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I adore the Craig era and I don't make such arguments. My huge adoration for the Craig Bond era is WHY I know he and Bourne are nothing alike.
Fully agreed, friend. Not Craig neither Bond are nothing alike Bourne. Those discussions just make everyone lose their time.
I don't have nothing against the people who build the discussions, but i'd like to see them researching a bit more, seeing more Bond movies, then they could talk something. And even see that their point of views are senseless.
seeing as you are from a culture were viewers, even males, prefer "emotional humans with a heart", or as any true British or european man will call them "an emo crybaby wimp", in their movies, I cannot expect you to understand the reaction to such characters in Europe, especially the UK, were such characters are sickening to males. If Bond is to continue to show emotion, and put his feelings before his country to such an extent he will actually BETRAY his country, then they will have to make him an American CIA agent. because, true Englishmen simply do not behave like that. In the United Kingdom, were Bond is supposed to be from, it is considered disgusting in the extreme for a man to show any form of emotions other than humour or anger. If you show emotions like fear or sadness, you will be slapped and told to "man up and stop being so Pathetic". in Europe, due to Bond not only being humiliated by women (often still considered as second class citizens in much of mainland and eastern Europe) and Bond showing emotions is so sickening to the men, that many will actually WALK OUT OF THE CINEMA in Disgust and offence before the film is finished. This is not good for business. Bond and Damon's Bourne have many similarities, and all of them are disgusting traits. They are both insubordinate, they are both highly unprofessional in attitude, motivated more by a "need to kill" than patriotic duty and neither can follow orders. Both show emotions such as tears or fear, something that is Sickening from a man to a Englishman or a European, as in those cultures, tears are only supposed to be shed by females or boys under the age of 7, and both have BETRAYED their country due to there "feelings". Above all, Craig's Bond most certainly should never show emotion or be insubordinate, According to the Casino Royale tie in sitem, and the novel, "carte blanche", he is supposed to be ex special forces. Showing even the Slightest sign of insubordination or emotion in the UK army WILL see you discharged. as being "mentally unsuited for military life" at the mildest, he would be placed in E.N.S.A, a non combatant entertainment corps, It should also be noted his behavior in "quantum of solace" would have had him executed by the British secret service for treason in real life, not see him re-employed. Craig's portrayal of Bond may be 3 dimensional and "with heart". But, it is charachteristically wrong for a charachter who is supposed to be an English man. 3d humans with heart is purely teenagers' culture, as British males are culturally discouraged from showing any form of "unmanly" emotions, with only Humour or anger being considered as acceptably manly emotional states. Yes, being highly emotionally reserved, and extremely patriotic with no care for "feelings" and only the "objective", and following orders without question, might be seen by some high minded critics as one dimensional, but that is because they want to see emotional "man-children" to use a Uk description and not Men, they should stick to love movies and other such "females entertainment" were emotions are encouraged, and ignore the Bond films, or action movies in general, where the viewers, especially in the UK, want to see there ideal of a MAN. Someone who is emotionally highly reserved, loathe to showing any "unmanly" emotions such as fear or sadness, someone who is highly patriotic, and places what is "important" above any sort of feeling. You may call that character, which is essentially what was seen in Bloodstone and older Bond movies "one dimensional" but it is what the "British male hero" is supposed to be. If they keep Bond as being emotional to the point of being unmanly and showing fear and sadness and placing feelings above country, and being insubordinate were as the true Brit is expected to do as he is told without question, then they will have to make him an American, a Matt Damon Jason Bourne-type person (forget about Michael Westen as he's a MAN, Emotionally reserved, follows orders without question, and would never betray his country, although it betrayed him, as "vengeance" is the emotion of a deranged child, and not of a proper man, it should be noted the Bourne of the original triology and Bourne '88 (Richard Chamberlain) also followed a less emotional, more manly, portrayal, chamberlains bordering almost on gentlemanly.), as Bond will no longer be the true British hero he was in the past and will no longer appeal to Britain. The current emotional portrayal of Bond is in fact Offensive to the British. So, why make their country look like "an exact copy of the fictional america of Hollywood, but in minature"?
just make him a "modern Emotional American" and have done. He simply just doesn't behave British. He doesn't have the patriotism and professionalism a British person is culturally expected to have, he shows no sign of the male British emotional reserve. So, why continue to insult Britain by saying this highly unprofessional, traitorous, emotional and Hollywood-ized character is British, just make him a "Modern Hollywood American", where that sort of behavior is culturally acceptable and have done. Because this current 3d portrayal is both OFFENSIVE and culturally unacceptable to British and European males. If they want to keep him British, they will have to make him the 1 dimensional character again, as that is what Britain and Europe expect MEN to be like under there culture.
