Producer says Daniel Craig's tenure may end when it peaks

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  • edited August 2012 Posts: 2,115
    I think it's a little early to get too excited about all this. However, it is worth noting how Michael G. Wilson's tone and comments can change within a relatively short amount of time.

    Back in December, he raised the idea of Daniel Craig doing five additional movies for a total of eight. Now these comments which sound hypothetical but still are a long way from his December remarks.

    Also, at the November press conference, he said Skyfall had no change in direction from Casino and Quantum, then in December started talking "classic" and "magical Goldfinger feel," invoking a movie that had a lighter tone than either Casino or Quantum. Four years ago, it was gunbarrel will probably be back at the normal place, except it wasn't.

    It's kind of like trying to fact check P.T. Barnum. You should basically have a degree of skepticism about MGW's public pronouncements, but you'll drive yourself crazy if you take it super seriously.

    Back in December, some fans got excited about the prospect of Daniel Craig doing five more films. Now, some fans (not commenting about anyone here) who don't like Craig are excited, practically starting the countdown to a new Bond. Both reactions were premature.


  • Bring on Fassbender, he's not too famous yet. He's perfect for the role. The man can act, he's not always the same character in his films, and he's already expressed interest, i.e. get him for cheaper. I like Craig but part of the mystique to Bond i.m.o. is that he's played by many different actors.
  • edited August 2012 Posts: 3,333
    James_A_F, we just got shot of one Irish actor so we're not in any rush to get another.

    Besides, it'll be Henry Cavill that gets the gig after Craig
  • After Superman: Man of Steel, I'm doubtful. Before this discussion turns into a racial forest fire, let's examine the Actors' abilities and not their backgrounds.
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    James_A_F wrote:
    After Superman: Man of Steel, I'm doubtful. Before this discussion turns into a racial forest fire, let's examine the Actors' abilities and not their backgrounds.
    I am Irish so I am free to comment. This thesis that an actor is tied to one franchise so can't do another is no longer relevant today. Audiences have shown -- with Robert Downey Jr. playing both Tony Stark and Sherlock Holmes; Jeremy Renner playing both Hawkeye, Aaron Cross and William Brandt(MI:3); Chris Pine playing both James T. Kirk and now Jack Ryan -- that they can cross franchises and it doesn't cause problems. Also, it didn't stop David Fincher casting Craig in The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo which was meant to be another franchise. If the studio think Cavill is right for Bond then it'll happen.
  • Posts: 62
    "Bond is bigger than any actor who portraits him". I like that.
  • edited August 2012 Posts: 165
    Elipsis wrote:
    "Bond is bigger than any actor who portraits him". I like that.

    In the broader sense, yes, that's true. Bond was around long before Craig and will be around (hopefully) long after.

    But that comment doesn't take into account how the general public latches on to, and quickly identifies the current actor as Bond. Especially if you're introduced to the Bond franchise during a certain actor's tenure as Bond. Why do you think we have so many disagreements on this board? The people who grew up with Moore naturally think the lighthearted approach is more "Bond like", while the younger generations prefer the action of Brosnan or the darker approach of Craig. We're all right, and yet we're all wrong. Everyone has their own opinion and preferences and that's the way it should be.

    Another way to rebute MGW comments, is to ask why they bother to bring back actors for a series of films. Why not cast a new Bond actor with each film? It's the character of Bond that matters, right Michael? But we all know the franchise would collapse if they did that.

    Lastly, Wilson should know that in the current media/internet culture we live in that a comment like that would stir up plenty of press and discussion. It will certainly make it's way to Craig and/or Craig's agent, which can only bring about tention and some brusied egos. If nothing else, Craig (like all the Bond actors) has worked his butt off to be a great Bond. He, like the others, pours his heart into the role, not to mention the physical beating he takes over the tremendously long shooting schedule of a film like Skyfall.

    And this is the thanks he gets for all that effort? His boss openly speculating about ending his employment.

    After all is said and done on this topic, I think we should all agree on one thing: Michael G. Wilson is a complete idiot.
  • Agreed with those who feel this is all much ado about nothing. Craig has already said he'll do a 4th film and hasn't ruled out a 5th. BB loves the guy and won't let him get away easily no matter what MGW might say. The rest is idle speculation.
  • tqbtqb
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    he's just bitter because he never got the part. Or maybe the producers are worried how to improve the franchise after getting such A list talent.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @JamesPage needs a time-out. Maybe that will make him quit this silly talk.
  • tqbtqb
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    Skip to 11:20 he talks about change in the series. I'll sum it up he says "don't be afraid of change" and "actors, directors, writers, etc are replaceable", "Bond is the star."

    He goes on about how Brosnan was well liked but time for change.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited August 2012 Posts: 13,356
    It's telling this and for the first time an admission on EON's part of how they felt at the time. After Die Another Day they "felt stuck", knew "the films were becoming more and more fantastical" and were "uncomfortable with the direction the series was going" and had "been working on a new script for a year and getting absolutely nowhere".

