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  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited December 2022 Posts: 1,675
    mtm wrote: »
    Oh it's great, brilliant bit of TV. It's easy to see why PWB has been so celebrated from that.
    Bonkers how she's gone from a BBC Three comedy drama like that to being involved in Bond, Star Wars and Indiana Jones!

    She's certainly talented. I didn't mind her robot in Star Wars like some, I thought it was silly enough of a premise (robot uprising) to be funny, in the current climate. But that was just a role she was acting, not sure how involved she was in its ideation. Her other stuff is great, too. I think she was also involved in Killing Eve season one, which is good tv as well.
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Has everyone seen Fleabag? Highly recommend.

    Not seen it. Just saw a clip or two, and thought it looked pretty dumb.

    What seemed dumb about it? She's certainly affable and at times goofy. Either it makes you laugh or it doesn't, but I found the show to have some very intelligent, adult humor.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Having just seen a couple of clips, that s just my impression and could be due to how the dumbest parts of a show are often the ones to get highlighted, because that s what people like. I honestly dont know what the show is like.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 2022 Posts: 16,605
    Yeah that's fair, I expect they choose silly clips of it to show in other things.
    LucknFate wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Oh it's great, brilliant bit of TV. It's easy to see why PWB has been so celebrated from that.
    Bonkers how she's gone from a BBC Three comedy drama like that to being involved in Bond, Star Wars and Indiana Jones!

    She's certainly talented. I didn't mind her robot in Star Wars like some, I thought it was silly enough of a premise (robot uprising) to be funny, in the current climate.

    Yes that robot hangs around her neck a bit: all of these idiot YouTube guys who only watch Star Wars and Marvel think that's what she's actually like because that's all they've ever seen of her and don't seem to be able to separate acting from reality(!), hence as soon as she was involved with Bond we got all of those '007 goes woke' headlines. But she's an excellent writer and performer. I think she's a really fun choice for this Indy film.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I too loved that robot, thought it was real funny.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    She was one of the best things about the film for me.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Fleabag is fantastic. Season 2 is especially special from writing to acting to editing.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 2022 Posts: 16,605
    The bit where the actor who plays your eponymous character asks where she disappeared to when she does her talking at the camera does stay with me; that's a brilliant moment.
    I've got nothing against Shia Leboeuf as a performer, I think he does a decent job in Skull in that he's not actively annoying, and some actors would be. But I can see PWB holding her own against Ford a bit better to be honest. And what's refreshing is that this one it seems that mostly it's just the two of them (possibly a mystery kid for part of it too), rather than the huge gang he had following him around in the last one.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    Oh it's great, brilliant bit of TV. It's easy to see why PWB has been so celebrated from that.
    Bonkers how she's gone from a BBC Three comedy drama like that to being involved in Bond, Star Wars and Indiana Jones!

    If the rumour is true, she'll be adding Doctor Who to that list as well.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Killing of characters has become an overdone plot device; I don’t see it being gone here. Like TG:M, they are going to go out with a positive, exhilarating ending, not the death of another screen hero.

    I hope better. That ending of TG:M was embarrassingly cringe.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Killing of characters has become an overdone plot device; I don’t see it being gone here. Like TG:M, they are going to go out with a positive, exhilarating ending, not the death of another screen hero.

    I hope better. That ending of TG:M was embarrassingly cringe.

    We must have seen different cuts.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    mtm wrote: »
    Oh it's great, brilliant bit of TV. It's easy to see why PWB has been so celebrated from that.
    Bonkers how she's gone from a BBC Three comedy drama like that to being involved in Bond, Star Wars and Indiana Jones!

    If the rumour is true, she'll be adding Doctor Who to that list as well.

