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  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Leto isn't just a musician, he's a phenomenal actor and from what I've heard his take on Joker is a very different incarnation of what Ledger did. Leto's Joker is a more business savvy and orientated character compared to his predecessors.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    They're just trying to 'recapture the magic' by copying Ledger and changing the look.

    For better or for worse, Jared Leto's Joker isn't copying Ledger. He looks very much like his own thing.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    They're just trying to 'recapture the magic' by copying Ledger and changing the look.

    For better or for worse, Jared Leto's Joker isn't copying Ledger. He looks very much like his own thing.

    Exactly - he looks different, but the same underneath. I'm sure this pop singer is very talented but they should have hired someone else. That would've made more sense. But like I said, Chris Nolan has hired Harry Styles to star in his WW2 drama 'Dunkirk', so maybe this is a trend that is starting.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    They're just trying to 'recapture the magic' by copying Ledger and changing the look.

    For better or for worse, Jared Leto's Joker isn't copying Ledger. He looks very much like his own thing.

    Exactly - he looks different, but the same underneath. I'm sure this pop singer is very talented but they should have hired someone else. That would've made more sense. But like I said, Chris Nolan has hired Harry Styles to star in his WW2 drama 'Dunkirk', so maybe this is a trend that is starting.

    That's actually not what I said about the actor Jared Leto at all.
  • RC7RC7
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    They're just trying to 'recapture the magic' by copying Ledger and changing the look.

    For better or for worse, Jared Leto's Joker isn't copying Ledger. He looks very much like his own thing.

    Exactly - he looks different, but the same underneath. I'm sure this pop singer is very talented but they should have hired someone else. That would've made more sense. But like I said, Chris Nolan has hired Harry Styles to star in his WW2 drama 'Dunkirk', so maybe this is a trend that is starting.

    Jared Leto is an Oscar winning actor.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    When I heard Leto's voice in the first trailer he was in, I thought he was imitating Heath Ledger, but he seems to have subtly changed his voice since then, which pleases me. I still think his Joker looks like sh*t and won't be anywhere near as powerful as Ledger's performance.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited July 2016 Posts: 23,883
    There's something rather Batman and Robin 'esque about Leto's appearance as the Joker to me. Camp. I hope he is able to rise above it with his performance.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    They're just trying to 'recapture the magic' by copying Ledger and changing the look.

    For better or for worse, Jared Leto's Joker isn't copying Ledger. He looks very much like his own thing.

    Exactly - he looks different, but the same underneath. I'm sure this pop singer is very talented but they should have hired someone else. That would've made more sense. But like I said, Chris Nolan has hired Harry Styles to star in his WW2 drama 'Dunkirk', so maybe this is a trend that is starting.

    Jared Leto is an Oscar winning actor.

    I thought you didn't care so much for...Oscars ;-).
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    They're just trying to 'recapture the magic' by copying Ledger and changing the look.

    For better or for worse, Jared Leto's Joker isn't copying Ledger. He looks very much like his own thing.

    Exactly - he looks different, but the same underneath. I'm sure this pop singer is very talented but they should have hired someone else. That would've made more sense. But like I said, Chris Nolan has hired Harry Styles to star in his WW2 drama 'Dunkirk', so maybe this is a trend that is starting.

    Jared Leto is an Oscar winning actor.

    Yeah, so is Halle Berry.
  • RC7RC7
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    They're just trying to 'recapture the magic' by copying Ledger and changing the look.

    For better or for worse, Jared Leto's Joker isn't copying Ledger. He looks very much like his own thing.

    Exactly - he looks different, but the same underneath. I'm sure this pop singer is very talented but they should have hired someone else. That would've made more sense. But like I said, Chris Nolan has hired Harry Styles to star in his WW2 drama 'Dunkirk', so maybe this is a trend that is starting.

    Jared Leto is an Oscar winning actor.

    Yeah, so is Halle Berry.

    You've clearly not seen Leto act.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    They're just trying to 'recapture the magic' by copying Ledger and changing the look.

    For better or for worse, Jared Leto's Joker isn't copying Ledger. He looks very much like his own thing.

    Exactly - he looks different, but the same underneath. I'm sure this pop singer is very talented but they should have hired someone else. That would've made more sense. But like I said, Chris Nolan has hired Harry Styles to star in his WW2 drama 'Dunkirk', so maybe this is a trend that is starting.

    Jared Leto is an Oscar winning actor.

    Yeah, so is Halle Berry.

    You've clearly not seen Leto act.

    And you've clearly not heard him sing. Awful voice. Not a good choice for Joker.
  • RC7RC7
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    They're just trying to 'recapture the magic' by copying Ledger and changing the look.

    For better or for worse, Jared Leto's Joker isn't copying Ledger. He looks very much like his own thing.

    Exactly - he looks different, but the same underneath. I'm sure this pop singer is very talented but they should have hired someone else. That would've made more sense. But like I said, Chris Nolan has hired Harry Styles to star in his WW2 drama 'Dunkirk', so maybe this is a trend that is starting.

    Jared Leto is an Oscar winning actor.

    Yeah, so is Halle Berry.

    You've clearly not seen Leto act.

    And you've clearly not heard him sing. Awful voice. Not a good choice for Joker.

    With all that singing he'll be doing.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    They're just trying to 'recapture the magic' by copying Ledger and changing the look.

