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I finished watching both seasons of DOOM PATROL recently had some great concepts, Dalton was excellent as always. Its a shame the 2nd season finished abruptly because of the pandemic I believe, though 3rd season is in production thankfully.
I have all the Superboy episodes, the George one is fun.
People will recognise Lara
The Donner situation was really nothing WB could have done anything about. To be clear, WB actually sold the movie/TV rights to the Salkinds which gave them full creative authority over the films. The only real involvement WB had was when it came to marketing and distribution. This is why when the opening credits start it always opens with ALEXANDER SALKIND PRESENTS rather than WARNER PICTURES PRESENTS. There’s even that time when the Salkinds decided that they did all they could with the property and sold it to Cannon Films, which is what lead to SUPERMAN IV.
WB would not regain all the rights to Superman until 1992, which is what immediately lead to LOIS & CLARK and the cancellation of the Salkinds’ SUPERBOY TV series.
Ironically, Donner has had a better relationship with WB than he ever had with the Salkinds. Look at his resume and he has a very long history with that studio, providing them major hits as both a producer and director from GOONIES, THE LOST BOYS, LETHAL WEAPON, FREE WILLY, MAVERICK, etc. Perhaps had WB actually been in charge instead of the Salkinds, the studio would have likely shown more loyalty to Donner and let him run the Superman franchise no different than they let him direct all four Lethal Weapon films.
Fans love BVS.Especially the ultimate cut.If they didnt then there wouldnt be such a clamour for the Snyder Cut of JL.Also,the recent Imax releaseof the film on 4k sold out everywhere in the states.
Ultimately, they got their Snyder Cut and should be grateful WB decided to finish it instead of leaving it collecting dust. It’s more than David Ayer will ever get.
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That could be a problem with the trailer. Birds Of Prey got a terrible trailer, yet the film was okay.
If you are speaking to me, then no, I'm quite fond of that film, to be honest. :)
Nah, that was at Lotus and his remarks about kiddie friendly and garish colors. ;)
I’m willing to let the inconsistencies with later films like Aquaman’s trident or exposition bubbles slide since I think of ZSJL existing in its own bubble.
However, the stuff with Darkseid seemingly “forgetting” that the anti-life equation was on the ONE planet where he was defeated is an oddity, and something I would have hoped Snyder might have fixed with additional shootings in 2017.
Get rid of the last half of the epilogue on top of that and that's got us down to nearly three and a half hours.
I must admit I didn't 'get' what the Anti-life thing was. It seemed to be a big crop circle that got mentioned once and then picked up again a couple of hours later (by which time I'd forgotten it), but I had no idea what it was or where it came from and it was a magical macguffin slinged into the plot when they already had one: the Motherboxes. Silly powerful alien things hidden on Earth which would allow the baddie to destroy the world if he finds them. I can swallow one magical macguffin, but adding another 'silly powerful alien thing hidden on Earth which would allow the baddie to destroy the world if he finds it' which somehow you don't have time to explain, use, or even show other than in a dream sequence in four hours of screentime would suggest to me that the plot doesn't need it. It's like Avengers Endgame saying 'oh there's actually ten more infinity stones hidden under the carpet but we'll come to those later' halfway through.
I thought that this Snyderverse edit was fun though (thumbnail kind of spoils it completely, but what the hey):
Yes, I enjoyed that (especially the Frank Miller poses) and I thought the Snyder one really suffered by not having Batman show up until two hours into it. Keaton has thrown Jack Nicholson off a church by the time Affleck puts a cape on! :D
The pace of this film feels a lot like that of the 3.5 hour cut of Watchmen. Snyder takes his time, he's patient, he creates pauses and he allows his film to breathe. He doesn't succumb to the pressure of needing a good action beat every five minutes. Even then, there's so much going on in this movie anyway, lack of action certainly isn't an issue. ;-)
But yeah, Batman comes in rather late.
I enjoyed the Bruce Wayne out-of-costume scenes and yeah, as @DarthDimi points out, those first couple of hours were needed to set-up the other new characters. No issues on that front at all, for me.
Though of course, if it were my film and I could trim all the above mentioned subplots and weaker moments and use that time to have a nice Batman opening scene instead, I'd definitely do it! Nobody is ever going to say no to more Batman.
I want that on a T-shirt! :D
I'll put a word in at the printers!
They'll have to be large orders, to avoid suspicion. Say, uh, ten thousand?
Yes and no, because when he does arrive it's with the rest of the bunch. He doesn't get a solo introduction like WW, Aqua and Superman do. (can't remember when we first see Flash in cossie, might be at the same time?).
The WW in London scene is so strong (obviously you have to ignore the silliness of suicide bombers using a timer, but never mind! :) ) that it's a shame they couldn't do a bit of that for some of the others. She's kind of the only one who feels like a proper heroic superhero for a lot of it.
True. His 'solo' introduction comes as Bruce Wayne mounting a horse in Iceland. My feeling is that Snyder always focuses more on a "here's Bruce Wayne, y'all!" moment, while the Batman is just there. In BvS, we get a powerful shot of Affleck stepping out of a helicopter; Batman is first seen as a dark figure in the shadows from the POV of a nervous police officer. In JL, Affleck gets a few impressive shots in Iceland, while Batman is suddenly there on the roof of the GCPD headquarters. Snyder does, however, give Batman some impressively framed solo moments later in both films. But you're right, @mtm, there aren't any dramatic DUM DUM DUUUM! introductory shots for Batman like what we got in the Burton film or BB for example.
Then again, this is the case in most JLA product I have consumed so far, both in comics as well as in animated films. Batman is usually "just there". ;-)
I think in a proper edit, we don’t see Batman or the heroes suited up until the one hour mark. That allows plenty of time for the heroes to be introduced.