    Yes I saw that one too; in The Sun? Absolutely not true I'd say; not least she's signed up to create content for Amazon!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I am curious about Williams' goodbye score. I think his music for this series is among the best he's written in an already more than impressive career. TEMPLE is my favourite Williams score. I wonder if the fire will still be in DOD.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It’s the contrivances. Oh! Here’s a jet that we can hijack! Glad that we didn’t obliterate it when we did our raid earlier, that would have been inconvenient!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I am curious about Williams' goodbye score. I think his music for this series is among the best he's written in an already more than impressive career. TEMPLE is my favourite Williams score. I wonder if the fire will still be in DOD.

    Agree with you about Temple: I love the Crusade score like any right-minded person ( ;) ) but the fire was already ebbing by then I'd say- it's wonderful, but the sheer energy and vim of ToD has gone, replaced by more classical-ish fiddly bits.
    I would love though, if he segued into the end credits of this one just as he did with ToD though: the Raiders March kicking up a key and really getting into gear. I love that ending.
    It’s the contrivances. Oh! Here’s a jet that we can hijack! Glad that we didn’t obliterate it when we did our raid earlier, that would have been inconvenient!

    I can't disagree, and yet I love it :) It was just top fun.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 2022 Posts: 16,605
    This is lovely- more power to Mr Mangold:







    (In case he deletes it) "The diff between trolling a-holes & everyone else is they r trying to make $ off your feelings about other films & culture war politics. They push contoversial guesses as coming from "sources" to gin up clicks. Let it go. END"
  • Off topic, anyone seen the trailer for Yellowstone prequel trailer 1923? Harrison Ford and Tim Dalton as the big bad. Looks fantastic.
    Not got round to watching Yellowstone, is the prequel on Paramount+? I had no idea Dalton was in it, I will have to check it out.

    I don't have paramount+ but may well invest. Great cast. Helen Mirren and James Badge Dale amongst others.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    mtm wrote: »
    This is lovely- more power to Mr Mangold:







    (In case he deletes it) "The diff between trolling a-holes & everyone else is they r trying to make $ off your feelings about other films & culture war politics. They push contoversial guesses as coming from "sources" to gin up clicks. Let it go. END"

    Mangold is clearly lying. He is an anti-troll, just saying.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    :))
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I like seeing Mangold pushing back on the unfounded rumors.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    This is lovely- more power to Mr Mangold:







    (In case he deletes it) "The diff between trolling a-holes & everyone else is they r trying to make $ off your feelings about other films & culture war politics. They push contoversial guesses as coming from "sources" to gin up clicks. Let it go. END"

    The first time I have seen Twitter used well.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    =D>
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    A legend. Some would say he shouldn't bother but I'll always enjoy watching a filmmaker talk passionately about his film.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    A legend. Some would say he shouldn't bother but I'll always enjoy watching a filmmaker talk passionately about his film.

    And give trolls the finger.
  • Posts: 12,521
    This reminds me of all the controversy of Nomi “replacing” James Bond. A big nothing burger in the end. She happened to receive the same agent number he had, but they are clearly defined, separate characters, and there was no taking over Bond’s character whatsoever by anyone. He died a legend and everyone respected him in the end.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 2022 Posts: 16,605
    FoxRox wrote: »
    This reminds me of all the controversy of Nomi “replacing” James Bond. A big nothing burger in the end. She happened to receive the same agent number he had, but they are clearly defined, separate characters, and there was no taking over Bond’s character whatsoever by anyone. He died a legend and everyone respected him in the end.

    Yes very true, it's a cycle which seems to repeat often. These trolls always focus on a character known to people in their 30s, 40s and 50s too- they know amongst those are the ones who will be easily provoked into feeling like their childhood heroes are being stolen by the 'woke' etc.
    It's such an easy target for them. Bond himself is next for these guys when he gets recast, the cycle starts again, and people will fall for it.
    A legend. Some would say he shouldn't bother but I'll always enjoy watching a filmmaker talk passionately about his film.

