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  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    See, it's bad enough when the fans wage this pointless war but it's just childish when film makers indulge in such classless behaviour. Snyder took shots at Marvel while promoting BvS and that backfired big time; and now Ayer is doing the same. At least Snyder doesnt give a shit and says whatever he wants even if he ends up with egg on his face. Ayer on the oth disingenuinely backtracks. His little rant at comic con only serves to underscore his backtrack isnt sincere. Anyway, reviews for SS are out today, fir his sake lets hope theyre good. SS would be lucky to do GoTg numbers and get the same critical reception.
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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Kevin Smith liked the Phantom Menace, he's not the best judge.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I'm seeing this on Friday and I'm sure I'll enjoy it. DC/WB definitely need this win.
  • RC7RC7
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    Kevin Smith liked the Phantom Menace, he's not the best judge.

    Just the messenger.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Kevin Smith liked the Phantom Menace, he's not the best judge.

    Just the messenger.

    I know, just saying.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Kevin Smith liked the Phantom Menace, he's not the best judge.

    He also didn't like BvS, so it should at least be a slight indicator that SS is drastically different.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Has the review embargo been lifted yet? I'm seeing the film in less then 24 hours. The wait it killing me. This film looks like a big dose of fun.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Kevin Smith liked the Phantom Menace, he's not the best judge.

    He also didn't like BvS, so it should at least be a slight indicator that SS is drastically different.

    I don't think he condemned BvS either, though, if I'm right. I don't know, I can't recall. Smith has always seemed like a sell out to the studios to me. A nice guy, but a sell out nonetheless.
  • Seven_Point_Six_FiveSeven_Point_Six_Five Southern California
    edited August 2016 Posts: 1,257
    I believe the embargo will be lifted in several hours, but it seems some reviewers are jumping the gun.

    I'll be able to make up my own mind on Thurs night, so I am just going to steer clear of any overly detailed reviews for the next few days.

    As far as my expectations go, I suspect the film will go the GoTG and Deadpool route in that the plot and villain will be lackluster and generic but it will overall be fun with some great characters.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited August 2016 Posts: 11,139
    A review from RT critic Chris Evangelista 4/10
    “That’s just a whole lot of pretty and a whole lot of crazy.”
    What does the DC Film Universe want to be? Does it want to ape the success of Marvel by making crowd-pleasing, fairly harmless films, or does it want to strike-out on its own path and cover new ground? DC apparently wants to have it both ways, cutting corners as they go. After the overwhelming chaos of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, a lot of pressure rests on the shoulders of David Ayer’s Suicide Squad — can this strange film about a rag-tag group of villains succeed where Batman v Superman failed?

    No. No it can not. Let’s get a few things out of the way: Suicide Squad is weird. And it’s an interesting kind of weird: awash in black magic, gooey eyeball monsters, and Escape From New York-like explosive neck devices. It has great potential to be a silly, pop-art infused action film in the vein of Guardians of the Galaxy. Or perhaps it could’ve been something darker — a character drama about people who do bad things suddenly learning to do good. Or, as it turns out, it could just be an excuse to have a bunch of costumed actors wander around, shoot guns and crack flat jokes. Ayer has constructed a monumental mess here — a film so haphazardly put together that you get the impression that it was edited using a blender on the “ice crush” setting.

    The set up: cold-blooded government agent Amanda Waller (Viola Davis) comes up with a plan to assemble an expendable team of criminals and metahumans to do the dirty work that good, honest individuals won’t touch. The team includes Harley Quinn (Margot Robbie), girlfriend to the infamous Joker (Jared Leto); master hitman Deadshot (Will Smith); Killer Croc (Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje), half-man, half-crocodile; Captain Boomerang (Jai Courtney), a thief with a penchant for…boomerangs; and Diablo (Jay Hernandez), a man who can harness the power of fire. Leading the team is military man Rick Flagg (Joel Kinnaman), assisted by the sword-wielding Katana (Karen Fukuhara). After a painfully long introduction where Waller goes through each character’s file one by one in order to introduce us to them, all while their stats flash on the screen — because hey, who the hell needs character development when we can just throw it all up on the screen via text? — the main story kicks in. Sort of. Dr. June Moone (Cara Delevingne) has been possessed by a 6000-year-old witch dubbed Enchantress, and she and her giant monster brother set about constructing a doomsday device (oh good, another comic book movie with a big, vague doomsday device) to bring about the end of mankind. The only people who can stop her are Amanda Waller’s newly assembled Task Force X, or “Suicide Squad”, if you will (please don’t). Meanwhile, The Joker is on a quest to get Harley Quinn back, cutting a bloody path across the city towards her.



