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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Is anyone going to read "Release the Snyder Cut", the book?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Is anyone going to read "Release the Snyder Cut", the book?

    Is that real?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Is anyone going to read "Release the Snyder Cut", the book?

    Is that real?

    It is. You can order it in your bookstore.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Is anyone going to read "Release the Snyder Cut", the book?

    Is that real?

    It is. You can order it in your bookstore.

    Thank you for the info!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited March 2021 Posts: 24,187
    The reason I'm hesitant, to be frank, is that this book has already come out. I'd have assumed myself that they would at the very least await initial reactions to the film, just to see if it was all worth it in a final chapter.

    I understand that some folks are most displeased with the way things have gone. Some fans and petitioners appear to have been quite aggressive in their demand for a Snyder Cut, which has led others to suggest that by giving in to their demands, film studios have opened up the gates for a very slippery road towards more ludicrous outbursts from the so-called entitled fans.

    On this very forum, we have seen similar plans arise for petitions, open letters and more from deluded fans to EON. These so-called fans (I call them hooligans) somehow feel they have by now earned the right to co-run things at EON, Sony, ... regarding the Bond films. We have read a number of deranged reasonings behind that, from "I paid them enough money in the past" to "I know how to make a Bond film better than Barbara Broccoli." For the record, this forum and its host website will never condone any such actions from its members when carried out under its own umbrella. But I digress.

    Now, I don't mind a petition or two, you know, just to make our 'wishes' known to the people with power, hoping that when enough of us have signed on, they would consider throwing that as yet unreleased score on a CD anyway, or give us the original theatrical cut of a movie as the "B side" to more recent releases (Star Wars anyone?). But humbly voicing our wishes is not the same thing as crowdfunding a rather aggressive campaign based on fist-on-the-table demands, spreading videos of people burning their DVDs of a theatrical cut and whatnot. In other words, we can politely request but should never pressure others, or so I think. We're still fans; we don't own those properties and the execs don't really owe us anything. But apparently, things were a bit rough at some point, and yet WB yielded and gave Snyder enough dough to fix us a new cut of JL. Obviously I'm thrilled, but at the same time somewhat ashamed of "fellow-fans" (again, more like hooligans) who went ballistic over this. I want WB and Snyder to mutually agree to do this, and surely they have, as a positive thing, instead of feeling pressured by an angry mob. I doubt the angry-mob model will suddenly dictate things in the business, don't worry, but some journalists have voiced a certain level of discontent, understandingly in my opinion, with the #ReleasetheSnyderCut movement going a little bonkers and WB giving in to their demands anyway. I hope that this book, "Release the Snyder Cut", will examine this phenomenon properly.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited March 2021 Posts: 25,177
    Non spoiler reviews on YouTube for the Snyder Cut movie shows are buzzing about it. I am so happy for Zach.

    Avoid the IGN non spoiler review, if you are well versed in DC comics they give away a major plot point, basically it's obvious what the reviewer is alluding to.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2021 Posts: 16,427
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    On this very forum, we have seen similar plans arise for petitions, open letters and more from deluded fans to EON. These so-called fans (I call them hooligans) somehow feel they have by now earned the right to co-run things at EON, Sony, ... regarding the Bond films. We have read a number of deranged reasonings behind that, from "I paid them enough money in the past" to "I know how to make a Bond film better than Barbara Broccoli." For the record, this forum and its host website will never condone any such actions from its members when carried out under its own umbrella. But I digress.

    Wasn't there an open letter from MI6.co.uk to Eon to postpone NTTD last year?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    mtm wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    On this very forum, we have seen similar plans arise for petitions, open letters and more from deluded fans to EON. These so-called fans (I call them hooligans) somehow feel they have by now earned the right to co-run things at EON, Sony, ... regarding the Bond films. We have read a number of deranged reasonings behind that, from "I paid them enough money in the past" to "I know how to make a Bond film better than Barbara Broccoli." For the record, this forum and its host website will never condone any such actions from its members when carried out under its own umbrella. But I digress.