you will hesitate to pull the trigger, you will die. Because the enemy has been brainwashed by a sick and insidious religion, and is most probably high on quat. He wont mourn your dearth. He will dance on the corpse of the "western devil"
above all, feeling empathy and emotion will Distract you from the objective. The job is to take down the enemy quickly and efficiently. And to me, the enemy is anyone who inst in NATO uniform. You start feeling sympathy for the enemy, they have got you
they can brainwash you convert you to there way of thinking. So, instead of fighting for your country, you come home and detonate a bomb outside the houses of parliament
they deserve no pity nor empathy, only death. Anyone who cannot realize that is unfit for army life and should instead become a school teacher. Note, I must add that although I am not in the armed forces, my father was, and its his experiences and opinions i am basing this on. Of course, you must never celebrate the enemies death
as that makes you a sociopath, more fitting for the third reich than a modern army,
killing is a duty. pure and simple. You must neither celebrate nor mourn it. You just do it, and feel Nothing. You must have no empathy for anyone not even a kid lying in the gutter. For one day, he will grow up a terrorist. You should only have empathy for the people who mean something to you; your mum, your dad, your girlfreind, your family... The special needs kid down the road, your mates. Everyone else is a potential obstacle standing between you and the next paycheck, and isn't even worthy of more than a cursory glance, let alone any form of emotion. On the matter of Vesper, Bond should NOT have shown emotion. She betrayed her country and she deserved to die. A professional would have been Objective about it and forgotten any previous feelings for her, and seen only the traitor, the enemy, who stabbed her country in the back. A true professional would have stood on top of the elevator and kicked away the brake, and drowned her personally. knowing there would be no way to extract her to be tortured for information. So you might as well just kill her, as she is of no use to your country as she cant be extracted and she is going to kill herself anyway.
As with Tracy, by God, NOT showing emotions would have made Bond a psychopath
but crying was too childish, he wimped out. A true man would have shown TOTAL devestation, he would have been BROKEN. But he would NOT cry, he would take that sadness, and convert it to "motivation" to hunt down and exterminate Blofeld, not in vengeance of Tracy, but to prevent him from killing anyone else. It's too late for her. Think of the people still living, that is a professionals attitude. You shoudlnt hide all your emotions, but you should CONTROLL them. Craig's Bond shows no emotional control. He acts like a child. a true man would show restrained. and release his emotions in a controlled manner later when he is on his own. You may show love, but only to the person you love, and not in front of other men. The only time you may show love with a man watching and not be considered a jessie is to your child, or a "special person". Hate and resentment will destroy you if released just as surely as the would if bottled up. you neither bottle them nor show them, you ACT on them. you convert them into objective though. and then you calmly and disspationately act on that thought. Sadness, you must NEVER show sadness in public! You show it when no one is looking. And you must never cry. Women and children cry. Bourne betrayed his country, because he attacked it. He was too foolish and emotional and childlike to see that being taken advantage of is PART OF THE JOB. The job of groups like treadstone is to defeat the enemy, by ANY AND ALL MEANS. every asset is expendable, all that matters to them is the objective. that is a PROFESSIONAL mindset. If you cannot accept you are an "expendable asset", then you don't do that job, you mean nothing. There is no right, and there is no wrong
all that matters is the objective. People talk about rules and civilized conduct.
that's "bogus" to quote you. It's anesthetic. Things weak, empathetic people need to endure the bloody horror of taking another human life. A professional will know that it is anesthetic, and wont need it. A professional will know that people are objects
pawns on a chessboard. And will know that all that matters is the objective. Everything else, even there own sanity is irrelevant. Bond must not be a totally emotionless robot
but he should be professional he should not show overt emotions. He should control them and use them as fuel... like he used to do. He should see that all that matters is the objective, and should ignore any option of good and evil. as those things are subjective. Look at Russia. or China in the past. they were the Mortal enemy. the evil...
now, we trade with them. we negotiate they are not the evil mortal enemy anymore
so good and bad is rubbish it's all tied to the whim of our political masters. So bond, as a professional. should see that and thus work only on the objective. Taking down the "enemy" to protect his country at the cost, if necessary, of his own Soul. as NOTHING, is to small to give to your country. If you want to right wrongs, then join an anti war peace movement. if you haven't already going on your disgusting hatred for people who have the guts to kill for there country. i myself know i don't personally have the guts. But i admire those who do. My father, and all those like him before, during and since. they are willing to sacrifice there soul to protect us. because they are professionals. if you cannot admire that, then don't watch Bond. Because that is what Bond should be to me, a cold blooded, heartless, objective driven, professional
who will give it all, even his soul, for his Country!
This not only isn't the time and place for it, but it would never end well. Even speaking of some of this sickens me because it goes against so much we all fight for and feel to think that one has no right to show how they feel. Rubbish. With that, this thread and I part ways.
