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  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Fans have a lot to be concerned about because when Drew McWeeny was in the same position last year RE: BvS the guy practically got lynched and everything he said turned out to be true.

    You should see Sasha Perl-Raver's twitter, the comments are...lively.

    @doubleoego, by that you mean she is predicting doom and gloom?

    Nah, she's hopeful the movie is good but based on her comments, the fan reactions are the usual, typical angry responses from the fanboy community.

    What's also odd is, why did she even bring this up on the podcast at all? Particularly if she claims she didnt believe it despite pointing out the same source told her BvS was bad and then doesn't want others and the media to talk about it? The whole thing is just silly.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Fans have a lot to be concerned about because when Drew McWeeny was in the same position last year RE: BvS the guy practically got lynched and everything he said turned out to be true.

    You should see Sasha Perl-Raver's twitter, the comments are...lively.

    @doubleoego, by that you mean she is predicting doom and gloom?

    Nah, she's hopeful the movie is good but based on her comments, the fan reactions are the usual, typical angry responses from the fanboy community.

    What's also odd is, why did she even bring this up on the podcast at all? Particularly if she claims she didnt believe it despite pointing out the same source told her BvS was bad and then doesn't want others and the media to talk about it? The whole thing is just silly.

    I'm lost as to the context on this.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    She's upset and accusing the media of click baiting what she's now calling a nonstory. However, the media are only reporting word for word what she herself said on her podcast.

    Her source on this WW movie being bad is the same source that told her BvS was bad so it just makes her complaint come off as contradictory and silly.

    Meanwhile, her comments on the podcast work the same way click bait sites work. She should have just kept her mouth shut of she didn't want the backlash; even moreso given that she's not particularly liked to begin with.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @doubleoego, it is strange for her to suddenly urge people not to listen to a source that'd proved correct last time around with the same company and franchise, and a statement she'd backed up. Perhaps she has other sources that tell her this old source is wrong?

    She definitely is being silly, if that is what is going on. I've seen her around a few news shows on YouTube, particularly Collider and Schmoes Know, and she's got one of those annoyingly "loud" personalities that grate on my ears. I didn't know that others also found her unsavory.
  • Seven_Point_Six_FiveSeven_Point_Six_Five Southern California
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    "It's discombobulated, it doesn't have narrative flow. It's just very disjointed.”

    This is the supposed source's issue with the film. I just want to reiterate, it is nonsense.

    BvS had those issues, SS had those issues, but this particular claim regarding WW is nonsense.
  • With regard to these rumors, I recommend reading this article. Very insightful.

    https://upyourgeekcentral.com/2017/01/16/editorial-the-curse-of-clickbait/

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    With regard to these rumors, I recommend reading this article. Very insightful.

    https://upyourgeekcentral.com/2017/01/16/editorial-the-curse-of-clickbait/
    Interesting article even bad publicity is still publicity, big movies are constantly projected into our consciousness. Even the slightest bit of none news about Justice League for example, you can find dozens of channels streaming that news on YouTube almost immediately.
  • edited January 2017 Posts: 2,264

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    Interesting article even bad publicity is still publicity, big movies are constantly projected into our consciousness. Even the slightest bit of none news about Justice League for example, you can find dozens of channels streaming that news on YouTube almost immediately.
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    Exactly, that's why I don't really trust some of these sources for bits on the movie. Justice League is personally my most anticipated film of 2017, so I'm not trying to let killjoys ruin the film. I was particularly interested however in the section about the poll, now I know most critics and other don't believe in film biasim, but that was a solid example. In terms of the poll itself, I'm happy to see BvS finally catching on somewhat. The theatrical cut was horrible, but the Ultimate Cut is very good, and dare I say, one of my favorite movies (despite some flaws).
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    Studios main priority is always that first weekend that's where the large chunk of the money is, so at all costs they will attempt to get bums on seats opening weekend. I try to be positive about Justice League, I must confess some of the negativity has got to me, it would be great to know almost nothing about the movie and just go and watch it tomorrow.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I hope that this time around Warner Bros have people cutting trailers that don't reveal the entire movie to audiences. Justice League needs to surprise people in more ways than one, and that starts with keeping things hidden that happen in the narrative, including Superman's resurrection and the main threat of Darkseid that is facing the heroes. I don't want to see much of Superman, if any, in these trailers, to keep the mystery going.

    One of the big issues with BvS was, even before the film came out, you could look at the three trailers that came out for it and see all the major beats of the story unfold long before you sat down to watch it in theaters. An already weak narrative is made all the weaker when you see how it predictably unfolds thanks to its marketing campaign.
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    I have a theory
    Supermans body was taken by Darkseids minions, and Superman will be under Darkseids control.
    . I would be happy if it all we saw was a silhouette of Superman, alas it's a given the trailers will show way too much. I'll watch the next trailer and then try to avoid anything after that.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    So it has been proven that BvS was bad?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I have a theory
    Supermans body was taken by Darkseids minions, and Superman will be under Darkseids control.
    . I would be happy if it all we saw was a silhouette of Superman, alas it's a given the trailers will show way too much. I'll watch the next trailer and then try to avoid anything after that.

