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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    A lot of the deaths in KOTCS have been indirect but still done by Indy’s actions. Like when that test rocket fires off and torches a group of Russkies in the process. That might have been the most brutal death aside from the one guy that gets devoured by a colony of ants.

    The big dude that got pulled into the rock crusher in TOD was probably the worst death in the series to me; Dario in LTK got the re-do of that, but he deserved it more I think.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I hold little love for the jungle chase but that ant sequence is deliciously brutal. What a way to go.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Indy not actively killing people seems like a weird thing to be hung up about. It’s not like Indy has a license to kill. But I never had much of a bloodlust when it came to Indy. If I wanted to watch a hero kill people left and right I would watch COMMANDO.

    I must admit the bit in TLC where he murders three Nazis without warning with a machine gun does leave a slightly nasty taste in the mouth. You're carried along with it when you watch it because Spielberg is so great, but it's a pretty rough thing for Indy to do!
    chrisisall wrote: »
    A lot of the deaths in KOTCS have been indirect but still done by Indy’s actions. Like when that test rocket fires off and torches a group of Russkies in the process. That might have been the most brutal death aside from the one guy that gets devoured by a colony of ants.

    The big dude that got pulled into the rock crusher in TOD was probably the worst death in the series to me; Dario in LTK got the re-do of that, but he deserved it more I think.

    I do love the touch in that sequence that Indy tries to save him. It's nice that his instinct isn't to kill.
    Mind you, earlier in the film when he's attacked in his room, the guy is running away and Indy whips him around the throat! :D
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    mtm wrote: »
    Indy not actively killing people seems like a weird thing to be hung up about. It’s not like Indy has a license to kill. But I never had much of a bloodlust when it came to Indy. If I wanted to watch a hero kill people left and right I would watch COMMANDO.

    I must admit the bit in TLC where he murders three Nazis without warning with a machine gun does leave a slightly nasty taste in the mouth. You're carried along with it when you watch it because Spielberg is so great, but it's a pretty rough thing for Indy to do!
    chrisisall wrote: »
    A lot of the deaths in KOTCS have been indirect but still done by Indy’s actions. Like when that test rocket fires off and torches a group of Russkies in the process. That might have been the most brutal death aside from the one guy that gets devoured by a colony of ants.

    The big dude that got pulled into the rock crusher in TOD was probably the worst death in the series to me; Dario in LTK got the re-do of that, but he deserved it more I think.

    I do love the touch in that sequence that Indy tries to save him. It's nice that his instinct isn't to kill.
    Mind you, earlier in the film when he's attacked in his room, the guy is running away and Indy whips him around the throat! :D

    I think Indy intended to drag him back for a knockout punch, but things went differently than planned.
  • edited August 2023 Posts: 1,394
    There’s a bit during the Tank battle in TLC where Indy kills three Nazis with one shot.It’s pretty gruesome but it’s played for laughs.It’s the kind of thing Tarantino would come up with.

    Indy’s “ Did I really just do that? “ look on his face is what makes it funny.That kind of dark humour I missed in Crystal Skull and Dial.

    Short Round 2.0 tying the big thug at the bottom of the cavern well and and leaving him to drown was pretty dark in DOD now that I think of it.I would have preferred if Indy did it though.Fords age is what probably robbed us of another epic “ Indy vs Giant “ fight in the movie.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    As far as the gloomy tone,i liked that.It was ( somewhat ) a return to the grittiness of the original trilogy and possibly a reaction to the backlash to the EXTREME silliness of Crystal Skull ( Nuclear Bomb proof fridges,cgi gophers,Monkey swinging Mutt ).

    Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that TLC was a bit too “ family friendly “ but I seem to remember Indy gunning down a fair few Nazis in that.

    Skull and Dial don’t depict Indy actually killing anyone unless I am mistaken? The most brutal kill Indy committed was in Raiders with him shooting one thug in the head during the bar fight.There was even blood streaming down the guys face in quite grisly fashion.

    Fun for the whole family!

    How about the poor plane mechanic who gets sliced to death, albeit Indy isn't directly responsible but he plays a part in the death.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I did think that it might have been nice for Indy to have wrestled Klaber onto the floor in the plane sequence, with Indy on top, only for one of the harpoons to come through the fuselage and through Klaber. Just a nice bit of gruesome death, without the elderly Indy needing to be actually stronger than the young guy, just lucky.
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    thedove wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    As far as the gloomy tone,i liked that.It was ( somewhat ) a return to the grittiness of the original trilogy and possibly a reaction to the backlash to the EXTREME silliness of Crystal Skull ( Nuclear Bomb proof fridges,cgi gophers,Monkey swinging Mutt ).

    Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that TLC was a bit too “ family friendly “ but I seem to remember Indy gunning down a fair few Nazis in that.

    Skull and Dial don’t depict Indy actually killing anyone unless I am mistaken? The most brutal kill Indy committed was in Raiders with him shooting one thug in the head during the bar fight.There was even blood streaming down the guys face in quite grisly fashion.

    Fun for the whole family!

    How about the poor plane mechanic who gets sliced to death, albeit Indy isn't directly responsible but he plays a part in the death.

    Well the giant is the one who challenged Indy to a scrap.The big guy got himself chopped up,Indy just let it happen ( which was understandable cos it didn’t look like Indy was going to win otherwise ).Indy isn’t above cheating when he has to.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    mtm wrote: »
    I did think that it might have been nice for Indy to have wrestled Klaber onto the floor in the plane sequence, with Indy on top, only for one of the harpoons to come through the fuselage and through Klaber. Just a nice bit of gruesome death, without the elderly Indy needing to be actually stronger than the young guy, just lucky.

    I would agree, but blood loss. He was barely able to help Wombat as it was.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I did think that it might have been nice for Indy to have wrestled Klaber onto the floor in the plane sequence, with Indy on top, only for one of the harpoons to come through the fuselage and through Klaber. Just a nice bit of gruesome death, without the elderly Indy needing to be actually stronger than the young guy, just lucky.

    I would agree, but blood loss. He was barely able to help Wombat as it was.

    You're right, it was all a bit inconsistent though: one minute he's having to be carried, the next he is fighting with some guys on the plane. He actually seems to recover on the place, it's a little all over the place.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    mtm wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I did think that it might have been nice for Indy to have wrestled Klaber onto the floor in the plane sequence, with Indy on top, only for one of the harpoons to come through the fuselage and through Klaber. Just a nice bit of gruesome death, without the elderly Indy needing to be actually stronger than the young guy, just lucky.

    I would agree, but blood loss. He was barely able to help Wombat as it was.

    You're right, it was all a bit inconsistent though: one minute he's having to be carried, the next he is fighting with some guys on the plane. He actually seems to recover on the place, it's a little all over the place.

    Helena in trouble gave him a momentary adrenaline burst he might not have had for just himself. Once on the ground he was looking like he was almost done with consciousness. Then she ensured it.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah that works for me :)
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    Watched the 1985 version of King Solomon’s Mines for the first time in many years last night.



    Great fun! I think it’s a better “ Indiana Jones “ movie than either Crystal Skull or Dial Of Destiny.And actually the character of Allan Quatermain partly inspired Indy.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    It's not a better film than any Indy, but it is huge silly fun. The (terrific) music manages to convince you you're watching a much more exciting film, but it's all very endearing.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Watched the 1985 version of King Solomon’s Mines for the first time in many years last night.



    Great fun! I think it’s a better “ Indiana Jones “ movie than either Crystal Skull or Dial Of Destiny.And actually the character of Allan Quatermain partly inspired Indy.

    That trailer sold me. Time to add it to my Watchlist.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Watched the 1985 version of King Solomon’s Mines for the first time in many years last night.



    Great fun! I think it’s a better “ Indiana Jones “ movie than either Crystal Skull or Dial Of Destiny.And actually the character of Allan Quatermain partly inspired Indy.

    That trailer sold me. Time to add it to my Watchlist.

    You’re in for a good time.It’s clearly an attempt to replicate the appeal of Raiders ( Even John Rhys-Davies is in it! ) but Richard Chamberlin makes for a very likeable hero and Sharon Stone is gorgeous ( channeling more Willie Scott than Marion Ravenwood ).

    Amazon Prime have a good quality version.

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    And don't forget to watch this one :

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Watched the 1985 version of King Solomon’s Mines for the first time in many years last night.



    Great fun! I think it’s a better “ Indiana Jones “ movie than either Crystal Skull or Dial Of Destiny.And actually the character of Allan Quatermain partly inspired Indy.

    That trailer sold me. Time to add it to my Watchlist.

