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I for one will still see this on Friday but the truth of the matter is, the DCEU have established a pattern of distrust and critically unfavourable movies, coupled with WB execs expressing their shortcomings which in the age of social media can either kill or elevate a product. Purely from a financial perspective this is dangerous territory to be in.
WB must be lamenting hard for ousting Alan Horn who's having tremendous success at Disney since he took over as studio boss back in 2012.
There you go. After the BvS situation, one would have thought that if lifting the embargo so ridiculously close to the film being released was going to be a disaster, why do it again if you have a hit on your hands? Answer, because it's the same mess all over again...and this is coming after the fact that Civil War lifted their embargo a whole 2 weeks or thereabouts before it opened up. I can't shake my head enough at WB.
I'll repost this link to the HR article for those that may have missed it but people should read this. It's enlightening.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/suicide-squads-secret-drama-rushed-916693?utm_source=twitter
One of the most batshit insane movies I've ever seen. Yes the plot is very simple, but damn oh damn is the movie insanely entertaining. Just in the first 10 minutes alone, the film has one of the best soundtracks I can think of (what a killer playlist of classic songs). The last hour or so is basically OTT version of 'The Raid', with the main guys/girls killing a sh*tload of creatures while wisecracking jokes (and being total badasses, too).
If you are looking for an 'intelligent' movie, this won't be for you as this is OTT and camp to the max. This is basically the Expendables of the superhero genre of the last 10 years. Loved every minute of it. Crazy, crazy film, if anything the film felt a lot shorter than 2 hours, just non stop action and humour. Would go see it tonight again if I could, but I have 'Jason Bourne' next week.
Disclaimer: I don't read comics so I only base myself on the films, whether from DC or Marvel.
Sounds fun. Which is fine by me.
That's just crazy talk, you know its the law that you are not allowed to like DC movies. Have you been paid off by the studio?
I don't read comics, so for all I know the movie is total shit and is an insult to the original material. All I can say is that it's highly entertaining.
While it is subjective, the reviews mean I won't be checking this one out. I don't let critics do my thinking for me (still looking forward to Jason Bourne for instance), it's just that I've more or less given up on superhero films to be honest (although Deadpool, which I watched recently, was a nice surprise) so if it's badly reviewed I can't really muster up any enthusiasm. I was cautiously optmistic for this because of David Ayer's involvement. Unfortunately this seems more Sabotage (a messy POS) than Training Day or End Of Watch. Oh well. My wife did want to see it though so might end up watching it anyway, depends on whether the reviews sway her.
Or maybe rather than some big conspiracy where people are bullied out of it and aren't "allowed", people just don't think they're very good?
It's more 'The Expendables' than 'The Dark Knight', the character are just there to crack jokes and shoot at stuff. Plot extremely linear.
I just excuse it because it was very, very fun. 'Taken' was an extremely simple film, but it was entertaining.
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Joker:
These are not things comic fans want to hear. :-<
I'm glad you were able to enjoy it though.
Months back when there were talks of all these reshoots I knew something was up and then with the embargo release, that pretty much confirmed my suspicions and now look at the results. I wasn't expecting much but not this level of bad. That article from the HR that I posted says it all. Ayer wrote the script for this in 6 weeks! :)) Crazy. Is anyone here familiar with why and how the Green Lantern film came about? The story behind it is unbelievable.
I agree with what @TheLivingRoyale stated about reviews. I think reviews particularly in this instant digital age play a huge role. The cost of going to the cinema can be expensive depending on where you live and with alternatives readily available, many people are more cautious as to where and what they spend their money on. The fact that there's this pointless petition calling for the banning of RT with over 10,000 signatures in less than 24 hours is proof of this. Obviously money talks and is the deciding factor but anyone who thinks that reviews don't play a part to degree are kidding themselves.
Fat chance of that happening. It'll be lucky to break $600million. The film isn't even getting a China release. WB are just haemorrhaging cash and really don't know wtf they're doing. When you factor the budget of this, plus marketing and the separate cost for the reshoots, this thing would need close to $900MILLION! Crazy crazy crazy!