    Some great insight indeed and great to hear, even if it's taken nearly ten years.

    Thanks for finding and linking us to the video @tqb.
  • edited August 2012 Posts: 4,619
    This video is amazing! The studio had a research report commissioned on poker? Wow!

    "The report also said audiences were not interested in Bond having a serious relationship with a woman." I would love to read this report! It sounds like a load of rubbish! Thank God for MGW and Barbara Broccoli!
  • Posts: 5,745
    Well it looks like Wilson and Barbara based their script on their Studio's 'list'. Only opposite of what the list intended! Haha brilliant.

    Don't be afraid of change, good motto. Don't see it being a title any time soon though ;)
  • Posts: 612
    They only comfort I see in this is that we have solid Bond candidates now. I don't want Craig to leave yet, but if it had to happen, there would be good replacements. My vote goes out to Ryan Gosling.
  • Samuel001 wrote:
    It's telling this and for the first time an admission on EON's part of how they felt at the time. After Die Another Day they "felt stuck", knew "the films were becoming more and more fantastical" and were "uncomfortable with the direction the series was going" and had "been working on a new script for a year and getting absolutely nowhere".

    Some great insight indeed and great to hear, even if it's taken nearly ten years.

    Thanks for finding and linking us to the video @tqb.

    It's not the first time:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/15/movies/MoviesFeatures/15bond.html

    sample:
    "I was desperately afraid, and Barbara was desperately afraid, we would go downhill," said Michael G. Wilson, the producer of the new Bond film, "Casino Royale," with Ms. Broccoli. He even told that to Pierce Brosnan, the suave James Bond who had a successful run of four films, he said.

    "We are running out of energy, mental energy," Mr. Wilson recalled saying. "We need to generate something new, for ourselves."

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    tqb wrote:


    Skip to 11:20 he talks about change in the series. I'll sum it up he says "don't be afraid of change" and "actors, directors, writers, etc are replaceable", "Bond is the star."

    He goes on about how Brosnan was well liked but time for change.

    Very good talk from MGW, and it just shows you how his comments have been totally
    twisted around to create a story that he'd change Craig without any qualm; that's not what he's saying at all.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I think it is more of a reflection by MGW on the past 50 years than a statement like "I am talking about Dan, and he won't be Bond for too much longer".
  • edited August 2012 Posts: 4,622
    The video does clear up the context issues. MGW is not throwing Craig under the bus at all. However I do agree with @alexanderwaverly. MGW has been all over the map with his comments. He's hard to take seriously these days, but the video does provide a tidy little summary of the Bond franchise's history. But if Craig does depart after SF, I won't be crying. For many of the reasons outlined upthread by the eloquent @verybond, DC, to be kind, is shall we say, an acquired taste as Bond - a taste I have not yet acquired and never will, so as much as I would love to see DC gracefully depart the franchise and be replaced with a younger actor with the classic Bond look, MGW hasn't said anything here to indicate that a change is imminent or even likely.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    Thank you for posting this @tqb. Just like I thought, someone took his comments and twisted everything. It was fun the watch, somethings I didn't know like the report. Another thing I learned, MGW is not a very good public speaker.
  • Posts: 4,622
    Sandy wrote:
    Thank you for posting this @tqb. Just like I thought, someone took his comments and twisted everything. It was fun the watch, somethings I didn't know like the report. Another thing I learned, MGW is not a very good public speaker.

    You're not kidding. He's brutal. He kept looking at the screen over his shoulder. I guess he wanted to make sure that his prepared remarks matched with whatever visuals were being shown, but couldn't he simply trust that the video guy had a handle on it - that the video guy was pacing him? Isn't that how it's done?
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
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    For me the highlights are:
    "At the heart of every Bond film is Bond's journey... We trusted the story to carry the film, ... and now we are making our 3rd Bond film starring Daniel Craig"
    This raises my expectations for Skyfall even more!
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    My vote goes out to Ryan Gosling.

    I don't think you know how casting Bond works.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    timmer wrote:
    The video does clear up the context issues. MGW is not throwing Craig under the bus at all. However I do agree with @alexanderwaverly. MGW has been all over the map with his comments. He's hard to take seriously these days, but the video does provide a tidy little summary of the Bond franchise's history. But if Craig does depart after SF, I won't be crying. For many of the reasons outlined upthread by the eloquent @verybond, DC, to be kind, is shall we say, an acquired taste as Bond - a taste I have not yet acquired and never will, so as much as I would love to see DC gracefully depart the franchise and be replaced with a younger actor with the classic Bond look, MGW hasn't said anything here to indicate that a change is imminent or even likely.