    Suicide Squad could’ve been a breath of fresh air; something to wash the taste of Batman v Superman away and hint at great things to come. The actors are certainly game, and doing the best they can with what they have. Will Smith makes the biggest impression as Deadshot — there’s really not much to the character, but Smith’s natural charm and charisma make him a winner. Margot Robbie is immensely talented and seemed, in theory, a perfect choice to bring Harley Quinn to life. But the material she’s saddled with leaves much to be desired. Here’s the thing about the relationship between Joker and Harley: it’s terrible and abusive. This isn’t some great dream romance, it’s a nightmare. There are hints here and there that Harley will come to understand how terrible “Mr. J” is, and how better-off she would be without him. Perhaps that exists in a different cut of the film, because it gets totally forgotten here — pushed aside to make it seem as if these two crazy kids are just a couple of sweet lovebirds we’re rooting for. Jay Hernandez’s Diablo is the only character who has anything approaching an arch, and Hernandez is quite good in the part — a damaged soul trying to keep his destructive nature in check. Viola Davis is Viola Davis: one of the best actresses alive. Her Amanda Waller is scary and tough, and a better film would cut down most of the ******** and spend more time with Waller.

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    As for Jared Leto, stepping into the iconic shoes of The Joker, don’t expect a game-changing performance like that of the late Heath Ledger in The Dark Knight. Leto’s Joker, covered in tattoos and dressed like a flashy gangbanger, certainly looks menacing, but the actor plays the character as if he were doing a bad James Cagney impression — he seems moments away from uttering “You dirty rat!” Any chemistry or history that the Joker or Harley might have is glossed over with quick jump-cuts and poor editing. We never get any sense of who this Joker is, or what he’s about. Sure, he’s a bad guy who kills people — but so what? What makes him so unique? Is it all those tattoos? There’s none of the cunning and none of the mischievousness that’s made the character so iconic for so many years. Here he’s just some dumb thug with green hair.

    Ayer’s direction is muddled, needlessly dark and comprised of confusing close-ups. To add insult to injury there are moments where scenes freeze and color and images pop off the screen. It’s goofy and distracting and serves to throw a wrench into any momentum the film is trying to build. Perhaps inspired by Guardians of the Galaxy, the soundtrack is loaded with pop songs. But where the songs in Guardians felt as if they came at just the right moment — used sparingly at the end of big scenes, as well as being tied to a narrative device — Suicide Squad adopts a terrible Top 40 Countdown method to its use of music — one song careens into another which careens into another. And for the love of god, can we please embargo “Sympathy For the Devil” from films for the next 50 years — it’s been done to death.

    Suicide Squad works best when it stops blowing things up. There are only two or three scenes where Ayer lets his film, and characters, breath and these are the best moments of the entire film. Moments like these make these walking, talking cartoons seem more human, and had the film used more of them, Suicide Squad would be in a lot better shape. Instead, there’s just one dull action scene after another. One moment has Will Smith fire approximately five million bullets as the camera lingers, fetishizing all that gunplay. It’s kind of reprehensible. As is the film’s gender politics — almost all of the women here are referred to as “*****es” at least once. You can argue that these characters are, as all the advertising points out, “bad guys”, so of course they’re going to talk like this. That’s fine, except that the film idolizes these people. No matter how many time they may refer to themselves as “bad” it’s clear that Ayer loves and glamorizes these vile jerks.

    Where does the DC film universe go from here? Suicide Squad will no-doubt make big bank at the box office, encouraging execs to soldier on, likely unfazed by any negative reactions. But these films can be so much better. The people involved are talented and capable, so why do they keep falling on their face? Perhaps it’s the material itself — perhaps there’s nothing left to mine from it. Perhaps the joke’s on us.