    You have to turn your brain off, and it's a Cannon film so the budget is being stretched incredibly tight, but if you're in the right frame of mind it's very fun.
    There's even a scene in there (one of its most gloriously silly gags) which Dial of Destiny echoes, bizarrely.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Yeah I made it 15 minutes in so far (had to pause for work) and the Raiders influences couldn't be any more defined.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I never saw King Solomon's Mines! Jerry Goldsmith? Sharon Stone? How did I miss this???
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    Saw it in the cinema. Enjoyable. But certainly no rival to 'Raiders'
    J.Lee Thompson the director I believe?
    Anyone remember the T.V. show 'Bring Em Back Alive'?
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    edited August 2023 Posts: 9,031
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Saw it in the cinema. Enjoyable. But certainly no rival to 'Raiders'
    J.Lee Thompson the director I believe?
    Anyone remember the T.V. show 'Bring Em Back Alive'?

    No. The director is James Mangold. I'm glad you found it enjoyable, as I did...considerably so. And no, I don't remember that TV show, although I just found out via Google that it was also shown in Germany in 1993 or so, when my wife and I had almost entirely quit watching TV except a few perceived gems. Which persisted...we don't have a shred of a clue what has happened on TV for the last twenty-plus years.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Saw it in the cinema. Enjoyable. But certainly no rival to 'Raiders'
    J.Lee Thompson the director I believe?
    Anyone remember the T.V. show 'Bring Em Back Alive'?

    No. The director is James Mangold. I'm glad you found it enjoyable, as I did...considerably so. And no, I don't remember that TV show, although I just found out via Google that it was also shown in Germany in 1993 or so, when my wife and I had almost entirely quit watching TV except a few perceived gems. Which persisted...we don't have a shred of a clue what has happened on TV for the last twenty-plus years.
    He was referring to King Solomon's Mines, not Dial Of Destiny.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    OK, thanks, didn't realize this.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    OK, thanks, didn't realize this.

    No prob. You ever see King Solomon's Mines or its sequel? I missed them both....
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Secret of the Incas (1954) is also worth checking out.

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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Secret of the Incas (1954) is also worth checking out.

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    I read that's where they got the ideas for Indy's look.
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Saw it in the cinema. Enjoyable. But certainly no rival to 'Raiders'
    J.Lee Thompson the director I believe?
    Anyone remember the T.V. show 'Bring Em Back Alive'?

    Actually, I was the second assistant film editor on King Solomon's Mines. J. Lee Thompson was a wonderful gentleman. Got to meet Jerry Goldsmith who did the score. He was an interesting, laid back character. The film actually opened very well, at number 1 in US with a $15 million weekend, which, if u consider it was 1985, was pretty damn good. Because we did that film, Cannon hired the editor, John Shirley, myself and rest of team to do Superman IV - but, as we all know, that didn't go so well.
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    ColonelSun wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Saw it in the cinema. Enjoyable. But certainly no rival to 'Raiders'
    J.Lee Thompson the director I believe?
    Anyone remember the T.V. show 'Bring Em Back Alive'?

    Actually, I was the second assistant film editor on King Solomon's Mines. J. Lee Thompson was a wonderful gentleman. Got to meet Jerry Goldsmith who did the score. He was an interesting, laid back character. The film actually opened very well, at number 1 in US with a $15 million weekend, which, if u consider it was 1985, was pretty damn good. Because we did that film, Cannon hired the editor, John Shirley, myself and rest of team to do Superman IV - but, as we all know, that didn't go so well.

    J. Lee Thompson is old school, and did some cracking movies in his heyday, 'The Guns of Navarone' being one of my favourites. He ended up doing Charles Bronson dross in the 80s.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    ColonelSun wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Saw it in the cinema. Enjoyable. But certainly no rival to 'Raiders'
    J.Lee Thompson the director I believe?
    Anyone remember the T.V. show 'Bring Em Back Alive'?

    Actually, I was the second assistant film editor on King Solomon's Mines. J. Lee Thompson was a wonderful gentleman. Got to meet Jerry Goldsmith who did the score. He was an interesting, laid back character. The film actually opened very well, at number 1 in US with a $15 million weekend, which, if u consider it was 1985, was pretty damn good. Because we did that film, Cannon hired the editor, John Shirley, myself and rest of team to do Superman IV - but, as we all know, that didn't go so well.

    Yes i remember recently seeing a clip from Film ‘85 where Barry Norman would do a rundown of the US top 10, and it was full of big stuff like Back to the Future, and I was pretty amazed that King Solomon was at no.1!
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