    What is the classic Bond look? Tall, dark hair and a face that can land a Givenchy fragrance campaign deal?? These sorts of comments are always interesting to me, particularly as they're mainly coming from a bunch of dudes. Craig imo along with Connery are the 2 most realistic-looking Bond actors who aren't "pretty boys" but ruggedly good looking who look well dressed and can portray that killer instinct but I guess actors with model-type looks, pretending to act tough and failing to convince they are tough is perfectly acceptable to some.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    I'm sort of with @doubleoego here. Craig is a perfect cinematic Bond, as Connery was. The public isn't ever so bothered about Ian Fleming's Bond..OK let's be honest, they don't even know who Ian Fleming is!

    Part of PBs failing in my eyes was exactly what doubleoego eluded to. He was acting it out, but still looked like a pretty boy who belonged in a ferrero rochet advert. He did some things well, but the overall impression fell a little short.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    timmer wrote:
    Sandy wrote:
    Thank you for posting this @tqb. Just like I thought, someone took his comments and twisted everything. It was fun the watch, somethings I didn't know like the report. Another thing I learned, MGW is not a very good public speaker.

    You're not kidding. He's brutal. He kept looking at the screen over his shoulder. I guess he wanted to make sure that his prepared remarks matched with whatever visuals were being shown, but couldn't he simply trust that the video guy had a handle on it - that the video guy was pacing him? Isn't that how it's done?

    I didn't notice that he was looking over, I just listened to it the first time because I was working. I meant he is not a very engaging speaker, he got lost a few times and slowed down, kept reading the notes he had prepared (his script), like he hadn't trained the presentation before and perhaps he didn't. Now I took a look and yes, he just keeps checking if everything is fine and that disrupts the rythm too. You either have the control over the visuals (it's the best way) or trust the person who's handling it. You only look when you want to drag attention to something in there so it's usually a purposeful motion and not just sneaking over the shoulder. He's obviously not used to make this kind of things, that's how it looks like. Though I would expect him not to be a newbie in these sorts of things!
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
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    @doubleoego: So who are your pretty-boy Bonds? Moore and Brosnan? I also don't like the talk about Gosling, Fassbender and so on (Pretty-Boys) being perfect for Bond, because they look right.

    I still remember when DC's name first was thrown into the ring and I bought a copy of Layer Cake on ebay, just to see what the fuss was all about. One scene absolutely sold me DC as Bond, even though he did not have any similarities with the previous Bond actors: when Colm Meaney's character shows DC his gun collection, DC is suddenly converted to a fascination for one of them and tries pointig it at various corners of the apartment in Bond style.

    Brosnan unfortunately did not have the acting-capability to show the enthusiasm that DC enacted in this one scene. A glimpse of it is shown here at 1:09:
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Don't get me started on Layer Cake; love that film. And that is what sold me on Craig as Bond for sure.
  • edited August 2012 Posts: 1,661
    FromCanadaWithLove wrote:

    " I don't want Craig to leave yet, but if it had to happen, there would be good replacements. My vote goes out to Ryan Gosling."

    Eh? Gosling is Canadian! No Americans/Canadians wanted for Bond, thank you very much!

    As for Henry Cavill - I can't see that ever happening. If Superman: Man of Steel is a big hit, Cavill will be wanted for several sequels - there's bound to be a trilogy - and if Man of Steel is a relative flop Cavill will be seen as damaged goods. "Failed Superman actor gets second chance with Bond." I can't imagine Eon wanting those sorts of headlines.

    Tom Hardy - nope, can't see it. He doesn't really look the part (just my opinion) but even if you don't care about how Bond looks, he's currently filming a new Mad Max film. If 'Fury Road' is a success I can't see Hardy playing Mad Max and James Bond.

    I think the next actor will be similar to Craig, perhaps with limited film experience. Some actor that is out there but not widely known. I don't think there will be any pressure put on Eon to find a tall, dark and handsome actor to take over. In theory any actor of decent height, decent acting ability and of reasonable looks (bit subjective, I guess!) should be in with a chance. But I can't imagine it will be any of the current list of names people mention. How many people expected Daniel Craig to replace Pierce Brosnan? Not many. History could repeat itself with another fairly unknown actor.

  • edited August 2012 Posts: 12,837
    Are we talking about the next Bond now? Scott Adkins gets my vote.
    fanbond123 wrote:
    FromCanadaWithLove wrote:

    " I don't want Craig to leave yet, but if it had to happen, there would be good replacements. My vote goes out to Ryan Gosling."

    Eh? Gosling is Canadian! No Americans/Canadians wanted for Bond, thank you very much!

    I'm from the UK, and I would agree with you, but to be fair, Bond was originally supposed to be an English spy. Since then we've had a Scottish Bond (they even changed the books because of this), an Aussie, a Welshman and an Irishman. So I'd say an American, a Canadian, a German, a Russian, almost any nationality, could play Bond if they can do a good accent.

    Gossling is a great actor and I wouldn't mind him playing Bond. But like I said, Scott Adkins is my first choice. He's not too famous either like Fassbender, Hardy or Cavill might be.
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