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  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    (And while I may be the minority, I'm particularly fond of Timm and Dini's Batman Beyond.)

    Welcome to the club, we have Batarang shaped cookies.
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    Oh yes, S:TAS was a fantastic follow-up to B:TAS. Still one of the best representations of Superman for my money. Those two-parters you cited were incredible—as was the origin three-parter "The Last Son of Krypton" and any number of others, including "Brave New Metropolis," "Stolen Memories," and "Ghost in the Machine."

    Absolutely, all great episodes, and the best and most "mythic" version of Superman since the late 50s/early 60s Superman comics (the last time the character outsold Batman). STAS aptly captured Superman's character, portraying a fundamentally good and down-to-earth man who knows powers as great as his must be handled with responsibility, self-control and humility. Darkseid is the opposite, which made him an excellent foe, capable of getting Superman's goat and pushing him to the edge.
    And while I may be the minority, I'm particularly fond of Timm and Dini's Batman Beyond.

    I think you mean the majority! Batman Beyond is a very well-liked show, in my perception at least. It presented a convincing and ingenious picture of Batman's future. The show's quality suffered a little in season two because of network interference (hence the presence of Max in every episode), but it was still a triumph. And I think the harrowing flashback sequence from Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker is the definitive version of Batman and Joker's final battle.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I haven't seen the Superman animated series in a long time (it needs on Netflix, already!) but I agree that the DCAU Superman is one of the best we've seen of the character in his entire creative life, with Batman never having been better realized.

    I am a fan of Batman Beyond, but probably not as much as others. It was a big thing in my childhood, and I had the action figures to go along with it, but it's not something I watch a lot. As an older kid now I can appreciate a lot about it that I didn't when I was little, namely Bruce's character. One thing I liked about the Batman animated series, Batman Beyond and the Epilogue of Justice League (wrapping up Beyond's story) was how each never glorified Bruce's life. The shows all displayed the destructive and lonely road Bruce was charting, and in the end he finishes his life isolated from those he loves while still desperately clinging to the one mission that has suffocated him for his entire life. Truly amazing storytelling, very true to the character but also the most tragic overall arc I've seen for his character off the comic page.

    Out of Beyond's storytelling the moment where Bruce suits up one final time is a favorite of mine, but nothing out of any I've seen beats the opening of the show where Bruce gives up his mantle following the incident where he's forced to pick up a gun to defend himself. His despair and shame in that moment is so, so powerful, a shell of the man he once was and coming to terms with his own limitations.
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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Loved Shazam as a kid. Hope they do it justice.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Loved Shazam as a kid. Hope they do it justice.
    It's good that WB don't have a bad track record when it comes to this kind of thing.
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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Well, Aquaman and The Flash were horrible.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I rather liked both.
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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Well, Aquaman and The Flash were horrible.
    Flash was about as annoying as I worried he would be, and the constant cringe comedy from him didn't work. Aquaman was almost a non-entity though, so I'd have to see how he worked in a solo film to judge him properly. And to think many predicted that Momoa would steal the film!
  • Well, Aquaman and The Flash were horrible.
    Flash was about as annoying as I worried he would be, and the constant cringe comedy from him didn't work. Aquaman was almost a non-entity though, so I'd have to see how he worked in a solo film to judge him properly. And to think many predicted that Momoa would steal the film!

    Agreed. If anything, Aquaman read to me like a Batman 2.0, deep-voiced and hulking and brooding. And the one interesting thing they tried to do with his character, having him fall victim to WW's lasso of truth, was ripped straight from Guardians of the Galaxy's Drax with his comedy by way of pure, unfiltered, and overly literal honesty.

    I'm looking forward to Aquaman's solo film, mostly because of my interest in underwater adventure, but am waiting with bated breath to see what they'll actually make of Mamoa's character.
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    While I am not a huge fan of Shazam I am happy Dc is continue to make films looking forward to Aquaman

    The honest question I have though is The Batman Nightwing and Batgirl. How much do we all wanna bet none of the 3 will happen and we will get a Batman reboot in a few years time...
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Batman solo movie rumored to be non-canon, with Affleck's final performance in the cape to be in Suicide Squad II:

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/01/16/suicide-squad-2-rumored-to-be-ben-afflecks-final-appearance-as-batman
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Batman solo movie rumored to be non-canon, with Affleck's final performance in the cape to be in Suicide Squad II:

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/01/16/suicide-squad-2-rumored-to-be-ben-afflecks-final-appearance-as-batman
    I'm now hopeful for this Batman film. It's as I expected.