On the 'Taken' scale of 'linear plot + limited character development + high entertaining value', I'd give it a very high score. On the 'Dark Knight' scale, it would fare much worse.
China only allows a select number of foreign films to be released in the country each year and SS didn't make the cut.
I understand, but fans are going to be wanting to see a lot more than action out of this movie. They want to see Leto's Joker make a big statement and see his dynamic with Harley. They want to see the Project X members fleshed out and made interesting as in the comics, and given life.
If it's just two hours of some okay action and good songs with no driving story/mission or characters that don't react or change to what's facing them, I wonder what the point of it is at all.
This film seems to be following the Guardians of the Galaxy route, where unknown characters are being lifted from the comics pages to the movie screen in a plot that utilizes stylish action and some classic music to give it flair. Where it seems SS differs from GotG is that in the latter, there was real heart in the movie with the characters all having development from start to finish, and where the music was less scene dressing and used more as a symbolic part of the story and a representation of the characters' actions and the stakes facing them in interesting ways. It's pacing was solid and its editing streamlined, as was its control over tone.
I'm not hearing any of that about SS, and it worries me. Jeremy Jahns has given the only review I've seen that isn't complimentary in a back-handed kind of way, but that shows genuine enjoyment of the film, and that just blows my mind when everyone else I go to for film criticism is telling everyone to give it a skip.
1. I can't help thinking this whole "how dare critics not like SUICIDE SQUAD" thing is the logical conclusion of social media bubbles.
2. The net encourages us to build our own communities, but those communities naturally tend towards like-minded isolation.
3. So there's "DC rocks, Marvel sucks" and "Marvel rules, DC drools", and each group fosters its own enthusiasms for things.
4. And people who spend a -lot- of time online get really invested in their thing being successful. It's the same tribalism as pro sports.
5. And just as it is with sports, you get hard stats mixed up with personal preferences and a great deal of magical thinking.
6. "Superman is awesome, why don't people love the new movie" is the same as "This team I like is THE BEST, why can't they win a series".
7. And because the overcommitted fan base for both comics and sports is predominantly male, there's also a streak of bro-based entitlement.
8. Factor in the marketing of SUICIDE SQUAD as "wicked awesome transgressive" and you can see how that might play into that psychology.
9. If you didn't like BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DEATH OF JOY, you didn't "get" what Zack Snyder was trying to do with the characters ...
10. ... but if you don't like SUICIDE SQUAD, you're a pussy. I have yet to see the film; I'm just paraphrasing the response to critics.
11. It's more that they're finally being catered to after decades of being ignored, and they can't handle the power.
12. So now we're at a point where every single piece of information is treated as The Precious for fans to embrace or reject at will.
13. And when a given movie finally arrives, its quality is not as important as its statistical performance on Rotten Tomatoes.
14. Because what fans seek most is validation -- they want the world to agree with them that their chosen team or franchise is The Best.
15. It all comes down to an essential insecurity, which is why they're embracing superhero power fantasies in the first place.
16. And if you're on one side, then everyone else must be on the other side. Or on the other side's payroll, because what else explains it?
17. Which brings us back to the bubble, where bat**** conspiracy theories about Marvel payola explain the low ratings for recent DC movies.
18. If SUICIDE SQUAD -- which, I remind y'all, has yet to even play to a paying audience -- fails to top DEADPOOL, is that a conspiracy?
19. No, it is not. But good luck trying to tell people that when they've already built the story in their heads.
20. I mean, there are people who still think Bill Buckner was paid to bobble that grounder in 1986. But errors happen in sports ...
21. ... just as people's entertainment preferences are individualistic even when they're part of a herd. Some prefer DC, some prefer Marvel.
22. The domination of Marvel movies makes the DC boosters feel powerless and small. They're back to being losers. And they don't like it.
A lot of truth here.