No problem with that discussion. But well, I feel bad for the end. :(
What is a "country", besides a worthless group of politicians who's minds change minute to minute. Why should anyone, even a cold-blooded and heartless man, sacrifice everything for people who deem him useless at the drop of a hat?
And as for your bullsh*t about PTSD sufferers, go to hell. I have an uncle suffering from PTSD, and he could still kick your ass seven days a week. He's the toughest man I know and he damn near screams every time a spider crawls along the wall.
Clearly, you have a very misguided sense of "duty", as if soldiers and agents should fight for the worthless people in charge simply because they're in charge. No one should fight for anything except what they believe in, whatever that is.
No offense, but, to give the old sergeant major quote "oh dear, how sad, nevermind", he shouldn't have joined, the fact we have so many PTSD sufferers now is because too many people who are not mentally correct for military life are joining, to be able to go to war, is not a case of how tough a person is, the training you receive sees to that
hell, a person can join as a skinny wimp and then leave after 2 years of square bashing and be able to LITERALLY kick the hind legs of a rhino.
The problem is, is the mind. To be able to go to war and return, Kind of sane, requires you to be completely, and totally, and utterly PSYCHOTIC. That is what being a soldier is, its a form of Insanity. To be able to go to war, and not come out severely mentally f*cked, requires a person who is Highly naturally aggressive, has next to no ideals, feels no empathy for there fellow humans, and sees humanity as "meat". and that is before you join, long before the Sergeant Major/ Drill Sergeant has dealt with you.
you have to be a total dirt-bag and a hard motherf*cker.
If you are not that, if you have ANY empathy or compassion for your fellow human beings. DO NOT JOIN!!!!
Because war WILL destroy your sanity and that is FROM a Former Sergeant Major, someone who knows what they are talking about.
If you want to join via some sense of patriotism, but also know you have humanity and empathy, then join the entertainment corps, because, I'm sorry, the sheer horror and violence and fear of war will destroy you, pure and simple.
Do you know what a bullet does to someone, the damage it does to human flesh? imagine the effect of hundreds of bullets, and then imagine what they would do to the body of a child.
Because in some of these terror nations, even the five year olds will try and kill you,.
if you have any form of humanity or empathy, your brain will not survive.
being a soldier is not the honourable occupation that it is presented as in the media, it is dark, dirty, and evil.
To be a soldier, you have to be evil or your brain will not survive.
Do you know what the difference between a "good hero" and and "evil villain" is? The Hero is on the side that won the war, because its the victor that writes the history books.
To us, "Stormin'" Norman Schwarzkopf, is a great hero, were as Saddam Hussein was the greatest evil since Adolf Hitler Or Joseph Stalin. But for the people of Iraq, Hussein was a Great Hero and Schwarzkopf was satan himself. There was no difference between them. They both hired people to kill other people, they both bombed cities causing countless civilian deaths, they were both responsible for intense suffering and carnage in pursuit of the "objective". total. Victory over the Enemy.
We only see Schwarzkopf as a hero because the Americans won "Desert Storm"
Had the Iraqis won, we'd have seen Hussein as the hero, because it would have been the Iraqis who wrote the history book.
Soldiers are evil. If you want to be a hero, become a cop. They are heroes. Don't become a soldier, because soldiers are evil. you have to be evil, or you go mad.
That is why soldiers who get PTSD are, in my father opinion, too weak for the job, because, they are NOT evil. They have humanity and empathy, and that is what allows the horrors of war to get into there brain and mess it up. To be immune to the horror of war, you have got to be completely and totally evil.
You know what a soldier is at the end of the day? a serial killer who is immune to the law.
"It seems to me, that all of society rests on the death of men, and thus it takes men of a rough, evil persuasion to do what most empathetic and humane humans cannot, kill his fellow man to ensure the continuation of society, these men are called soldiers"
-Ralphe Waldo Emmerson
If you feel a country is set of politicians, then it is you who is misguided. A true patriot has no time for politics, because the politicians are more the enemy than the enemy, because they constantly change there minds on what is good and what is evil.
I am afraid to admit you are correct on that. But that is NOT what a country is. Only an anarchist think that a country is nothing but a bunch of worthless politicians, and I rank anarchists the same way I rank Al Quida as the enemy, to be exterminated without hesitation or remorse until not ONE is left.
a country is an IDEAL, a CULTURE, its PEOPLE. A country, and ill use the UK as an example. It's your mum, your girlfriend, your family. The little girl with downs syndrome at the end of the street you spoil rotten!
i'ts the Ideal of tea and crumpets in the afternoon, it's the sound of Big Ben booming out over the Thames. It's the image of old men playing cricket on the village green
that is what a country is an IDEAL and the People you care about, and the People you care about and that is why even your SOUL is a valid sacrifice.