    For better or for worse, Jared Leto's Joker isn't copying Ledger. He looks very much like his own thing.

    Exactly - he looks different, but the same underneath. I'm sure this pop singer is very talented but they should have hired someone else. That would've made more sense. But like I said, Chris Nolan has hired Harry Styles to star in his WW2 drama 'Dunkirk', so maybe this is a trend that is starting.

    Jared Leto is an Oscar winning actor.

    Yeah, so is Halle Berry.

    You've clearly not seen Leto act.

    And you've clearly not heard him sing. Awful voice. Not a good choice for Joker.

    With all that singing he'll be doing.

    I have heard that they will finish Suicide Squad with a big musical number.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Leto is a committed, transformative actor that constantly pushes himself and explores different character psychologies with heart and dedication. I'm not too sure about the DCEU Joker, but there is no denying he's one hell of a goddamn actor, and one of the best of his generation. All this talk of music is bullshit and misses the point entirely. He's not paid for anything else but his performance, and that's it.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited July 2016 Posts: 15,715
    Leto has a very impressive filmography - Fight Club, Thin Red Line, Requiem for a Dream, Lord of War, Dallas Buyers Club. And can totally transform himself.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited July 2016 Posts: 8,395
    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    Leto has a very impressive filmography - Fight Club, Thin Red Line, Requiem for a Dream, Lord of War, Dallas Buyers Club. And can totally transform himself.

    Michael Jackson totally transformed himself. He must have been a brilliant actor as well.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I'll be watching the killing joke in a couple of hours!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I can't stop watching the JL, WW & SS trailers. I'm totally pumped for DC's output going forward.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I can't stop watching the JL, WW & SS trailers. I'm totally pumped for DC's output going forward.

    Same here, @bondjames! I did enjoy 'Man of Steel' and 'BvS' (not as much as the Nolan Batman trilogy, that's true) but damn does these next 3 films look exciting.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I can't stop watching the JL, WW & SS trailers. I'm totally pumped for DC's output going forward.

    That's what I'm like for Star Wars. It's exciting times, despite a lack of the man in the tux.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I can't stop watching the JL, WW & SS trailers. I'm totally pumped for DC's output going forward.

    I'm really pumped and have a lot more faith for SS and WW. My issue with justice league is, Snyder 9 times out of 10 knows how to put together a great trailer but the end result of the actual film is a different story. That being said, the JL trailer looks promising but I can't get too pumped as I've been burned many times over by Snyder. I'm really hoping the film isn't a let down.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Yes, me too. I think he'll learn from the negative reaction to BvS though. What I see looks quite positive so far and that's all I've got to go on.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Knowing Snyder, we'll get Superman for the last 30 minutes of the movie, and that's it. JL looks a mess so far, with poor chemistry between the cast beyond Ben and Gal, who already had BvS to settle into their roles.

    Ezra Miller's Flash is going to be the death of me, that much is certain.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    We really have polar opposite views on this matter, @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7! No grudges between us, I hope.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I don't honestly see anything mind-blowing about any of these upcoming films. Suicide Squad seems like a bad idea. Even knowing that Darkseid is out there in the DCEU, the Justice League don't feel like they have a need to come together, like they're being drawn together very unnaturally. Wonder Woman has always been a character I felt worked better among the ensemble of the League rather than off on her own.

    All in all, I feel as though the DCEU pales in comparison to the Arrowverse on TV. The DCEU has a bigger budget and bigger names, and throws them together without trying to make them fit cohesively, while the Arrowverse takes the time to make everything work right.

    If the DCEU is to have a future, then perhaps WB and DC should hand the universe over to the Arrowverse people, or perhaps work more toward expanding the Arrowverse itself instead. Otherwise, I think we'll continue to get lackluster films that bastardize the source material in a way that only Zack Snyder enjoys.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Agent007391 wrote: »
    I don't honestly see anything mind-blowing about any of these upcoming films. Suicide Squad seems like a bad idea. Even knowing that Darkseid is out there in the DCEU, the Justice League don't feel like they have a need to come together, like they're being drawn together very unnaturally. Wonder Woman has always been a character I felt worked better among the ensemble of the League rather than off on her own.

    All in all, I feel as though the DCEU pales in comparison to the Arrowverse on TV. The DCEU has a bigger budget and bigger names, and throws them together without trying to make them fit cohesively, while the Arrowverse takes the time to make everything work right.

    If the DCEU is to have a future, then perhaps WB and DC should hand the universe over to the Arrowverse people, or perhaps work more toward expanding the Arrowverse itself instead. Otherwise, I think we'll continue to get lackluster films that bastardize the source material in a way that only Zack Snyder enjoys.

    Couldn't have said it any better, @Agent007391.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    So it is canon in the DCEU that Harley's original outfit from the comics was her own go-to getup pre-incarceration? Interesting...
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Just a mythology gag shamelessly thrown in to have a mythology gag, with no thought put into it at all.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Saw some 'Suicide Squad' trailer today (not sure what got me to watch it) that was pretty lengthy and from Comic-Con, I suppose? Pretty much solidified why I won't be seeing it; not sure if it was contained in all the other trailers, as I still can't really make sense of just what the movie is about, but yeah, another:
    Comic book movie where they're fighting a random CG army, because why not? Don't think I saw a single bit of them until this recent trailer. Maybe I'm blind, or maybe I just had the poor luck of only seeing a trailer that didn't contain them. Who knows.
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