    Yes, I've thought that too, @fire_and_ice, but I hope it's not true.
    I'm sick of having Superman doing things Superman wouldn't do, and he'd once again be seen as a villain, like in MoS and BvS, if Darkseid had him controlled.

    I think something will unfold where the team are forced to face Steppenwolf and his army in a battle that nearly kills them, at which point Superman will show up to save the day. If he's under Darkseid's control perhaps he could use his iron will to block him out?

    Of course, there could be a point in the film where the team lose and Superman is now their enemy, and Bruce forces Flash to go back in time to warn his past self about the coming threat to stop it. That would be too complex and crazy, though.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I firmly believe that there will be a payoff to the way Superman has been perceived in the last two films in Justice League. It's the one thing I am most interested in.
    Even if he is summoned again as a villain I think this will be the final step towards a fully formed Superman. His new cinematic origin will be complete. And maybe we can finally abandon those on the nose religious symbolisms.

    If that turns out to be the case, I might actually be much kinder to BvS in retrospect than I am now. And I'm not even a big detractor of it.
  • LoL

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  • edited January 2017 Posts: 6,432
    I have a theory
    Supermans body was taken by Darkseids minions, and Superman will be under Darkseids control.
    . I would be happy if it all we saw was a silhouette of Superman, alas it's a given the trailers will show way too much. I'll watch the next trailer and then try to avoid anything after that.

    Yes, I've thought that too, @fire_and_ice, but I hope it's not true.
    I'm sick of having Superman doing things Superman wouldn't do, and he'd once again be seen as a villain, like in MoS and BvS, if Darkseid had him controlled.

    I think something will unfold where the team are forced to face Steppenwolf and his army in a battle that nearly kills them, at which point Superman will show up to save the day. If he's under Darkseid's control perhaps he could use his iron will to block him out?

    Of course, there could be a point in the film where the team lose and Superman is now their enemy, and Bruce forces Flash to go back in time to warn his past self about the coming threat to stop it. That would be too complex and crazy, though.

    DC cinematic universe is influenced greatly by New52 I suspect they will use elements of
    Justice League War
    , I like BvS though Supermans character for me is still in its origin phase despite huge Superman Plot points being used.
    LoL

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    :))
    I firmly believe that there will be a payoff to the way Superman has been perceived in the last two films in Justice League. It's the one thing I am most interested in.
    Even if he is summoned again as a villain I think this will be the final step towards a fully formed Superman. His new cinematic origin will be complete. And maybe we can finally abandon those on the nose religious symbolisms.

    If that turns out to be the case, I might actually be much kinder to BvS in retrospect than I am now. And I'm not even a big detractor of it.
    You could argue Supes in the last two films is like Bond in CR and QoS, true is character isn't fully formed yet.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    @fire_and_ice

    I fully agree with that. I'm perfectly fine with the bleak tone Snyder has established, but I don't want to see Superman admitting defeat again after what he has been through. It would be a triumphant return and a much more emotional payoff to see Superman be the person outlined he was designed to be by Jor-El in Man Of Steel. Ironically, it would be more emotional to see that at this point than it was to see him sacrificing himself in BvS.
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    @fire_and_ice

    I fully agree with that. I'm perfectly fine with the bleak tone Snyder has established, but I don't want to see Superman admitting defeat again after what he has been through. It would be a triumphant return and a much more emotional payoff to see Superman be the person outlined he was designed to be by Jor-El in Man Of Steel. Ironically, it would be more emotional to see that at this point than it was to see him sacrificing himself in BvS.
    Agree the payoff will be key, and hopefully justify what we have seen already. Superman positive and fully confident I his abilities will be a great moment when it happens.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @fire_and_ice

    I fully agree with that. I'm perfectly fine with the bleak tone Snyder has established, but I don't want to see Superman admitting defeat again after what he has been through. It would be a triumphant return and a much more emotional payoff to see Superman be the person outlined he was designed to be by Jor-El in Man Of Steel. Ironically, it would be more emotional to see that at this point than it was to see him sacrificing himself in BvS.
    Agree the payoff will be key, and hopefully justify what we have seen already. Superman positive and fully confident I his abilities will be a great moment when it happens.

    I'd love for the film to end with Superman giving a press conference to the world, stating a vow to protect earth with his team at all costs.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    @fire_and_ice

    I fully agree with that. I'm perfectly fine with the bleak tone Snyder has established, but I don't want to see Superman admitting defeat again after what he has been through. It would be a triumphant return and a much more emotional payoff to see Superman be the person outlined he was designed to be by Jor-El in Man Of Steel. Ironically, it would be more emotional to see that at this point than it was to see him sacrificing himself in BvS.
    Agree the payoff will be key, and hopefully justify what we have seen already. Superman positive and fully confident I his abilities will be a great moment when it happens.

