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As for the Aquaman news, I'm curious why Snyder is even involved in the first place, or better yet, allowed to be.
Or perhaps I'm in the minority of those who didn't care for Leto's take on the role whatsoever.
I agree with Ayer, however, in saying that Joker as the major villain in the film would've been endlessly better than the unexplained villains we got. It makes no sense for these squad members-who are mortals-to face a metahuman threat that could kill them in seconds. The villain should've been someone they could've actually handled with credibility, and Joker would've been perfect. The team could've been faced with a specific mission that was set up by the film, and Joker would enter the stage trying to steal Harley away from the government while she's on the mission. Over the film she would see how abusive and bad for her he is, joining with the squad to face off against him after he goes too far, leading her to become an independent woman. In the New 52 comics of which much of the film was based, Harley breaks away from Joker and becomes her own woman after years of abusive and pain.
That should've been the plot of the film, and it would've been all the better for it, because at least it would make sense and have actual character to it. Harley would also be viewed as a strong female character with a mind of her own, and not a lovestruck stooge that will do anything Joker tells her. It could've been an interesting characterization of her, as she comes into her own as a woman.
It could have been so good, and that's what hurt most. They could've played with the morality they only thinly dealt with in the film in a hard-hitting way. Instead of having characters randomly state, "We're bad people, it's what we do," the film could've actually explored how gray ethics are. The government and their nasty behavior could've been compared and contrasted with the "villains" as they both do bad things for the right reasons in the film. Have actual moments in the film that build their characters up as dimensional, and show that they more than just "bad" guys as labeled by society. There was an attempt to do this with Deadshot and his fatherhood angle, but like most of the film, it's introduced and never dealt with again.
The film would've been great if they kept Joker as the threat and Harley as the main or pivotal character who grows to become free of him by the end of it. Open the film in an interesting and impactful way by showing Batman catching and arresting all the villains featured in the film in unique and interesting sequences that show Affleck's take in action. These moments would've given us more time to see Batman acting like a true hero again in awesome ways, while also showing us what the villains are capable of, their skill sets and who they are/how they act around Batman, a man they've faced many times before, giving them history with the crime fighter we could've felt. Put Captain Boomerang in a western style face-off with Batman following a chase, where the villain tosses one of his sharp boomerangs right at Batman's face, only for him to catch it swiftly and snap it in half before sending out his own batarang to knock the baddie out, catching it in his hand as it comes back around to him. Have a chase sequence with Deadshot where Batman is gliding and jumping after him as the hitman uses the buildings around him to strategically ricochet bullets at Batman to attempt kill shots.
Have the last villain to be captured be Harley. Batman is called in to stop Joker after Harley accidentally gives away their location. Batman crashes into their headquarters and pummels some of Joker's goons, but is too late, as he has already escaped. He hears cries from a corner and finds Harley there, beaten and bloodied by the clown as a punishment for putting Batman on their scent.
These moments would've been a great set up to the film and the villains that would be the main characters in it. We would've seen how capable this Batman was and experience the dynamic he has with each villain, as they are given their own dimensions too. These sequences of Batman catching them would lead into the scenes of the prison they're all at after running into Batman, setting up everything else in the film beyond.
The stuff we have seen so far is not really a balanced account of his efforts, I think. The interpretation does strike me as extremely odd when you compare it with Affleck's Batman, though. Whereas Ben is going for that more seasoned look and feel to his Batman, Leto's Joker seems to me to be quite infantile. I don't mean infantile in manner or personality, but in method. He gives off that "new kid on the block" vibe to me.
I hope they gel together well when they have their eventual encounters.
Good observation Affleck and Leto seem world's apart in time frames regarding the portrayals of there respective characters, The Joker would have worked better if he had been incarcerated leading up to the film and at is lethal best, e.g. Dark Knight Returns part 2.
It would've been great if Batman v Superman was about Bruce coming out of retirement to face Superman for the dangers he thought he posed. He'd been out of the job since Jason died (which we could've seen in flashback), and felt like everything he'd worked to change was worth nothing, just like his promise to his parents. When Superman appears he subconsciously gives himself a reason to get back up and have a true legacy, and he faces Superman with a very distorted view of him because he's thirsty for a purpose. This jaded, skewed thought process of Bruce's could be attacked by those close to him, like Alfred, who know he's making a huge mistake. The film could've explored his darkness and brokenness a lot more, showing how and why he'd changed from the man he used to be.
One of the big problems with the DC films, which has been heavily written about before, is that the characters don't really grow. We never see Batman as anything other than a reckless murderer, so when he meets Superman and realizes he needs to change (this isn't explored either, though) we never feel anything. We never feel his pain, or know what the death of Jason did to him, because the film doesn't want to spend any time showing us it. It also doesn't help that the moment after Batman realizes how far he'd gone to kill Superman, he goes to a warehouse and murders a couple dozen more people, seemingly learning nothing. There's no consistency or depth in anything we see. We don't see why Batman has changed, or know if he's changed at all. For all we know, he could've killed his entire career, and the shots of him running people over in the batmobile is how he's always operated. We have nothing to point to to explain that he didn't used to be that way. We don't even know how long he's been in the business of crime fighting, if he'd retired at any point or if he'd consistently done it. All we have to go on is the rare details that are barely implied to us.
If the film would've played out more like the comic, with a retired Batman feeling a call to action in facing Superman, we could've had a scene at the end of the film where Batman's reappearance makes Joker come out of his "coma," finally giving him a reason to live again. This would've then set up Joker as a returning threat in Suicide Squad to match Batman's own return. This would then drive the idea home that they both created each other and need each other, proving one of Joker's own mad philosophies.
I mean, this isn't hard. I know five year olds that could've formulated a better story than what we've had so far.
It makes me really wish that Ben would have his Batman film set before the events of Man Of Steel. But, that will probably begin to complicate matters even further for the casual viewer.
Available now. And loving every second of it!!!
Not available until 6th March in the UK [-( though ordered looks great.
So what's the final verdict? Is it any good?
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/joby-harold-the-flash-script-rewrite-1201969977/
Who knows, at least the ball is rolling again on this project.
I would really like to know whats going on behind the scenes. Is the overarching plan and narrative for the DCEU is evolving and the Flash's script simply needed to rewritten to accommodate it? Maybe Rick Famuyiwa's draft really took the character(s) in the wrong direction or something?
I want them to pick themselves up and put on a good show, as I do want to see more of what comes of these characters in the future. At the moment, I need to see the Green Lantern Corps film with John Stewart and Hal Jordan, as that's too good an idea to let slip.
It's seems many people think this means Deathstroke isn't in JL afterall but we do still have this Tweet from Snyder that may suggest otherwise:
and From Zack Snyder's Vero account:
Data Reveals The Most Hotly Anticipated Superhero Movies of 2017
Click on link for details and context:
https://www.brandwatch.com/blog/react-superhero-movies-2017/?utm_source=react_twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=blog&utm_campaign=01_2017_entertainment_blog
Odd how there's more hype for WW and JL with trailer hype excluded. JL especially considering we don't have a proper trailer yet. Still, probably about right considering the current state of events. They most definitely have an uphill battle.
1 Logan
2 Thor: Ragnarok
3 Justice League
4 Wonder Woman
5 Spiderman: Homecoming
Lego and Guardians are not on my watchlist.
1. Justice League (because I loved both Man of Steel and the extended cut of Batman v Superman)
2. Logan
3. Wonder Woman
4. Spider-Man Homecoming