    Wasn't there an open letter from MI6.co.uk to Eon to postpone NTTD last year?

    Somehow completely different, for whatever reason.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    On this very forum, we have seen similar plans arise for petitions, open letters and more from deluded fans to EON. These so-called fans (I call them hooligans) somehow feel they have by now earned the right to co-run things at EON, Sony, ... regarding the Bond films. We have read a number of deranged reasonings behind that, from "I paid them enough money in the past" to "I know how to make a Bond film better than Barbara Broccoli." For the record, this forum and its host website will never condone any such actions from its members when carried out under its own umbrella. But I digress.

    Wasn't there an open letter from MI6.co.uk to Eon to postpone NTTD last year?

    Asking them to postpone a release amidst a pandemic is entirely different from demanding EON folks to sit down with us, listen to our ideas for the next Bond film, take notes and then make that movie, or else.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2021 Posts: 16,427
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    On this very forum, we have seen similar plans arise for petitions, open letters and more from deluded fans to EON. These so-called fans (I call them hooligans) somehow feel they have by now earned the right to co-run things at EON, Sony, ... regarding the Bond films. We have read a number of deranged reasonings behind that, from "I paid them enough money in the past" to "I know how to make a Bond film better than Barbara Broccoli." For the record, this forum and its host website will never condone any such actions from its members when carried out under its own umbrella. But I digress.

    Wasn't there an open letter from MI6.co.uk to Eon to postpone NTTD last year?

    Asking them to postpone a release amidst a pandemic is entirely different from demanding EON folks to sit down with us, listen to our ideas for the next Bond film, take notes and then make that movie, or else.

    Okay. Seems quite similar to me (an open letter from fans telling them what they think they should do), but fair enough.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    On this very forum, we have seen similar plans arise for petitions, open letters and more from deluded fans to EON. These so-called fans (I call them hooligans) somehow feel they have by now earned the right to co-run things at EON, Sony, ... regarding the Bond films. We have read a number of deranged reasonings behind that, from "I paid them enough money in the past" to "I know how to make a Bond film better than Barbara Broccoli." For the record, this forum and its host website will never condone any such actions from its members when carried out under its own umbrella. But I digress.

    Wasn't there an open letter from MI6.co.uk to Eon to postpone NTTD last year?

    Asking them to postpone a release amidst a pandemic is entirely different from demanding EON folks to sit down with us, listen to our ideas for the next Bond film, take notes and then make that movie, or else.

    Okay. Seems quite similar to me (an open letter from fans telling them what they think they should do),.

    No, it really isn't. Our hosts never asked to be involved in the creative process. Nor did they act up as spoiled children setting standards for the output of Bond films (we want one every two years!). They're not demanding a different cut of a movie, scenes to be inserted back into the movie or someone else to have a go at it than the currently hired director. They asked to consider the release date of the movie in the middle of a global pandemic. The open letter is where the similarity ends. And that is not the point I was making. So no, not similar, not "quite", not even a little.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    On this very forum, we have seen similar plans arise for petitions, open letters and more from deluded fans to EON. These so-called fans (I call them hooligans) somehow feel they have by now earned the right to co-run things at EON, Sony, ... regarding the Bond films. We have read a number of deranged reasonings behind that, from "I paid them enough money in the past" to "I know how to make a Bond film better than Barbara Broccoli." For the record, this forum and its host website will never condone any such actions from its members when carried out under its own umbrella. But I digress.

    Wasn't there an open letter from MI6.co.uk to Eon to postpone NTTD last year?

    Asking them to postpone a release amidst a pandemic is entirely different from demanding EON folks to sit down with us, listen to our ideas for the next Bond film, take notes and then make that movie, or else.

