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  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    Posts: 1,500
    chrisisall wrote: »
    I guess this is something that everyone here knows, but it still bakes my noodle that Spielberg wanted to do a James Bond movie, and then he snagged Sean Connery for his third Indy film.

    Where is the problem? I don't understand what you mean.
  • ringfire211ringfire211
    Posts: 662
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    I guess this is something that everyone here knows, but it still bakes my noodle that Spielberg wanted to do a James Bond movie, and then he snagged Sean Connery for his third Indy film.

    Where is the problem? I don't understand what you mean.
    Yeah I don’t get what the issue is either. Spielberg wanted to do a Bond film but got to do Raiders instead. Then some years later he got Connery to play Indy’s dad. So what’s the issue here?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited January 2 Posts: 4,731
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    I guess this is something that everyone here knows, but it still bakes my noodle that Spielberg wanted to do a James Bond movie, and then he snagged Sean Connery for his third Indy film.

    Where is the problem? I don't understand what you mean.
    Yeah I don’t get what the issue is either. Spielberg wanted to do a Bond film but got to do Raiders instead. Then some years later he got Connery to play Indy’s dad. So what’s the issue here?

    I don't see an issue with either. We got great to decent Bond and Indy films in the 80's because of it. Everyone's a winner here in my view.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,863
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    I guess this is something that everyone here knows, but it still bakes my noodle that Spielberg wanted to do a James Bond movie, and then he snagged Sean Connery for his third Indy film.

    Where is the problem? I don't understand what you mean.

    My bad- I just MEANT that it was amazing that he got to work with Connery after stating that he'd liked to have done a Bond film.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 25,465
    chrisisall wrote: »
    There was a time when I was sort of vaguely apologetic for liking Crystal Skull in much the same way as I was for liking Die Another Day. Those days are over. I love both of them, and if you don't it's your loss. On the flip side of this I don't know if I will ever watch Dial Of Destiny or No Time To Die ever again, and in the short run that may be my loss.
    I may come to a dramatic reversal and rediscover them in the coming year(s), who can tell. Ever in motion are we....
    Happy New Year!

    What DAD and KOTCS have which the last Bond and Indy films don't have much of is simple fun. Indy in DOD I am not a fan of at all.

    I have been revising the PB era and I go back to PB's films because they are fun, I like PB as Bond more as time passes. Overall I find three of DC's Bond films a bit dreary and depressing at times.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    Posts: 7,643
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    There was a time when I was sort of vaguely apologetic for liking Crystal Skull in much the same way as I was for liking Die Another Day. Those days are over. I love both of them, and if you don't it's your loss. On the flip side of this I don't know if I will ever watch Dial Of Destiny or No Time To Die ever again, and in the short run that may be my loss.
    I may come to a dramatic reversal and rediscover them in the coming year(s), who can tell. Ever in motion are we....
    Happy New Year!

    What DAD and KOTCS have which the last Bond and Indy films don't have much of is simple fun. Indy in DOD I am not a fan of at all.

    I have been revising the PB era and I go back to PB's films because they are fun, I like PB as Bond more as time passes. Overall I find three of DC's Bond films a bit dreary and depressing at times.

    I'd still take any One of Craigs Bond films over all 4 of Brossas! (Even SF which I don't really enjoy!)
    Just don't get anything out of the PB era, such a struggle to get through!
  • ringfire211ringfire211
    Posts: 662
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    There was a time when I was sort of vaguely apologetic for liking Crystal Skull in much the same way as I was for liking Die Another Day. Those days are over. I love both of them, and if you don't it's your loss. On the flip side of this I don't know if I will ever watch Dial Of Destiny or No Time To Die ever again, and in the short run that may be my loss.
    I may come to a dramatic reversal and rediscover them in the coming year(s), who can tell. Ever in motion are we....
    Happy New Year!

    What DAD and KOTCS have which the last Bond and Indy films don't have much of is simple fun. Indy in DOD I am not a fan of at all.

    I have been revising the PB era and I go back to PB's films because they are fun, I like PB as Bond more as time passes. Overall I find three of DC's Bond films a bit dreary and depressing at times.