How would you like it if some crazy guy from some backward desert came along and blew up Big Ben, burned the village green, sliced your mothers throat, r*ped the dog, and then shoved the special girl in a death camp all for the "offense" of not believing in allah?
because those people WILL do that. because they are brainwashed
they believe it is the right thing to do against "the western satan". They have to be stopped and they will stop at nothing and neither should we or they will annihilate us!
there is no room for empathy, because they have NONE. So we should stop at nothing as well, we will have to rank everyone and everything as an expendable asset as that's the way the enemy thinks and acts, and if we don't act the same,
we will LOOSE.
you want to know the difference between the UK army and Al Quida? one fights for the UK, the other fights for Afghanistan. That's the ONLY difference.
A professional knows this and acts upon it, coldly, without emotion, and without morals,because he knows he, like all of us, is just a pawn on the chessboard
he doesn't matter his life is worthless. compared to the MILLIONS of normal, caring, everyday people who will be brutally slain if the enemy is allowed to win. So he does whatever is needed. Including sacrificing his soul.
To ensure his COUNTRY is safe.
To ensure Big Ben keeps booming over the Thames.
To ensure the old men can carry on playing inter-village cricket.
To ensure the tea and crumpets never go cold.
To ensure his mum can take the dog for a walk in safety, and his girlfriend can keep spoiling the little girl with downs syndrome down the road rotten with toys and sweets.
AND to ensure that, No sacrifice is too great to a professional.
Because his Duty, is to Fight, and to Die inside, to ensure that the millions of peace loving, emphatic, humane individuals who throw junk at them, who hate on them for there evil and lack of emotions, people who don't deserve the bravery and courage and sacrifice of this brutal, tough, evil, heroic figures, are kept safe. you may hate them, you may walk around calling for a ban to war and calling the soldiers "baby killers"
but they don't hate you they love you, which is why they give there soul for you.
Nice to see that you believe 99% of all soldiers are unfit for duty, and that you can parrot back the words of men who have real opinions. If you ran your nations' army, there'd be a total of four soldiers all dying in the next ten minutes. Compassion and humanity are obviously overrated to you. These are traits a soldier needs in order to understand why it is they do what they do.
Are you aware that you contradict yourself? You state that true soldiers should not hold onto any ideals, yet they should fight for the culture. Culture. Is. Ideals. They're one in the same. We'd have no culture today if we didn't have something to believe in at some point.
Everyone, no matter what they do, needs something to believe in. That pushes them. It pushes them to work, to get that job done, to keep f*cking going. If you don't have that, the sacrifice you just made was all for nothing.
I've got very bad news. I got no more internet connection in my home for undetermined time, my modem got some strange problems (maybe today it comes back, or unfortunately, not) And, to get it worse, in the 5th and 7th parts of One Last Shot, there are mistakes and need-to-reedit parts.
I'll try to re-upload the 5th part until the 8th part over here at the high school (10MB internet, 10x faster than in my home) and i'll see if i can upload the other parts tomorrow.
I'm sorry. It had to be rescheduled.
I'll setd the date to this Weekend's Saturday. Let's hope it works.
Fine with me. I honestly wish I hadn't gotten so angry reading that post in the first place. Sorry for mucking up your thread, Sonic.
Wait, does your high school not have blocks on websites? I couldn't use YouTube when I was in high school (hell, I couldn't use Google).
*puts big red FAIL stamp back in the top drawer*
Darn, that is bad news. Fingers crossed it's not the modem. Recently, I had to buy a new modem- as an electrical storm toasted the other one like a bunker in Severnaya... Remember this rather unwelcoming rule: the internet will always fail when you need it most!
No pressure- but it would be great timing if you do end up releasing it this Saturday, as I can watch it before my CR/QoS/SF marathon. Skyfall hit Aussie shores last week, and I'm seeing it for the first time this weekend! YES!!! I know, right?! Lucky last! :P
No problem, mate. I just want a friendly place. =)
My high school just blocks Facebook. We can still access Youtube, Google+, Twitter and Hotmail.
:))
It was just a little problem with the modem, but now everything's running fine!
It would be better for you to watch OLS after your marathon (At least after CR and QoS, and Before Skyfall). It'll fit more. :P
As i'm back now, i'll re-upload the videos! 2MB internet, faster and better! :-bd
I'll run to try to make the vids get uploaded until Sat; And then, the Launch trailer.
Just saying, the launch trailer will launch 1 hour before the movie. You can heat yourselves up! :-bd
Blood Stone should be placed in there somewhere, too.
Agreed. After QoS, and before One Last Shot, as it is Blood Stone's straight continuation.