    I remember that one. That was very amusing. Between the lines, he basically wanted to be a producer. It's even more amusing considering the guy who started the #ReleaseTheSnyderCut "movement" is credited as an Associate Producer now, I think. Brass balls pay off sometimes!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    On this very forum, we have seen similar plans arise for petitions, open letters and more from deluded fans to EON. These so-called fans (I call them hooligans) somehow feel they have by now earned the right to co-run things at EON, Sony, ... regarding the Bond films. We have read a number of deranged reasonings behind that, from "I paid them enough money in the past" to "I know how to make a Bond film better than Barbara Broccoli." For the record, this forum and its host website will never condone any such actions from its members when carried out under its own umbrella. But I digress.

    Wasn't there an open letter from MI6.co.uk to Eon to postpone NTTD last year?

    Asking them to postpone a release amidst a pandemic is entirely different from demanding EON folks to sit down with us, listen to our ideas for the next Bond film, take notes and then make that movie, or else.

    I remember that one. That was very amusing. Between the lines, he basically wanted to be a producer. It's even more amusing considering the guy who started the #ReleaseTheSnyderCut "movement" is credited as an Associate Producer now, I think. Brass balls pay off sometimes!

    It does, doesn't it, @CraigMooreOHMSS? :D Again, one of the reasons why I'd love to read that book if, at least, it talks about these things.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2021 Posts: 16,427
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    On this very forum, we have seen similar plans arise for petitions, open letters and more from deluded fans to EON. These so-called fans (I call them hooligans) somehow feel they have by now earned the right to co-run things at EON, Sony, ... regarding the Bond films. We have read a number of deranged reasonings behind that, from "I paid them enough money in the past" to "I know how to make a Bond film better than Barbara Broccoli." For the record, this forum and its host website will never condone any such actions from its members when carried out under its own umbrella. But I digress.

    Wasn't there an open letter from MI6.co.uk to Eon to postpone NTTD last year?

    Asking them to postpone a release amidst a pandemic is entirely different from demanding EON folks to sit down with us, listen to our ideas for the next Bond film, take notes and then make that movie, or else.

    Okay. Seems quite similar to me (an open letter from fans telling them what they think they should do),.

    No, it really isn't. Our hosts never asked to be involved in the creative process. Nor did they act up as spoiled children setting standards for the output of Bond films (we want one every two years!). They're not demanding a different cut of a movie, scenes to be inserted back into the movie or someone else to have a go at it than the currently hired director. They asked to consider the release date of the movie in the middle of a global pandemic. The open letter is where the similarity ends. And that is not the point I was making. So no, not similar, not "quite", not even a little.

    As I said: fair enough. We'll agree to disagree.

    I'm not going to search out lots of reviews but I see the new cut has meant Empire has given it three stars as opposed to the original cut's two:
    https://www.empireonline.com/movies/reviews/zack-snyder-justice-league/
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited March 2021 Posts: 8,218
    Matt Zoller Seitz gives the Snyder Cut 3.5/4.



    For comparison - he gave MoS three stars out of four, BvS 2.5 stars out of four, and the previous cut of JL three stars out of four.

    It really is strange to see critics embracing a Snyder film this way!
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Matt Zoller Seitz gives the Snyder Cut 3.5/4.



    For comparison - he gave MoS three stars out of four, BvS 2.5 stars out of four, and the previous cut of JL three stars out of four.

    It really is strange to see critics embracing a Snyder film this way!

    It must feel like Adam Sandler in Punch-Drunk Love, getting good reviews! They laughed at Paul Thomas Anderson when he said he wanted to make a Sandler comedy. They both got award nominations, and it’s still some of their best work.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2021 Posts: 16,427
    I looked at a couple of reviews and it seems to be mostly 'it's better but still flawed' which I can deal with. Not rave reviews but not actually bad. I'll be giving it a watch. I might even do the whole thing in one go if I don't get a booking on Friday.
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    Matt Zoller Seitz gives the Snyder Cut 3.5/4.