    Absolutely: and don't forget Michael Wilson saying how he thought the CraigNotBond thing did actually cost them some box office on Casino Royale- I think it's actually pretty important to fight this rubbish. It should be ignored really, but these lies are getting too much traction.
    Also: bear in mind how much people say Disney is an evil mega corp (well, I'm not saying it's not :D ) and yet Mangold is pretty much going out on his own here with no sign of any corporate straight-jacketing. I think that's quite a good sign.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited December 2022 Posts: 13,999
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Oh it's great, brilliant bit of TV. It's easy to see why PWB has been so celebrated from that.
    Bonkers how she's gone from a BBC Three comedy drama like that to being involved in Bond, Star Wars and Indiana Jones!

    If the rumour is true, she'll be adding Doctor Who to that list as well.

    Yes I saw that one too; in The Sun? Absolutely not true I'd say; not least she's signed up to create content for Amazon!

    Daily Mail, I think. Not that I am advocating, or not advocating, for her to write for the next series, but is that the kind of deal she signed with Amazon? She can't contribute to anything non Amazon?

    And for what it's worth, if nothing else, Dial Of Destiny glides of the tongue (unlike the last one). And while I am on the topic of Kingdom Of The Crystal Skulls, I think it gets more hate than it deserves. Is it really that far fetched, considering some of what happened in the original trilogy?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 2022 Posts: 16,605
    Well it's hard to say isn't it. The reports say she signed a deal exclusive to Amazon, but who knows.

    Whatever it is seems to have taken an awfully long time so far, so maybe it's off. I don't buy the Sun's report anyway.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    Well it's hard to say isn't it. The reports say she signed a deal exclusive to Amazon, but who knows.

    Whatever it is seems to have taken an awfully long time so far, so maybe it's off. I don't buy the Sun's report anyway.

    I am still waiting for Edward Woodward to take over as M, and Bond to drive Ford Capri. Both were reported by one of our rags, yet neither turned out to be true. Worse still, was the phone hacking scandal that a few of them were embroiled in.
  • Posts: 9,858
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I mean I don’t see why you can’t explain the things you dislike? A lot of us would be happy to have a mature conversation about whatever it is.

    Ok you asked for it……

    Indy is still an atheist!!’ Like seriously he sees the power of god not once but twice….


    The line about it not about what you believe but how strong you believe just reeks of bullshit all religions are the same be good to yourself flower power hippie dippie crap that just annoys me……


    I mean I don’t want to get into a religious debate here and everyone here knows I am a devout Christian so possibly I am making a mountain out of a molehill

    But he saw Aliens he Saw the power of god he saw the stones he saw immortal men and power of well god again but to be more specific the power of Christ …. And yet it’s all in how strong you believe


    Sorry Indy in the universe of your films the lady who the aliens killed couldn’t just be like “well I don’t believe in you anymore”

    The guy killed by the wrong grail couldn’t say “I don’t believe in the grail” and get his health back

    It doesn’t work like that

    Ok I am going to try and just be calm here but yeah that is the secret thing that bothered me…

    Either leave religion out of you character or have them believe but don’t have the guy keep not believing only to believe at the end….

    I now fear this thread will turn into a Christian vs atheist argument and again I don’t want that I want a discussion of the films and the trailer…
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited December 2022 Posts: 8,231
    It is a valid point, to be fair. And it's one of the reasons that I always felt it was best to leave it as a trilogy. One of the things that made Indy compelling was that he was an atheist who ended up in the middle of a religious/supernatural hunt, and by the end of the third film it looked like he had finally accepted some sort of belief in God.

    However, in the last film, he sees aliens, mind control and other dimensions. It would blow the idea of God - any God - out the window. He does end in the film in a church, but there's no doubting that religion has taken a back seat by this point.

    So, the lines in the trailer may be taken out of context depending on the source of the power that they are messing with in the upcoming film. It may be another religious artifact, it may be more supernatural. What doesn't make sense in the trailer could make sense in the film.
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