I know everything about these characters. I have been waiting for a Justice League movie since I was a kid.
I am taking my 9 year old little brother to see it this weekend and he is a huge fan also.. I think a lot of critics don't like that the characters don't have development but if you watched the cartoons and read the comics you know that these characters just causally pop up.. We can only have so many origin stories.
The trailers and clips make this film seem like it's Oscar worthy and movie of the year. I get The Joker is barely in it but they advertise like he's in it 90% of the time..
Just like Batman V Superman I immediately knew Darkseid was behind everything just by looking at that painting. Unfortunately moviegoers aren't die hard fans and don't understand anything and that's why it gets horrible reviews.
I remember Harry Potter. I read every book, hosted book release parties and people didn't read the books , yet their first movie would be the 4th or 5th film and they tried to go see the last film a few years later and gave it horrible reviews saying it made no sense...
These DC films are made for hardcore fans who already know everything.
The TV universe is a bit more like Marvel. They explain everytnjng a lot better. Arrow and The flash are killing it.
Hopefully SQ and JL kill it too..
Hardcore fans like us are a small, small percentage of the moviegoing audience, so no, these movies aren't for us. They're to be made with everyone in mind, so that nobody gets lost along the way. If you're a big studio and want to make money on a film (duh), you can't just make a film for a small sect of the population, you have to appeal to all of it.
What should have resulted in WB's model for these movies was a greater emphasis on story, and less of a tendency to put out of left field things in the movie that the majority of people will scratch their head at. I can't imagine what a casual moviegoer who just wanted to relax and get entertained would feel like seeing BvS. What would they make of Flash appearing out of nowhere (though they wouldn't even know it was him) or any of the other dream sequences? Do you think they know an Omega symbol's significance? How about the parademons? Do you think they are at all aware of the Injustice arc it's all playing off of? How about Doomsday? Of course not, so most of the audience who went to see that movie were continually confused, and rightfully so, because they weren't being thought of. Things are just thrown at them without any set-up or explanation, and then those things give way to more perplexing things. It's not how you compose a film for a massive and varied audience.
We get this stuff, because we love it, but everyone else, the greater population, haven't the faintest idea, and we often lose sight of that in our fan crazed minds. Even knowing all the stuff the film was playing off of didn't make me like it any more either, so there's that too. You can show me the Justice League fighting alongside each other for two hours all you want, and show me live action villains from the comics to face them, but if those visuals have no heart or meaning beyond looking "cool," then all you've done is waste a lot of money on bad CGI. A movie barren of character barely deserves to be called a movie in the first place.
People aren't asking for massive origin stories in these films, either. It's taboo now to even dare to do one. All we want to see are characters we love doing what they do, and we aren't even seeing that. And now WB's top brass have wrangled together from the scraps of Ayer's film their own vision for the movie that apparently trumps his with what seems like no tangible development of the characters, or attention to a greater story or mission. Character and character development is everything in storytelling, and if you don't have that, what's the point of everything else? You could have the greatest plot arc and twists ever in your film, but if I don't give a damn about the people that those events are impacting, I'm immune to its charms.
John Campea will probably give this movie a 4 out of 10, then an 8 or 9 when the extended cut comes out on Blu-ray like he did for BvS, because, you know, that totally makes sense.
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Why the ****ing **** does Suicide Squad have a rotten rating on RT? This can't be happening. I'm having a ****ing breakdown.
Holy ****. My mom came into my room to bring me a plate of chicken nuggets and I literally screamed at her and hit the plate of chicken nuggets out of her hand. She started yelling and swearing at me and I slammed the door on her. I'm so distressed right now I don't know what to do. I didn't mean to do that to my mom but I'm literally in shock from the results tonight. I feel like I'm going to explode. I don't want to believe the world is so corrupt. I want a future to believe in. I want DC to be on top and fix this broken industry. I cannot ****ing deal with this right now. It wasn't supposed to be like this, I thought it was polling well in audience previews???? This is so ****ed.
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