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So pretty much how NTTD is most likely going to be then.
Also, while Indiana had a romantic lead, it's certainly not in the context of womanizing I don't think, so what exactly would he be being shamed for? Falling in love in one movie? Kissing a girl in another? Being seduced by a femme-fatale? And then falling back in love with the same woman from the first movie?
I think the casting of Phoebe fits with the franchise.
It must be terrible to not be able to enjoy anything anymore because of these precognitions. I feel for him.
Indeed, well said. I don't know why people get so excited about the prospect of desperately finding something to be upset about. As if masculinity is so fragile that it can't stand a few women getting good roles in a film.
The main baddie in the last Indiana Jones film was (played brilliantly by) a woman. The concept of manhood somehow struggled on.
I guess to be fair, if there is anything he should be shamed for it's for his very questionable relationship with the underage Marion! :) But there's zero chance of this big budget action adventure film going anywhere near that because it's supposed to be fun, and it was more than half a century ago from his point of view :D
As for Kennedy - a lot of the creative judgment calls in the recent Star Wars trilogy were not great (certainly not to my liking, at least), but I don't see how that makes her fitting for such an accusation, either.
PWB is only ‘woke’ (and I hate that term) because she seems to believe in writing strong roles for both men and women. I’m not sure what’s supposed to be upsetting about that.
If you sat these anti-wokesters down in front of Raiders and told them it had been made in 2021 they’d all have taken to Twitter to vent their fury by the time we see Marion drinking a guy twice her size under the table. It’s just boring.
I agree about a lack of romance for Indy in this one, doesn’t seem likely. Beyond a bit of affection for his wife perhaps.
^^This. This, this, this. PWB has never made any comment about Bond being a womanizer. Her character on Fleabag bangs a whole ton of dudes, so she's not exactly on set to act as the morals police. She was hired for the same reason Paul Haggis was hired for CR: because she's a good dialogue writer and she is capable of taking a good scene and making it great. That's really it. Bond isn't suddenly going to start drinking strawberry daiquiris and only cuddling with women instead of having sex with them just because ONE woman in the entire series' history was brought on to polish (not write) the script.
Not to sound overly "woke" myself, but if a sixty-year-old movie franchise had been written entirely by women and one man came in to write a draft of its 25th film, would women be discussing it? Would anyone on the planet give a crap? Because it baffles me that PWB's name in the credits is a talking point to anyone beyond "Oh cool, good writer!"
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Based on some of the other prominent criticisms made there, are the other Craig films "woke" too?
What am I supposed to be looking at?
I think.
https://screenrant.com/indiana-jones-5-movie-script-mads-mikkelsen-response/
Who will be announced next? Christoph Waltz? Ralph Fiennes? Anthony Hopkins? Karen Allen returning?
The character represents the exact opposite of that ideology, he's a straight, white western chauvinist male, out for Queen and country. It seems, if the trailers are to be believed, the filmmakers threw the "old ways are the best" message in the lavatory and hopped on the bandwagon instead. Bond has never been a progressive, and its bizarre that anyone would want the films to become that. There are plenty of woke films you can see being made today, it never ends well. let Bond be Bond.
Where did anyone say that?
And he likely will always be that way. For all the pre-emptive criticism of PWB and her minor contributions to the next film; it was her who said (all the way back when she was first hired) that the attitudes in the films and thus the world that Bond inhabits can change but he himself must always stay the same. That's one of the things that can make him interesting going forward - he's a walking, talking anachronism.
This is the Indiana Jones thread @Mendes4Lyfe - just to confirm that anyone complaining about ‘woke’ isn’t really paying attention :D
Anyway, excited to see how Indiana Jones progresses :)
Yep. I'm sure PWB will be excellent in it, too. ;)
Doesn't really have mileage for the next, say, 50 years, does it? Bond has moved with the times, but to make him a permanent foil in his own franchise seems like a mighty sacrifice for such a prestigious franchise to have to make. Is there any evidence to suggest people don't like Bond being the way he is, and always has been? As far as I can tell, nothing has changed. In fact, I'd say people go to see Bond films precisely because he is who he is.
Indiana Jones?