    I'd still take any One of Craigs Bond films over all 4 of Brossas! (Even SF which I don't really enjoy!)
    Just don't get anything out of the PB era, such a struggle to get through!
    The only 2 watchable Craig films are CR and SF, with the latter being my favorite from his lackluster tenure. The other 3 are unwatchable messes which if I never saw again wouldn’t phase me in the least. So much for the Craig era being the second coming that everyone heralded when CR came out back in 2006. It’s not even that the Craig films are dreary (which they are and lacking in the fun factor) but it’s like the producers simply forgot how to make Bond movies. Actually they don’t want to make Bond movies anymore. They make something and throw weird crap in to try to be “relevant” and no amount of technical expertise or beautiful cinematography can hide the fact the end result is crap. The writing is crap. The characterizations and motivations are crap. They simply refuse to embrace what Cubby did back in the day and that is to make pure cinematic Bond films. Instead of the “this time it’s personal” crap that we’ve been getting for at least 2 decades now, with additional crap thrown in to stay “relevant” and to appease Craig who refuses to do traditional Bond (no, you gotta kill my Bond or I ain’t doing another one).
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
    Posts: 2,011
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    There was a time when I was sort of vaguely apologetic for liking Crystal Skull in much the same way as I was for liking Die Another Day. Those days are over. I love both of them, and if you don't it's your loss. On the flip side of this I don't know if I will ever watch Dial Of Destiny or No Time To Die ever again, and in the short run that may be my loss.
    I may come to a dramatic reversal and rediscover them in the coming year(s), who can tell. Ever in motion are we....
    Happy New Year!

    What DAD and KOTCS have which the last Bond and Indy films don't have much of is simple fun. Indy in DOD I am not a fan of at all.

    I have been revising the PB era and I go back to PB's films because they are fun, I like PB as Bond more as time passes. Overall I find three of DC's Bond films a bit dreary and depressing at times.

    I'd still take any One of Craigs Bond films over all 4 of Brossas! (Even SF which I don't really enjoy!)
    Just don't get anything out of the PB era, such a struggle to get through!

    You can make the case for all of Craigs films but QOS are better than Brosnan's films. QoS is the worst Bond film of all time. If speed 2 cruise control was a Bond film I would even say that movie is better than QOS
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    Posts: 1,500
    I think Craig's movies are better than Brosnan's... but I'm tired of them. I'm ready to see what the future holds.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited January 3 Posts: 25,465
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    There was a time when I was sort of vaguely apologetic for liking Crystal Skull in much the same way as I was for liking Die Another Day. Those days are over. I love both of them, and if you don't it's your loss. On the flip side of this I don't know if I will ever watch Dial Of Destiny or No Time To Die ever again, and in the short run that may be my loss.
    I may come to a dramatic reversal and rediscover them in the coming year(s), who can tell. Ever in motion are we....
    Happy New Year!

    What DAD and KOTCS have which the last Bond and Indy films don't have much of is simple fun. Indy in DOD I am not a fan of at all.

    I have been revising the PB era and I go back to PB's films because they are fun, I like PB as Bond more as time passes. Overall I find three of DC's Bond films a bit dreary and depressing at times.

    I'd still take any One of Craigs Bond films over all 4 of Brossas! (Even SF which I don't really enjoy!)
    Just don't get anything out of the PB era, such a struggle to get through!

    CR and QoS are top tier for me then the films just changed and I did not enjoy them though I do like the mini movie at the start of NTTD.
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    I think Craig's movies are better than Brosnan's... but I'm tired of them. I'm ready to see what the future holds.

    I would be happy with a fun Bond adventure no melodrama and outlandish practical stunts.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited January 3 Posts: 8,508
    Exactly. Craigs never been my cup of tea but I was content with the different direction of his films until after Skyfall it started to feel like they were covering the same ground and they needed to change course a bit, and then the issues slowly started to become more apparent but EON just kept doubling down on the same shtick and repeating the same tired ideas. Bond and M having trust issues (seriously, why are they on icy terms in every single film?), a figure stepping out of "the shadows" who we've never met or have any knowledge of but has a intimate history with one of the characters, Bond going rogue/into hiding/retiring, bond being outmoded, behind the times and beaten down "bullet in the knee... the one that works" etc. People can say many of these have been used in Bond films in the past but thats the thing, something only gets worn out the more you use it. Personally I don't think we're going to see any progress until P+W are no longer involved on any capacity. It doesn't matter if its a new actor they'll find a way to retrofit a Bond hides on an island subplot in there, and have M distrustful of him again. At this point there's probably less risk in just letting a writer director come in and craft their own story, with Babs giving notes or suggestions. I know there's a danger with that, but I'm just sick of going to Bond films and know the same beats are going to be there in some form, and it's going to be presented to us like they didn't just do the exact same thing the last time. Bond films are infrequent enough nowadays as it is... :-w
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,019
    Now that we're wildly off topic, has anyone played the Great Circle game yet? I'm itching for it to make its way to the PS5 this year.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 5,523
    We seem to be drifting ever so slightly off the topic of this thread.

