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Again.This is a film made for the fans.Not haters like you who is here to endlessly whine about DC fillms you dont like.And its fine if you dont like them,but why waste your time with them as they are obviously not for you?
Chill. Films are for everyone, not just a few people. If you read my post back you'll see I'm not as completely down on it as you like to think. Just because someone doesn't think that something is perfect it doesn't mean they 'hate' it: it is possible to be somewhere in between.
If you actually got your facts right,Snyder made a few changes due to being strongly suggested to him by WB who just wanted a kiddie friendly Marvel type film.He made them to compromise with the studio,not critics.
He even went so far as to agree to shoot Cavill in the red and blue suit for JL when they insisted he dont use the black one.But Snyder shot it with a material where he could edit it in post later to make it black.
You clearly dont like Snyders DC films ( Again which is fine ) but you endlesly whine about them and The Snyder Cut clearly isnt going to change your mind as its a labour of love for the fans who do enjoy his work.I dont like Lord Of The Rings or Harry Potter so i dont waste my time watching them or complaining about them on a message board.
Back on topic,just how awesome was Darkseid? Hed give Thanos nightmares!
I don't like those films either, so I don't watch them. Superhero films however I can enjoy. Please stop your endless whining about me watching a film which I happen to think is a little flawed.
I'll watch the rest tomorrow: seems like the second half is likely to be the better half as everything is a bit more lined up now.
Snyder himself said this: “I don’t care about mainstream, this is for you (the fans)”.
Good thing is that at the end of the day most of the people really enjoyed it and the film ended up being Snyder’s best received film since... Dawn of the Dead.
I wish I could see how that interpretation could come to light.
I thought that would have been an interesting angle for the Superman Lives scripts to go down: that Superman loses his humanity after he's reborn- it would give Lois a nice role in the film to make him human again, sort of a nice reversal of the Superman 2 plot. But I don't think any of them went that way.
However, I did find some of the musical choices very odd. I can only assume it was because they didn’t have access to a full orchestra, but at times I found the music taking me out of scenes instead of drawing me in.
This is dumb.
If someone is a fan of DC heroes, they're allowed to be critical of how DC properties are handled whether it's by Zack Snyder, Christopher Nolan, Richard Donner, Bryan Singer, etc. All is fair game. No property is exempt from praise or criticism. Once it's put out for the public, everyone is allowed their opinion to be expressed, no matter how much it bothers YOU.
Flash: “I don’t know what to do, I’ve never been in battle, I don’t know if I can help these people.”
Batman: “Save just one.”
Flash: “Which one?”
Batman: “Don’t think, just do it. Get in, get out.”
Flash: “And then what do I do next?”
Batman: “You’ll know.”
It’s a good bit because it shows Batman’s experience with having worked with Robin before and that it shows him as a natural team leader, even if he doesn’t see himself like that.
I wouldn’t use all the Whedon material of course. There’s aspects Snyder pulled off better “he’s never faced us, not together”.
It also goes without saying I would trim the crap out of all the excessive fat. I actually want to watch this again, but I don’t want to endure 4 freaking hours. That’s just insane.
But then that epilogue absolutely kills it. Like everything else in the film it goes on for ages, but this time I honestly don't know what was happening (and it didn't help I had to turn the subtitles on to actually understand what Batman was saying! :) ) Another dream sequence which I don't know is relevant or just speaks of Bruce's state of mind. It seems to be just a load of references to things from the comics rather than anything that works dramatically, because every scene in it left me unsure what it was there for.
Anti-life was mentioned in the half I saw last night but weirdly I'd forgotten what it is by the time I saw the end of this one. It's a big crop circle, I remember that, but I don't know what it is or where it comes from or even who found it.
For all of the stuff added in I do think there's still a bit of a hole where the team itself is concerned: suddenly they're all working together but they've barely met. They just automatically accept each others' presence but I don't feel they ever get to know each other- there aren't any relationships there. The closest you get to that is Flash and Cyborg digging the grave. If you compare with the Avengers that's something that movie gets very right. You know exactly what each character thinks of every other one and you get a sense of relationships forming. In this they're just a team and that's that.
Superman and Wonder Woman feel like they're pretty shortchanged (4 hours!) as they don't really get enough to do. I come out of this wanting to see not another Justice League film, but just a Superman one.
I'm afraid I think it has a really bad score as well. That's just not good music. There's an attempt at a big hero theme as Batman's standing on his massive Thundertank, but it's just... not good.
Anyway, over all as a film it certainly passes the time. I don't think it's bad at all and I can definitely understand people who get the references enjoying it more. It's not quite to my taste but it wasn't something I disliked enough to turn off.
Oh one note on the aspect ratio: when the League pop onto the lake to see Batman's big plane landing, is it me or is there an overhead shot which has actually been squeezed from a widescreen ration to fit into 4:3?
Fundamentally though, my main issue with it is that it sort of undermines the triumph of the final act. We've spent three hours watching this crew come together and we get the satisfaction of seeing them work as a team and prevail against all odds, only for us to be immediately greeted with a scene where they have either gone missing, been killed or turned evil. I get why it's there (I'm assuming Snyder added these scenes with the mindset of "why not?", with it being his alleged last hurrah) but it wasn't a highlight for me. Ending it with the Martian Manhunter scene would have been more than sufficient, and made the film ten minutes shorter.
Speaking of the triumph of seeing them come together as a team, the sheer number of slo mo shots of them standing together on top of a cooling tower like they were having their photo taken did make me laugh :) You only need to put one of those shots in, Zack.
If you wanted to keep the with scenes Luthor, Joker, and Martian Manhunter, just relegate them to mid/post credits like Marvel wisely does.
Suicide Squad had a mid-credits scene with Wayne and Waller, if I remember that one correctly too.
Yes, I must admit even those feel a bit redundant because we know they do all those things- it just feels like more slightly empty imagery played as if it has portentous importance. It just washes over me after a while. Superman had a blue S for a change in that bit though. Nice that he has a few outfits!
Another thing I didn't get: all the time Superman is alive people are moaning and complaining and scared of him, but the second he dies there are statues and flags and banners devoted to him everywhere. I just never felt that love and devotion to him which the response to his death suggested existed. Snyder always wants to go for the sad and melancholic, but unless you show the happiness and joy you can't have the grief.
This is me as a total comics newbie, and it's not a complaint with the film at all but just with me, but I must admit I laughed when Martian Manhunter said his name :D
I'm guessing that bit was a new reshoot too? Because Affleck doesn't look in the same shape at all in that conversation to me as he is in the rest of the film.
All of the Manhunter scenes were done in the pick up shooting, as none of it was filmed during principal photography.
In JL the mid-credits are Flash and Superman commencing a race, and then the post-credits is the scene with Luthor and Deathstroke.
Whedon wisely ended the film exactly where it needed with Superman flying up into the sky. I’m actually amazed that ending montage was mostly Snyder’s work, because it SHOUKD be how you end the film and yet they were immediately followed by those scenes that should have been relegated mid/post-credits.
I'd take a confident guess that Snyder's original intention would have been something similar to Whedon's, in that case - before the idea of adding extra scenes was ever an option for him and it became what we now have. I think I would have preferred the film to end that way, having had a couple of days to think on it now. I really disliked that Joker scene.