    I'd love for the film to end with Superman giving a press conference to the world, stating a vow to protect earth with his team at all costs.

    I can hear the piano theme kicking in already.
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    Cue Man of Steel theme.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @fire_and_ice

    I fully agree with that. I'm perfectly fine with the bleak tone Snyder has established, but I don't want to see Superman admitting defeat again after what he has been through. It would be a triumphant return and a much more emotional payoff to see Superman be the person outlined he was designed to be by Jor-El in Man Of Steel. Ironically, it would be more emotional to see that at this point than it was to see him sacrificing himself in BvS.
    Agree the payoff will be key, and hopefully justify what we have seen already. Superman positive and fully confident I his abilities will be a great moment when it happens.

    I'd love for the film to end with Superman giving a press conference to the world, stating a vow to protect earth with his team at all costs.

    I can hear the piano theme kicking in already.

    The Zimmer theme? I'd crack tears.

  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    @fire_and_ice

    I fully agree with that. I'm perfectly fine with the bleak tone Snyder has established, but I don't want to see Superman admitting defeat again after what he has been through. It would be a triumphant return and a much more emotional payoff to see Superman be the person outlined he was designed to be by Jor-El in Man Of Steel. Ironically, it would be more emotional to see that at this point than it was to see him sacrificing himself in BvS.
    Agree the payoff will be key, and hopefully justify what we have seen already. Superman positive and fully confident I his abilities will be a great moment when it happens.

    I'd love for the film to end with Superman giving a press conference to the world, stating a vow to protect earth with his team at all costs.

    I can hear the piano theme kicking in already.

    The Zimmer theme? I'd crack tears.


    That's the one. I think Zimmer nailed the particular mood and feel of Cavill's Superman - for better or for worse. His music has the right balance between the heroic and the edgy darkness that has emulated from these films. Junkie's Batman theme is quite good, too.

    This is a particular favourite of mine. I have listened to the sessions and it is a standout there and on the official album. Captures the feeling of desperation of the battle between Zod and Superman really well. Two Gladiators, one reigning champ and one fresh to the game but powered by his desire to do whatever he can.



    Zimmer's approach is obviously very different to what Williams did but still captures the character quite well, I think. One thing the DCEU has over the MCU is its music. Both MoS and BvS work very well together as albums whereas the Marvel musical approach is far less cohesive.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @CraigMooreOHMSS, the MCU's music definitely lacks a cohesiveness, you're right. There's a real lack of main themes being used for characters. If Cap is having his moment in a big battle, I want to hear his theme blasting, just like I want to hear Thor's, Iron Man's, Widow's, etc.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    @CraigMooreOHMSS, the MCU's music definitely lacks a cohesiveness, you're right. There's a real lack of main themes being used for characters. If Cap is having his moment in a big battle, I want to hear his theme blasting, just like I want to hear Thor's, Iron Man's, Widow's, etc.

    It doesn't help that a lot of the characters now have more than one signature motif. Iron Man has three!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Here's a nice video that talks about the lack of musical identity of Marvel's music and pretty much everything I hate about modern film scores to date.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Here's a nice video that talks about the lack of musical identity of Marvel's music and pretty much everything I hate about modern film scores to date.

    Yeah, I've watched that a few times now. It gets more annoying the more you think about it. That being said, I think Zimmer's work has been pretty stellar - both in Nolan's trilogy and in the DCCU. I also really like his music for The Amazing Spider-Man 2 now after initially not liking it at all. I was a big fan of Horner's score for the first.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Just as an aside, it definitely doesn't help that they seem to have their composers on a conveyor belt. They've had some top-notch musicians score their films but they only get one film in a series - two if they're lucky. It's one of the reasons why I'm glad they're bringing Silvestri back for Infinity War. He should have scored the second Avengers film - the fact that they had to draft Elfman in to write some statements of his main theme into Tyler's ineffectual score said it all. They seem to take great care with everything except the music.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    They seem to take great care with everything except the music.
    That's one of my biggest problems with the industry today.
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    Not saying any of these claims are true, as I don't give any of them the time of day. All we have to go on is DC and WB's past performances, and that does not instill one with overflowing confidence as to any future successes, especially critically.



    I don't get it. How are we supposed to judge the success of "Wonder Woman" on the past critical performances of the DCEU critically?

    I don't pay attention to film critics anymore. I stopped regarding their opinion as fact over a decade ago. And I no longer their judgment after seeing "Man of Steel", "Batman v. Superman" and "Suicide Squad" . . . especially since I ended up enjoying all three films.

    @doubleoego, it is strange for her to suddenly urge people not to listen to a source that'd proved correct last time around with the same company and franchise, and a statement she'd backed up. Perhaps she has other sources that tell her this old source is wrong?


    Proven correct the last time? For whom? You? Certainly not for me. Certainly not for a lot of people who are actually fans of the DCEU films, even if others like to pretend that they do not exist. Why is it that people are so determined that their opinion on a certain movie should be regarded as fact? And why are film critics harbor this attitude to an extreme?
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