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Dalton's movie had a spy/data/important letter/list plot, so do a lot of other spy genre films. Earliest I can think of is the 39 steps...come to think of it there's a Sherlock Holmes story that uses this plot device as well.
What makes it interesting in Skyfall is that Bond gets the sharp end of it from his mother, who's protecting her rep.
I was watching MI4 last night, great action movie and did I give a stuff about the launch codes? No. I enjoyed watching a gay alien believer jump off the world's tallest building. Awesome.
Are you saying Tom is gay? or believes in 'gay aliens'! I too watched M:I4 recently, I hate heights and that scene was really hard to watch (shudder), have you seen the special features where he's running around the building like a loon? Just don't know how he does it…scare me sh*tless!
Not sure if he's gay but he does believe in aliens.
Who have seen those episodes knowns what happend in time both try to get it, this element is the only i think Bond possible going to have mixed with M in specialy. Information what not realy be a problem to know already if not going to be more then this. There is enough left behind to wait on for the cinema.
I stay on my point the redline in Skyfall and DC his 2 other movies (or 1) and mabey more going about Yesterday is history, Today is a memory, but what it be tomorrow ? The Lies of yesterday are the future of tomorrow. (Based on the TMND teaser and plot.)
I get the Twine feeling too, but the TMND feeling is bigger and mix those 2 together and we get Skyfall, but Skyfall possible going to cros the line more then Casino Royale.
My biggest quistion about Skyfall be or i must anser the quistion with No on what Chris Cornell sings in some part of the lyrics. Eon whant created a mirror again like there did with TMND back in 1997.
Interesting point, I looked it up :-) :
http://www.ipl.org/div/farq/plotFARQ.html
Pretty much agree. Stories have been around for thousands of years, everything which follows has an influence. I'm currently writing a novel, it's my original story with original characters but I have been influenced by my own life experiences and countless other novels and movies. Bond maybe seen as recently being influenced by movies such as Bourne and MI but the reality is a lot of these other fictional spy characters wouldn't have even existed unless their creators were influenced by Bond.
As long as the action, characters, twists and turns along the way are up to scratch, precisely what they are chasing exactly is of negligible importance.
Not so gay, as in happy, now that his younger trophy wife an daughter have left him.
This couple seem to have it all. Perfect family, magazine covers, and a fan following that would follow them into the pits of hell. They seem to be perfect, but the story doesn't about them. See the man used to be married to a beautiful actress who believed that they were in it for the long haul. She had no idea that her PR and his PR had arranged for them to be the Hollywood "it" couple. The reason? He liked boys and she had no idea. And the PR teams knew that the two of them together would be an explosion of epic proportions. He begged her for a family to help keep his image, but she wanted to enjoy being a newly wed without kids to worry about. Plus she still liked to have some fun, the herbal kind. And she knew when she became a mom she would have to grow up and she wasn't ready.
He got bored being a loving husband began hooking up with his best guy friend. She finally caught on and he told her that if she wanted to keep her status she would go along with it. She actually considered it, but because she loved him and thought she could change him. HA, don't they all. So she agreed and they went on a vacation, but he couldn't stop from the boy loving and once she found out that his "buddy" was also near by, she was done. He was worried that she would spill, so not only did he leave her, he spun a whole new story so that even if she did out him, it would appear to be out of vengeance.
Now he is off, living a Hollywood dream with another beard, one that is so into the Hollywood game that she should crowned as Queen. Funny thing is though, she has him so whipped that he no longer even talks to the guy that used to be his best friend because while filming their last movie together, she heard all about their trailer hook-ups between scenes..
No more TC gossip I promise but I had to get this outta my system.
Agreed. And that is the essence of a MacGuffen.
There is at least another element of Skyfall that are not new: the hero faking his death is at least as old as Sherlock Holmes (but it predates Holmes in various forms).
Spielberg and Moore or Dalton teaming up for a Bond film in the 80s would've been great. Pretty stupid of Cubby to turn him down.
That's true, and Glen is my favourite Bond director, but I think it would've been even better if we got those Spielberg touches from Spielberg.
Since SF was the 50th anniversary and everything I actually thought he could've been good this year, great award winning director, Bond fan, big name bound to make more money, why not? Seems like a much better fit than Mendes (before I get the positive only crowd on me I do think he'll do a good job with SF). He'd probably not be up for it though, he's huge now.
Well it depends which Spielberg we would be getting as I dont think the inventive, masterful action director of Raiders is with us anymore. He has matured into someone who can make either serious and interesting films (Schindlers, Minority Report, Munich) or poor imitations of the stuff he used to make at his 80s peak but laden with a worrying amount of CGI (Indy IV, Tintin).
Now get me the bloke who did Munich and we could be talking a very good, gritty Daniel Craig Bond (although it goes without saying as usual that P & W would need to be axed) but I dont want another Indy IV which was basically the DAD of the Indy series.
Its all immaterial as no way he will do it and no way EON would give him the control he required. John Williams doing the music could be interesting though.
I think it was actually late 77/early 78. If I remember rightly Spielberg and Lucas holidayed together waiting for the BO of Close Encounters to come in. George had smashed it with SW. He said to George that he'd love to do Bond, to which George replied 'I have something better'. I guess it's fair to say Raiders is Spielberg's Bond.
Some people boil it down to just two:
1. A man goes on a journey.
2. A stranger comes to town.
:)
I am SO happy Spielberg never got to direct a Bond movie. If he had, I doubt we'd have got Raiders of the Lost Ark! ;)
There are only seven ways to tell a story. These are:
Overcome a monster
Rags to Riches
A quest
Voyage and return
Comedy - usually a nightmarish comedy of errors
Tragedy
Rebirth
Spielberg once recalled, “I had two meetings with Cubby. One before Jaws… and he said, ‘You’re not experienced enough to make one of my pictures.’ Then, after the success of Jaws, I met again with Cubby – this time over the telephone – and I said, ‘I’m ready to do a Bond picture. He said, ‘Well, you’re still not experienced enough to make one of these.’”
Spielberg felt sure he’d landed his dream job when Broccoli contacted him a third time, but he was just after the director’s alien tones. Spielberg explains, “I remember that he called me one day after Close Encounters (Of The Third Kind) came out, and he said, ‘I’d like to use the five notes in Moonraker, but I need your permission, they tell me, to get the five notes released. We’re gonna do a little homage to Close Encounters when Roger Moore uses the buttons to get into this room.’ I immediately gave him permission.”
Shows that Spielberg is a gent.
I think after being knocked back a second time after Jaws had just obliterated TMWTGGs pitiful box office he wouldve been well within his rights to tell Cubby to shove those 5 notes up his arse.
Completely agree and good assessment of late Spielberg. His 'kids movies' these days are painful to watch but he's developed a disconcerting habit of making very good 'serious' films. Minority Report is excellent and so is Munich. I think SL looks amazing but find the sentimentalisation of the holocaust slightly nauseating. Like you say, this style of film making would actually be more appropriate for Craig, whereas early Spielberg would have been ideal for Moore.