    A decent Batman incarnation shouldn't occupy the same universe as the other DC heroes (and certainly not the same universe as Superman and Wonder Woman) imho. He's too 'real', and that's what drew me to the character in the comics as a kid in the first place.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    That sounds terrible.

    a) To send Affleck away in a film that isn't even a straigh-up Batman or at least JL film.
    b) To make a non-canon film while JL is still struggling to get its affairs in order.

    ... if these rumours are true of course.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Curious if the end of Affleck's take on the Batman is more of his decision or a creative decision. As bad as BvS was, I quite enjoyed his take on the character. One of the few positives I had regarding the movie.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I loved Batfleck in BvS. But, he was a complete waste in JL.
  • To be honest that sounds great to me. Not really a massive comic/superhero fan but I liked the Nolan movies a lot, and I really like Matt Reeves so I'm excited to see what he does with it. But I really don't care about this universe at all, saw Man Of Steel and that was more than enough to put me off the sequels. So a stand alone would be lovely imo.

    No opinion either way on Affleck since I haven't seen his Batman but I guess a new actor would make it easier to tell that it has nothing to do with the last few films.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    If Affleck were to be replaced, they should really pursue Jon Hamm for the role since he fits perfectly in a classic Hitchcockian-planned detective mystery Matt Reeves claims his film to be, and I’d like that.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    All this Affleck/Batman business is making my head hurt. I want answers, dammit! I'm really glad I didn't get attached to this interpretation or Affleck's role in the films, as this would upset me otherwise.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    That final shot :-?
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    That final shot :-?

    Superman getting his suit from his Fortress of Solitude? That would be a nice scene to have and if that is the case then the mind absolutely boggles as to why it was cut.

    It really baffles me. I enjoyed JL but it was far from a great film - yet the biggest frustration lies with watching the film and seeing all the pieces work well individually yet the whole thing never works as a whole. Same feeling that I had watching SS. I left with a "so close" feeling. Completely bums out any of the positivity I want to have.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    That final shot :-?

    Superman getting his suit from his Fortress of Solitude? That would be a nice scene to have and if that is the case then the mind absolutely boggles as to why it was cut.

    It really baffles me. I enjoyed JL but it was far from a great film - yet the biggest frustration lies with watching the film and seeing all the pieces work well individually yet the whole thing never works as a whole. Same feeling that I had watching SS. I left with a "so close" feeling. Completely bums out any of the positivity I want to have.

    That image made me think of the possibility of Supes regenerating in the Fortress then building his strength up like in Superman Doomsday before taking on the New Gods in JL. I would love to see the whole story board for what Snyder had planned for JL.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    That final shot :-?

    Superman getting his suit from his Fortress of Solitude? That would be a nice scene to have and if that is the case then the mind absolutely boggles as to why it was cut.

    It really baffles me. I enjoyed JL but it was far from a great film - yet the biggest frustration lies with watching the film and seeing all the pieces work well individually yet the whole thing never works as a whole. Same feeling that I had watching SS. I left with a "so close" feeling. Completely bums out any of the positivity I want to have.

    That image made me think of the possibility of Supes regenerating in the Fortress then building his strength up like in Superman Doomsday before taking on the New Gods in JL. I would love to see the whole story board for what Snyder had planned for JL.

    I agree. I also had hope that Snyder would deliver the goods on the third go - and my feeling was that his Justice League and the rebirth of his Superman would not only be a better film than his previous two, but actually retrospectively improve the previous two films. I can mentally put together something resembling a structure from the list of deleted scenes and I have to say that I think they screwed the pooch big time and messed up the arcs that were there.

    A lot of the negativity surrounding the film's production was mostly out of paranoia and worry by both WB and the fans - picking on every single detail - and that effected everything so much that we ended up with a film that was as safe as possible.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 25,029


    That final shot :-?