    From another RT critic 2/4

    https://rogersmovienation.com/2016/08/02/movie-review-what-did-they-do-to-suicide-squad/
  • Posts: 9,853
    Yikes Uhm ok well I will avoid this thread for a few weeks luckily I am seeing my favorite band yes over the next two weekends so that will hopefully keep me on cloud nine long enough till this sucide squad talk dies down.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    The embargo will be up in a little over an hour, apparently, so reviews will flood in then.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Kevin Smith is an extremely positive person, and looks for the good in things when others don't. This often leads to him supporting movies instead of trashing them, as he knows the industry and realizes the difficulty of making great movies like few do, especially since he began in the independent film circuit and fought to make himself known. He's the opposite of a sell-out, he just speaks his mind, with no strings.

    I'm worried about these reviews, honestly. I don't expect positivity...
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, it's funny you mention that, as the entire third act of his latest film is technically an apology to the critics he trashed who hated 'Cop Out.' No joke.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, it's funny you mention that, as the entire third act of his latest film is technically an apology to the critics he trashed who hated 'Cop Out.' No joke.

    Cop Out was a film he made directing from someone else's script, someone else's vision, and he had an infamous clash of ideas with Bruce Willis, so essentially was the director and acted like every idea he had trumped anyone else's; these factors, but mostly the last found their way to making Kevin and his team miserable. If he was apologizing for producing a film he ultimately really struggled at making, probably his most unhappy movie in his career, then I get that.

    A "sell-out" would make the films he was told to make, and serve the industry needs by doing what people like Michael Bay do, creating movies that are bound to make big bucks with nothing in them beyond action and destructo-porn to roll in BO cash. Kevin doesn't care about negative opinions, but he does respect anyone's feelings on his movies and realizes that his brand of filmmaking isn't something that a lot of people will enjoy or react positively to. His films and overall comedy are extremely specific to his own base, and he enjoys giving his fans what they enjoy over anything, as they've stuck with him all along the way. Say what you will, but he's original, imaginative, honest and is thankfully a very positive force in an extremely negative industry.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Under 30 mins to go

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I know we're both counting on this one, @doubleoego. I'll be back around in an hour to "see the news." Fingers crossed, buddy. [-O<
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    not a fan of this property, but good luck anyway. ;)
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited August 2016 Posts: 11,139
    Empire review

    http://www.empireonline.com/movies/s...-squad/review/

    5.9/10 - IGN
    "The DCEU strikes out with Task Force Meh"
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    http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhugh.../#5cdfba0fb44d

    Review: 'Suicide Squad' Lets Bad Guys Shine For Wickedly Good Fun

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    VF:
    Suicide Squad Isn’t Even the Good Kind of Bad


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    If you can believe it, Suicide Squad is even worse than Fantastic Four. At least that mess of a movie had some shimmer of an idea to it. Suicide Squad, trying so lamely to be clever and edgy with all its mortifying music cues and clunky jokes, was only good as a compelling two-and-a-half-minute trailer. As a movie, it really does itself in.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    RT showing a 25% rating for Suicide Squad, of course not many reviews out at this point in time.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Wow, I had no faith in Suicide Squad and I'm surprised by most of these bad reviews.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited August 2016 Posts: 11,139
    Hollywood Reporter gave it a bad review

    Hitflix: B+

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    Hmm well DC is screwed dam it I had such high hopes for a DC cinematic universe... Oh well on to next summer and wonder woman
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I have no hopes for these types of movies in general, but this movie felt so hyped up and amped by all the fans that I, too, am pretty surprised it's getting bad reviews. If this bombs, DC's in trouble. They estimated that it would have a huge opening weekend, but the same thing occurred for BvS, until the mass amount of negative reviews were out and everyone stopped watching it.
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    Which I still don't get why Marvel gets a free pass from all the nonesense they did same with Nolan sorry the dark knight rises was a horrible horrible film it makes Batman v Superman look like corset Kane and yet those films are praised and post Nolan all of DC films will suffer I guess
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    @Creasy47 unless this is a case of critics not understand the point of a mindless fun action blockbuster. Don't forget my usual example, that the original 'Taken' had appalling reviews, but quickly became a sleeper hit and is now regarded as one of the best action films of the last 10 years.

    Either this is another BvS, then DC are in trouble, or another 'Taken', in which case there is still hope.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited August 2016 Posts: 41,009
    @DaltonCraig007, absolutely! We're at the stage these days where if you aren't attempting to win an Oscar, some critics will just loathe your movie. "Fun" equates to a bad time for some people.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I'm literally shocked. I can't believe this is happening all over again...
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    'Suicide Squad' is now at 20% on RT...

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