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SS is a very weak entry but at least that first hour or so is enjoyable. At least it's trying to go for something. It fails, that's for sure, but at least there is a climax of people doing something.
Well, to be frank, I wouldn't mind switching SS and WW84 in my ranking. Don't quite care for either. ;-)
You see, I had the opposite experience with SS. I thought things improved a bit toward the end when the film settled into more of a straightforward formula of action sequences culminating in a good old-fashioned climax that somehow managed to tug on a couple heartstrings, whereas the never-ending introductions and re-introductions of various characters in the first half left me wondering just when the film was ever going to actually begin. But whichever half you prefer, there's no question the film is structurally a mess.
Haha, there is quite a bit of EFNY in there, isn't there? All the flashbacks definitely contributed to the film's structural confusion. The problem is they wanted to tell this EFNY-style Suicide Squad story as well as a Harley and Joker origin story, and the two just did not go together. All the Harley and Joker stuff should have been its own film entirely. It would have been much more appropriate in Birds of Prey, actually.
Suicide Squad had some high points. It had a good cast and a cool soundtrack and its own colorful, twisted aesthetic. It just had no direction. As you say, the film was really let down in the editing room.
I have thoughts about this honestly and honestly my changes to the films I actually saw is kind of minimal
Batman V Superman for example, I would literally end the film with Batman Superman and Wonder Woman about to battle with Doomsday. you end the movie with that shot you end the film with an excitement about the next one.
Oh no, no no no no. I'm sick and tired of these "Hobbit" formulas that treat films as just another episode-of-the-week. A film can be a part of a larger continuity, but it has to have a satisfying conclusion to its own story. The Doomsday battle was the exclamation mark to everything showcased in the previous acts. Whether people like it or not, it is the point in the film in which everything congeals. Also, the aftermath of this battle provides fertile ground for the next story. To end right before this battle and have the next one pick things up there, is to demote the film to the level of TV writing.
to be the climax of the film was Batman fighting Superman hence the title.
I guess to be fair, Batman hardly needs yet another film to establish him. We know who Batman is at this point. And I think kicking off with a new Batman who has been around the block quite a few times was a nice way of doing it.
I don’t really think the title of the film was meant to suggest that it was only going to be a fight between Batman and Superman. If it had, then it would’ve been called Batman VS Superman. Instead, the title “Batman V Superman” is meant to explore the philosophical differences between each character, to present a compare/contrast between each hero, something akin to a court case if you will. I leave the question of whether the film actually did that to each viewer, but there is a reason they chose “V” instead of “VS”
It would have been more beneficial to the other characters as opposed to Batman - your Jokers, your Harley Quinns, etc.
Which is easy. You just introduce them when Batman has already been around for awhile. Sort of like what they seem to be doing with THE BATMAN where our hero is already well established and cooperating with the police force, but the Riddler is a brand new character making his entrance.
Yep. Pretty much. I thought it would have been nice had we seen more of Harley before her transformation - akin to Selina in Batman Returns. Any of the stuff with Joker in Arkham would have fit nicely into a film that had A Death In The Family influences. I would have ended it with what became the opening scene of Batman v Superman - Bruce seeing Superman in the sky for the first time.
Now, of course, there is only so much you can fix with that. Even if they had taken their time, you're still going to have things like Leto's casting as Joker and the arguments surrounding that. Some things you can't fix, even in your mind!
I agree. While that would have been a thrilling way to cut to end credits—Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman standing together for the first time, ready to face an enemy as one—it would have ultimately left me disappointed that we didn't get to see the showdown and would also have left me wondering what Wonder Woman was doing in the film in the first place. In fact, the film still does kind of have that effect. She really doesn't need to be there. It's Bruce and Clark's story. But then that goes back to my earlier point of how DC is having to shoe-horn introductions into other characters' stories just to try to catch up with Marvel.
In a weird way, Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy, as successful as it was, handicapped DC in this regard by being its own closed-off thing. And for some reason DC is still trying out these non-continuity pictures like Joker and Reeves' The Batman. It ultimately comes off kind of like throwing things at the wall and seeing what will stick. But who knows, with all this new business about Spider-man bringing Raimi's verse into the fold and DC doing the same with Burton's Batman maybe everything will wind up a part of the same continuity at some point, haha. I wouldn't rule out that we haven't seen the last of Bale as Batman yet either.
Oh sure, I was just responding to the mention of BvsS.
No problem @DarthDimi
I will post some more later 👍
It seems so long ago now, especially with the films delay. It was very strange seeing how much my workplace was in the film when I watched it.
Shame the film itself was rather meh... 😕
Yeah, I agree. I thought it was good fun at first, but switched to "baaaaaad" upon my second viewing.
The Max Lord office set I snuck into...
The office set under construction
External goings on
I was working in a place a year or two back where they were filming the Guy Richie film The Gentlemen outside, and we were all marvelling at Matthew McConaughey from the canteen window, and I remember the young lady serving at the counter said she was going off next week to be in WW84! :)
People get quite shocked when the come across our vast building in Kingswood..😁
Film companies love it...
(And oddly enough, doubling for a building in Washington DC both times.)
😄 It has that look about it!
WW84 shot more stuff there than anyone else. The production were there for 9 weeks.
I had the exact same thought. Also considering the fact that in case reshoots were needed, the logistics behind securing that same location again would be more of a nightmare than simply rebuilding a few sets, no?