    I lost some respect for Seitz when he started his review of Spectre with this:
    "James Bond films are, and always have been, more imitative than innovative. Even in the 1960s they were essentially superhero movies starring an indestructible character who wore street clothes (and the occasional wet suit) instead of tights and a cape. He ran, jumped, drove and flew through loosely connected setpieces that borrowed whatever cliches happened to be popular in action cinema at that moment and amped them up with more beautiful locations, bigger explosions, cornier jokes, and lush, loud music by John Barry."
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Revelator wrote: »
    Matt Zoller Seitz gives the Snyder Cut 3.5/4.

    I lost some respect for Seitz when he started his review of Spectre with this:
    "James Bond films are, and always have been, more imitative than innovative. Even in the 1960s they were essentially superhero movies starring an indestructible character who wore street clothes (and the occasional wet suit) instead of tights and a cape. He ran, jumped, drove and flew through loosely connected setpieces that borrowed whatever cliches happened to be popular in action cinema at that moment and amped them up with more beautiful locations, bigger explosions, cornier jokes, and lush, loud music by John Barry."

    The words of a casual observer, if ever there were any. I kind of understand where that kind of thinking (even if it's obviously not correct) would come in for casual fans, considering how long Bond has been in the zeitgeist. Ebert also had some strange views when it came to Bond, if I remember correctly?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited March 2021 Posts: 24,187
    mtm wrote: »
    As I said: fair enough. We'll agree to disagree.

    If you equate our hosts politely and modestly asking to consider a safe way to experience NTTD to entitled fans with silly claims to the keys of the kingdom, just because they wrote an open letter too, yes, then we must disagree. /:)
    mtm wrote: »
    I looked at a couple of reviews and it seems to be mostly 'it's better but still flawed' which I can deal with. Not rave reviews but not actually bad. I'll be giving it a watch. I might even do the whole thing in one go if I don't get a booking on Friday.

    I had never any hopes that a troubled production could be fixed with this cut, so I too am okay with reviews of an imperfect but improved film. My plans were to sit the film out in one night, but I'll have to sort of plan it in. Four hours is quite something after all. ;-)
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Due to work I will have to wait till Friday, though I intend to watch it in one four hour sitting undisturbed.

    I have not watched the 2017 Justice League recently which I am happy about, its not a film I watch often so it won't impact on my viewing of the Snyder Cut that much.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Due to work I will have to wait till Friday, though I intend to watch it in one four hour sitting undisturbed.

    I have not watched the 2017 Justice League recently which I am happy about, its not a film I watch often so it won't impact on my viewing of the Snyder Cut that much.

    Very good point. I've seen the film four times so far, once in the theatre when it came out. The last time was last Summer. I expect little trouble spotting most of the differences, tweaks and inserts, as well as the new score (as I have listened to the Elfman score often in the past few years.) Part of me wishes I could have gone in 'clean', a virgin viewing of sorts.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Due to work I will have to wait till Friday, though I intend to watch it in one four hour sitting undisturbed.

    I have not watched the 2017 Justice League recently which I am happy about, its not a film I watch often so it won't impact on my viewing of the Snyder Cut that much.

    Very good point. I've seen the film four times so far, once in the theatre when it came out. The last time was last Summer. I expect little trouble spotting most of the differences, tweaks and inserts, as well as the new score (as I have listened to the Elfman score often in the past few years.) Part of me wishes I could have gone in 'clean', a virgin viewing of sorts.

    From what I gather from some non spoiler reviews some of the scenes we have already seen are presented very differently due to tone and length of scenes.

    MoS and BvS I watch often, JL 2017 I have never accepted it as a continuation of the first two films.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Revelator wrote: »
    Matt Zoller Seitz gives the Snyder Cut 3.5/4.