    Superman getting his suit from his Fortress of Solitude? That would be a nice scene to have and if that is the case then the mind absolutely boggles as to why it was cut.

    It really baffles me. I enjoyed JL but it was far from a great film - yet the biggest frustration lies with watching the film and seeing all the pieces work well individually yet the whole thing never works as a whole. Same feeling that I had watching SS. I left with a "so close" feeling. Completely bums out any of the positivity I want to have.

    That image made me think of the possibility of Supes regenerating in the Fortress then building his strength up like in Superman Doomsday before taking on the New Gods in JL. I would love to see the whole story board for what Snyder had planned for JL.

    I agree. I also had hope that Snyder would deliver the goods on the third go - and my feeling was that his Justice League and the rebirth of his Superman would not only be a better film than his previous two, but actually retrospectively improve the previous two films. I can mentally put together something resembling a structure from the list of deleted scenes and I have to say that I think they screwed the pooch big time and messed up the arcs that were there.

    A lot of the negativity surrounding the film's production was mostly out of paranoia and worry by both WB and the fans - picking on every single detail - and that effected everything so much that we ended up with a film that was as safe as possible.

    I like MoS and BvS I saw them as elseworld films, my frustration is WB bottled it and did not let Snyder follow through with his trilogy. JL to me is mediocre at best and WB meddling made things even worse looking at the box-office, my interest in future DC films is none existent at the moment. I am a die hard DC comics fan i'll stick to the animated films for now, if a live action film ends up being good I'll be happy, though I won't follow much development of DC cinematic universe projects.

    Maybe when I buy the JL Bluray I may warm to the film better
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Wonder Woman 2 is all they have now. Despite the warm response to Momoa, his solo film still has a lot of work to do to get a hype train speeding.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    JL was very good IMO. It was very 'DC' in that it was more fantastic than grounded (like Marvel comics & films). I had a blast with it, but yeah, it was incredibly *meh* when compared to something like Winter Soldier.... still I'll get that BD the second it comes out.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @CraigMooreOHMSS, I agree about the film coming off as painfully safe; part of my criticism with it is that it's so been there, done that through and through. DC seemed scared to do the Marvel formula when it came to following solo films with a team film (thus having the audience care about the characters and know them) but they then not only go to get the guy who helped cement the "Marvel way" with Avengers to direct the first team film, they also pack their film with a DC story done the Marvel way on top of it. The comedy, awkward interactions, attempts at physical sketches/moments, etc.

    The issue being, none of it is done that well. The characters/actors don't mesh like the Avengers team do (since we had time to know all of those guys over many films), and even in the action scenes the heroes don't get the best moments to shine as they do in the Avengers films, something those movies do really well. Even Hawkeye feels more crucial to saving the day than Batman does in JL, where he's essentially relegated to being a designated driver to everyone else while they do all the cool stuff. I wanted to see the heroes really working together in interesting ways, but the CGI kills a lot of that momentum and when you don't care about most of the team (basically, I just care about Diana) that's a big issue. If you're not interested in those fighting, the fighting comes off as not engaging or satisfying because it lacks an emotional tug.

    Your comment about the film being a "so close" effort is a perfect way to put it. Parts and ideas were there, but never taken the full extent to true potential or realization. The Superman/Clark resurrection is painfully truncated, one of the things the film needed to ace, the villain had an interesting introduction but was left undefined for all the time afterward, the building of team cohesion would've been improved with more time (the film should have been thirty minutes longer as usual, it's ridiculous it's not) and a greater driving home of the threat was needed on top of it to make us care. What could've been epic or inspired falls short of those great adjectives, unfortunately. The minute I found out that that epic battle scene from the trailers between the Amazonians/Atlantians/humans and parademons was going to be a flashback and not the climax of the film, my hopes that this movie was going to be what it needed to be started dying. I went into seeing it when it was nearly out of theaters not with anticipation or excitement, but with a feeling of, "Yeah, might as well." It's not the fact that it's a bad film that boggles my mind, it's how amazing it could've been and how it avoids that standard at every turn out of sheer incompetence and wandering.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Two more days till Gotham By Gaslight.
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