take longer before releasing a new Bond film...when given the time (four years between DAD and CR) they make a pretty good film (and Purvis and Wade uses the time to bone up on their writing skills)
Bond 24 should wait until 2016 before it's released. Maybe....