    What are the thoughts on other actors ever portraying Indy? Or does this character only ever belong to Ford? Will Disney be content to never have Indy on screen again? Or will they exploit other stories and characters within the Indy universe? Would a Short Round adventure work? Do we want to see Abner Ravenwood brought to life?

    If the character does indeed die with Ford, is there a comparable out there? Stallone as Rambo and Rocky? Downy Jr. as Ironman? Depp as Captain Jack Sparrow?
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    edited January 3 Posts: 1,500
    My bet is that it will end up being a TV series. Indiana Jones in the 20's, for example.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited January 3 Posts: 25,465
    'I would be happy with a fun Bond adventure no melodrama and outlandish practical stunts.'

    Back on topic and quoting myself this is pretty much what makes a good Indy film.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,710
    thedove wrote: »
    We seem to be drifting ever so slightly off the topic of this thread.

    What are the thoughts on other actors ever portraying Indy? Or does this character only ever belong to Ford? Will Disney be content to never have Indy on screen again? Or will they exploit other stories and characters within the Indy universe? Would a Short Round adventure work? Do we want to see Abner Ravenwood brought to life?

    If the character does indeed die with Ford, is there a comparable out there? Stallone as Rambo and Rocky? Downy Jr. as Ironman? Depp as Captain Jack Sparrow?

    I feel like with DOD flopping it's done for the forseeable. It would be nice if Great Circle kicked off a comeback, but I don't have high hopes.

    At the time I thought DOD actually had a good spinoff in it: the prologue with Indy and Basil in Nazi-occupied Europe rescuing stolen treasures seemed a good basis for an Indy-spinoff adventure TV show to me. Get Toby Jones in and have him as part of some team or other, going about similar activities in the war, having adventures.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,863
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    'I would be happy with a fun Bond adventure no melodrama and outlandish practical stunts.'

    Back on topic and quoting myself this is pretty much what makes a good Indy film.

    Yeah, the beginning of DOD wasn't bad (though we'd already seen his character introduced as being in the custody of bad guys in the previous film), and the car chase was fun, but so much of it was NOT fun, and so many innocents were killed...
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited 12:32am Posts: 8,239
    I'd love to see an animated Indy series, set during the time that @mtm suggests. Make it a Star Wars: Clone Wars or Rebels type thing.

    You could continue on with some other fun, unseen adventures and go all the way up to Indy and Mac's adventures during the Cold War before Crystal Skull.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,731
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    I'd love to see an animated Indy series, set during the time that @mtm suggests. Make it a Star Wars: Clone Wars or Rebels type thing.

    You could continue on with some other fun, unseen adventures and go all the way up to Indy and Mac's adventures during the Cold War before Crystal Skull.

    One of Indy and Mac's WW2 adventures is actually Army of the Dead. Yes, Indy deserves more media usage.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,239
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    I'd love to see an animated Indy series, set during the time that @mtm suggests. Make it a Star Wars: Clone Wars or Rebels type thing.

    You could continue on with some other fun, unseen adventures and go all the way up to Indy and Mac's adventures during the Cold War before Crystal Skull.

    One of Indy and Mac's WW2 adventures is actually Army of the Dead. Yes, Indy deserves more media usage.

    I've never read any of the Indy books. Are they any use?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,731
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    I'd love to see an animated Indy series, set during the time that @mtm suggests. Make it a Star Wars: Clone Wars or Rebels type thing.

    You could continue on with some other fun, unseen adventures and go all the way up to Indy and Mac's adventures during the Cold War before Crystal Skull.

    One of Indy and Mac's WW2 adventures is actually Army of the Dead. Yes, Indy deserves more media usage.

    I've never read any of the Indy books. Are they any use?

    I've only read Army of the Dead, set in 1944. With zombies, and more character development for the villains. I enjoyed it greatly. Unfortunately, the other Indiana Jones books are out of print. So I honestly don't know. I hope Lucasfilm both reprints them, and starts writing new adventures.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,863
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    I'd love to see an animated Indy series, set during the time that @mtm suggests. Make it a Star Wars: Clone Wars or Rebels type thing.

    You could continue on with some other fun, unseen adventures and go all the way up to Indy and Mac's adventures during the Cold War before Crystal Skull.

    One of Indy and Mac's WW2 adventures is actually Army of the Dead. Yes, Indy deserves more media usage.

    I've never read any of the Indy books. Are they any use?

    I've only read Army of the Dead, set in 1944. With zombies, and more character development for the villains. I enjoyed it greatly. Unfortunately, the other Indiana Jones books are out of print. So I honestly don't know. I hope Lucasfilm both reprints them, and starts writing new adventures.

    I enjoyed Army Of The Dead as well. As for out of print- I got all of Max McCoy's Indy novels used on eBay.
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