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I heard that news too- it might be a bit of a stretch to have the whole movie set in Arkham though, right?
Whatever ends up happening, you can rest assured that bones will be broken!
Their characterization of Batman has harmed so much, and added so much illogical luggage to everything past and future in the universe that surrounds him. The Ultimate cut only serves to make it even more apparent how vile he is.
However, I still appreciate it as a fresh take on the character whose morals I admire but occasionally find unrelatable. The key thing now is, with the end of BvS inspiring this Batman to become what he once was and abandon his ultra-violent ways (the guns now removed from the Batmobile etc), how are his actions going to affect the future? The Joker, for example, was always most interested in turning the Dark Knight inside out and forcing him to admit his true inner crazy. After Batman's descent and reascent, it could lead to a couple of interesting twists on familiar tales. The Joker knows Batman has touched the dark side, and he can use that as leverage to attempt to lure him back. With Leto's "rabid dog" approach to The Joker, that could be really interesting. Imagine if we got a live action adaptation of The Killing Joke or Under The Red Hood, with Batman harbouring guilt or anger about how far he fell after so many people he cared about died to protect his ideals, only to rise back up to a moral highground and then have those ideals challenged once more? I can only hope that having Geoff Johns onboard with a character driven storyteller such as Affleck will lead to these new approaches.
What is done is done, and while I fully respect what @0Brady and co. say about BvS, I think that the raw, brutal Batman we saw is actually more believable (for better or worse) when you're going for a real world grittiness. I think vile is an unfair description.
It's why the flashbacks of Suicide Squad are going to be really interesting to me. I'd be curious as to when they are set - after BvS and before Suicide Squad; or before both, with the main SS story taking place after BvS. I know that SS is set in Midway, but I hope that Bats makes an appearance (confronting Waller at the climax, for example) that will lead into Justice League ("You've formed your team, Waller. I have a little one of my own in the pipeline.").
I don't think this DC film universe is a lost cause yet. I just hope they use the flawed but nonetheless really interesting baseline Snyder established to create something we know but haven't seen before.
He brands people for death for no reason that's really explained, other than to clean a gene pool he deems unworthy, though he's a character that's rehabilitative in nature and not punitive.
He thinks that a being who could maybe, sorta, possibly, be 1% evil deserves 100%, unrelenting destruction. Seriously, what math is he doing here? Everyone has the chance to be evil, but until they show you that they are indeed that, you don't do anything, and you must certainly don't try and stab them through the heart with a kryptonite spear. Christ, this guy is worse than Luthor. At the beginning Luthor wanted the kryptonite as a nice little silver bullet to use if Superman did turn bad, but Batman wants to steal it and use it right away, regardless of if Superman is a real threat or not. And Lex is the villain here?
This Batman is so concerned about the dangers of Superman and the deaths he brought about (though he quite obviously never raised a hand against a human and is always helping earth after the battle of Metropolis in any way he can), that he completely fails to see how hypocritical he's being while he goes out on the town in his incendiary tank gun wheeler mobile armory batmobile to incinerate, purge and straight up demolish anyone that stands in the way of his selfish and misguided goals.
This isn't Batman, no matter how many times people try to argue otherwise. People use the excuse that there's multiple versions of Batman that've come along across the decades, but after a while core, unmistakable traits represent who a character is that don't really fluctuate. This is especially true if the character is a comic book hero with a defined set of traits like Batman or Superman, Spider-Man or Captain America. These characters don't change quite as much as people like to think/say they do.
BvS is so removed from the comics, even Elseworlds stories, and that is truly upsetting. It would be like if a film about Jesus' life was made where instead of going around blessing people, he touched all of the people in Nazareth who sinned and afflicted them with a plague, then got in a fight with his dad on a hill, angry about why humans can be such asshats and why it's him that has to save them. Do you think people would be happy to see that backwards version of a renowned figure? No, and the case shouldn't be different here with Batman or Superman, the latter of which really got trashed.
Would love to see an adaptation of the comic book "Arkham Asylum" from 1989, by Grant Morrison.
If I and all these people aren't the audience for this movie, I don't know who is, as we're the only ones that actually care beyond seeing a blockbuster explosion fest. I fail to see the appeal of watching a hypocritical homicidal guy in bat ears go on a rampage, or a man from space who moans about how everyone dislikes him without actually doing anything to change that, before labeling himself as a bad man openly and forsaking any respect he could've gained. And worse yet, his horrid earth parents, the mother who tells him to do this or that, it doesn't matter, or his dad, who tells him that doing good things brings nothing but bad.
Who seriously enjoys this? It's not deep filmmaking, it's not interesting characterization, as these characters have no depth, and none of it resembles even a hint of who the world knows these characters to be. What's the point of having a Justice League when you're giving people versions of these "heroes" that are like Bizarro versions of them all?
Snyder took numerous great comic stories, ripped off their panels to do visual homages (all he can do, I guess), and in the process, made sure to sap all the emotion, meaning and impact from all of them.
In The Dark Knight Returns, when Batman must raise a gun and shoot a Mutant to save a kid, he does it because he has no choice, because it had to be done, and it troubles him beyond imagination at the state the world has grown to be in. In BvS, that moment is adapted just for another explosive combat moment and "cool" image, and the meaning it should've had is stripped away. It's not impactful or emotional to watch a Batman forced to kill someone because we've watched this bastard do it for the entire movie to any number of people, with not a shred of remorse, and with no great pay off or moment of revelation at all he did wrong. And that's because this isn't Batman, as the real Batman would've hung up the suit the day he couldn't do the job without resorting to full measures like that.