    I lost some respect for Seitz when he started his review of Spectre with this:
    "James Bond films are, and always have been, more imitative than innovative. Even in the 1960s they were essentially superhero movies starring an indestructible character who wore street clothes (and the occasional wet suit) instead of tights and a cape. He ran, jumped, drove and flew through loosely connected setpieces that borrowed whatever cliches happened to be popular in action cinema at that moment and amped them up with more beautiful locations, bigger explosions, cornier jokes, and lush, loud music by John Barry."

    The words of a casual observer, if ever there were any. I kind of understand where that kind of thinking (even if it's obviously not correct) would come in for casual fans, considering how long Bond has been in the zeitgeist. Ebert also had some strange views when it came to Bond, if I remember correctly?

    Ebert passed away in 2013. This is just a writer from RogerEbert.com.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,218
    Revelator wrote: »
    Matt Zoller Seitz gives the Snyder Cut 3.5/4.

    I lost some respect for Seitz when he started his review of Spectre with this:
    "James Bond films are, and always have been, more imitative than innovative. Even in the 1960s they were essentially superhero movies starring an indestructible character who wore street clothes (and the occasional wet suit) instead of tights and a cape. He ran, jumped, drove and flew through loosely connected setpieces that borrowed whatever cliches happened to be popular in action cinema at that moment and amped them up with more beautiful locations, bigger explosions, cornier jokes, and lush, loud music by John Barry."

    The words of a casual observer, if ever there were any. I kind of understand where that kind of thinking (even if it's obviously not correct) would come in for casual fans, considering how long Bond has been in the zeitgeist. Ebert also had some strange views when it came to Bond, if I remember correctly?

    Ebert passed away in 2013. This is just a writer from RogerEbert.com.

    Yes, I'm aware. I've followed MZS for a long time.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2021 Posts: 16,427
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    As I said: fair enough. We'll agree to disagree.

    If you equate our hosts politely and modestly asking to consider a safe way to experience NTTD to entitled fans with silly claims to the keys of the kingdom, just because they wrote an open letter too, yes, then we must disagree. /:)

    Please, I don't want to argue about this. We just see things differently, that's all.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I looked at a couple of reviews and it seems to be mostly 'it's better but still flawed' which I can deal with. Not rave reviews but not actually bad. I'll be giving it a watch. I might even do the whole thing in one go if I don't get a booking on Friday.

    I had never any hopes that a troubled production could be fixed with this cut, so I too am okay with reviews of an imperfect but improved film. My plans were to sit the film out in one night, but I'll have to sort of plan it in. Four hours is quite something after all. ;-)

    Yeah, I was going to say I could imagine doing it in an afternoon, but I guess being Snyder it's likely to be so dark that it's a film you have to watch after dusk!
    I have not watched the 2017 Justice League recently which I am happy about, its not a film I watch often so it won't impact on my viewing of the Snyder Cut that much.

    Luckily I only saw it once as I thought it was pretty bad, I can remember almost nothing about it. To be honest, this moving up from 2/5 movie to a 3/5 movie makes me think I'm still not likely to love it, but MoS passed the time well enough watching it for the second time last week, so I'm sure this will be fine.
    I watched that Sam Heughan SAS thing last week so it can't be any worse! :)
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    One of my favourite youtubers loved it..

    [url="[youtube]
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    @mtm

    I bought the Justice League 2017 twice despite not liking it, Digital Copy and 4K Disk. I buy pretty much any DC content.

    The only scene that is any good from that version is when Kal El goes into beast mode after he is resurrected and fights the other Justice League members.


    AstonLotus wrote: »
    One of my favourite youtubers loved it..

    [url="[youtube]

    I watched part of his review earlier, Tyrone Magnus is a big Snyder fan like myself. The fact he said its one of the best films he has seen is music to my ears.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I bought the Justice League 2017 twice despite not liking it, Digital Copy and 4K Disk. I buy pretty much any DC content.

    I must admit I'm kind of curious about picking up the Ultimate edition of BvS; I hadn't heard of it but someone mentioned it and apparently it's an improvement. I might grab a second hand copy.
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