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You could be right with that.
To be honest he only played it straight when told too. John Glen kicked tougher performances out of Rog in his last three films.
As much as I love Rog he did send it up. Look at his expressions all the way through MR. He isnt taking it seriously. And if he isnt taking it seriously then noone else is taking it seriously hence every action scene ends in a silly joke and there is no tension or menace.He sent ir up so much it almost became Casino Royale 67 silliness.
I do love the man but he never played it straight unless he was ordered to do so...
I agree with you here. Even though sometimes stupid stuff happened around him, like the sound/sight gags (I like some of them but lots of them just go too campy for me), he was just laughing about it all and most of the time was actually fairly serious. The comedy that actually came from him, like his one liners, were just the same as Connery's, they never went too far.
Agreed 100%. I always considered MR to be the film where Moore is at his most smug.
You may not like Brozza but the guy does have charisma and presence. I know I've made this point before but its why he's (still) one of the more popular Bonds and why Brosnan has done pretty well for himself outside of the series. People like watching the man and find him entertaining and alluring.
Watch him in this scene:
Perhaps his voice is a little "soft" but how can you say he doesn't have a physical presence? Personally I like his stern expressions, especially when he's looking at the newspaper stand - that sells him for me. You can also tell him and Desmond are having fun together.
Back to GE. "Profound depression"? You having a laugh? :)) It's only a movie. I was disappointed by QoS but not "profoundly depressed".
Frankly to me you lost any credibility the moment you said NSNA was better than GE. Of course you're entitled to your view but that and CR1967 are the only films I don't own and have no desire to. I love ol' Sean but I'd take Brosnan in GE (and for that matter his other three films) ANY day over the ageing leering Connery in Never (he was more like a dad trying to prove he was still cool). Also, at least Brosnan was keen in GE - Connery has gone on record saying he hated making NSNA.
In fact Connery was miles cooler in The Rock 13 years later.
We might not agree on everything but I think you perfectly conceptualised my feelings on Brosnan, I was one of those rare people who back in 1995 dared to pour scorn on the Brozzer, I was quite relieved when I joined the Bond forums to find I wasn't on my own.
Each to is own I guess, I had been very happy with Dalton bringing some grit and Fleming back to the character after the pensioner stuntman shenanigans of Mr Moore and Brosnan might have tried to give us something new with G.E but by TND is was like they remade SWLM which was actually a remake already.
Have to say that is one of the worst scenes in Bond history.Pierce looks like a sleazy business exec out to cheat on his wife. Embarassing and humiliating for Desmond too as he hands over a German radio-controlled saloon car while advertising an American car rental company. Q had fallen a long way from the days when he'd turn up in some exotic location and hand over the latest British amphibious babe magnet in his Bermuda shorts.
Aaah.... those were the days.
As for Moore and Craig, I do read it that Roger is saying Craig is a fine actor; not specifically saying he is the best Bond.
Exactly...I think, he isn't too keen on the violence. Like he said "My Bond was a lover, his is a killer"
Then this might be the truth, as there is a significant difference between best Bond and best actor. Dunno which one I prefer personally. Guess I am fine with best actor..
We might not agree on everything but I think you perfectly conceptualised my feelings on Brosnan, I was one of those rare people who back in 1995 dared to pour scorn on the Brozzer, I was quite relieved when I joined the Bond forums to find I wasn't on my own.
Each to is own I guess, I had been very happy with Dalton bringing some grit and Fleming back to the character after the pensioner stuntman shenanigans of Mr Moore and Brosnan might have tried to give us something new with G.E but by TND is was like they remade SWLM which was actually a remake already.
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I had a very different reaction when GE came out. I was a huge Dalton fan and was very upset that he wasn't coming back...but I had seen the writing on the wall. People here forget that Bond wasn't as cemented into permanence as he is now and there were legitimate fears that the series was over after LTK. When the rumours first started that Bond would start up again I figured it would only happen if a more "popular" star took over.
So when I and a couple of friends - big Bond fans who loved Dalton and Connery and the more serious entries in the series - went to see GE opening weekend we went with some trepidation. We expected Brosnan to be the second coming of Roger Moore. We were probably basing that on his performance as Remington Steele, a pretty light, comic, and certainly not at all tough or manly character. So we were pleasantly surprised at how convincing he was as Bond. That fact that he appeared actually tough despite being at his most manorexic was quite impressive. Also, we loved the "old school" and classy feeling of GE. It seemed like a return to the glamour of the 60s Bonds (and we loved the "secret base" at the end - and the cheesy model work!).
I still have a soft spot for GE and Brosnan in it. He may have always delivered his lines in the most obvious way and became increasingly smug as the films went on but he was always fun to watch. I'd rather have seen him continue in the style of his performance of GE but I think that Campbell played a large role in that, and I realize that a lot of people liked his more smug, smarmy interpretation of his other films more. Personally, I liked his "strong, silent type" Bond in GE and thought it a good way of overcoming some of his limitations. But mostly there was a sense of relief after we saw GE and we all talked about how much more we liked Brosnan than we thought we would.
Pft... It's an ok scene. Bit cheesy but better than the one in GE easily. Both Broz and Des look more comfortable.
I think Brosnan looks fine. I've seen Bond look far worse in other films (just to show I can be critical of PB I never liked his black polo neck in DAD).
Sometimes I genuinely think you just criticise Pierce for the sake of it. First it was an Austin Reed model, now its a sleazy businessman.
Personally I prefer the "sleazy businessman" look to the "scruffy secondary school teacher" look on Bond anyway ;) .
"I think we understand eachother"