The Death of Superman arc is powerful because we watch Superman see his friends fall at the hands of a deadly creature, until he's left to face it. It's tense and painful and emotional because we know who this man is, what he stands for as a beacon of hope for the world, and why his fellow heroes stand with him, and experienced all their past adventures and shared a history with them. When Superman sacrifices himself and his body is carried in its casket post battle, followed by all the heroes inspired by him, it's a beautiful moment because writers showed us why he was a symbol for the world, why people were willing to go to death's door with him, and just what a world without Superman would look like as they all paid tribute to an alien that became one of them.
And the list goes on and on. BvS sucked away everything special about the heroes and the emotion, impact and meaning of their greatest stories, leaving behind nothing but shoddy characters with even shoddier motivations that no kids deserve to have for their heroes.
These heroes are inarguably insane. Batman and Superman have this shoddy conflict, fight for three minutes, then, as Batman is about to stab Superman, hearing that Supes has a mom changes absolutely everything for him, and all the so-called unwavering, hardcore principles he was fighting for to save the earth died as they became best buddies for no great reason at all. Then this batty bastard has the audacity to call himself a friend of Superman's to Ma Kent, not thirty minutes after he was going to straight up murder him medieval-style with that spear.
What a joke it all is, from a story standpoint, a character standpoint, a filmmaking standpoint and a quality standpoint.
Yes. I got all that, and I agree with almost all of it just as I did when it was stated in the BvS thread. But once more, my original post was not specific to BvS or its failings but more about where we go from here. Regarding the moment Batman shoots the mutant in The Dark Knight Returns; I agree. It's one of my favourite Batman moments for those reasons exactly. But, to follow that same point, surely there is no reason why those emotions couldn't be adapted into a bigger picture to follow Batman's misgivings and poor judgement in BvS? You're saying there is almost no point in continuing on with the films, even with the change in creative direction that has been initiated outside of the Justice League film?
I say all of this as someone who has only started heavily reading Batman comics in the last 10 years and is far more interested in his solo adventures than the Justice League stories.
Hmm I have been reading every issue of Batman since 2006 (as well as most of detective comics)
I read many of the graphic novels
Saw every episode of Batman the animated series and Batman beyond
I saw most of Brave and the bold and beware the batman(which I thought was brilliant)
And ever live action film.
So am I a "Batman expert" well that I guess depends on your definition.
The issue is in my opinion is Snyder (with Nolan's blessing I might add) is a visual director and in some ways it works in others it doesn't.
Let's really analyze the Martha scene again
What we see here is a Batman who realizes just how far he was pushed and how much a criminal he became. This is really Frank Miller's Dark Knight returns Batman but with a moment of redemption. He doesn't stop killing superman because their mothers have the same name but because he remembers he feeling of pain and hopelessness he felt when his parents died. It's as powerful as the "why do we fall" line in batman begins.
This is shown visually and brilliantly acted by Affleck...
The one thing I will say Brady is Affleck directing and writing will give his batman a different view and tone then Snyder. I would recommend you check out the town and Argo so you can see how different a director Affleck is.
Who knows if DC and Warner should bother with doing a DCEU. Future films and the public reception of them will shape their plans, whether I like what's put out or not. The backlash won't stop enough of the money from rolling in, and poor box office is the only thing that could change things in a meaningful way. It's no secret I couldn't care less what comes next, and that won't change unless DC and Warner actually set out to make a universe worth supporting, and they haven't done that yet.
It's worrying, though. If they can't do Batman and Superman justice or make audiences and critics alike flock to them or even like them at all, what chances do the Flash and Cyborg films have? They'll be dead in the water, with an audience that doesn't care about them or their adventures. DC and Warner don't have the patience, talent and smarts on their film branches to get Marvel and Disney level success. That's inarguable at this stage.
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http://collider.com/aquaman-movie-writer-will-beall/
For Aquaman, just do a story surrounding Arthur struggling to keep his throne against a waning underwater empire being besieged by outside forces and armies, while his kingship is sought after on all sides by his greedy and power hungry colleagues in high office. Featuring a crumbling underwater empire would be a great way to introduce Arthur as a man of elegance and power in his rule, while also creating a nice callback to the crumbling Kryptonian empire seen in MoS as we once again witness a world on the brink of destruction. With Arthur showing himself to the world in Justice League, a conflict in the solo film could revolve around his people turning on him for revealing their existence to the world, and meddling in the affairs of the land people where they have no place, purpose or gain.
The JLA animated series provided a great origin story for the character of Arthur Curry that delved into this kind of political intrigue with themes of deception on the part of Aquaman's allies and sacrifice on his part to save his kingdom and family from danger. DC could spin a strong story full of tension, espionage-like intrigue and political drama by featuring a game of thrones playing out as Aquaman begins questioning who his allies are as more and more vie for his throne and wish to tear him from it, if need be. The film would see him tested and formed as a leader by all he faced, proving himself a worthy ruler unquestionably in the end, alongside Mera.
That's the kind of Aquaman movie I'd want to see.
My only concern is :
Justice league teaser trailer!
Wonder Woman trailer
Suicide Squad sizzle reel
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/trailers/705325-the-suicide-squad-comic-con-sizzle-reel-brings-the-noise#/slide/1