Will the 50 year jubilee help pushing the boxoffice of 'SkyFall' to a gross 900 million worldwide?

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  • Another update of the 'Please compare comparable franchises thoughtfully'-list. Finally, finally, reality kicks in among Bond fans. 'Skyfall' IS today's 'Thunderball', money-wise at least. Besides a huge succesful Thanksgiving weekend for 'Skyfall', also internationally Bond 23 keeps soaring.

    Because of all this, 'Skyfall' moves up to 4th place in my list and is now seriously threatening 'Inception'. And please keep in mind, figures for Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, Japan and China still need to come in. $900 million is a lock now. *UPDATED SUNDAY NOVEMBER 25TH 2012*[/b]:

    01) $1,076,999,996 -- 'Batman 8: The Dark Knight Rises' (2012) IMDB: 8.8
    domestic (US) gross: $446,861,181 - 41.5%
    foreign (rest) gross: $630,800,000 - 58.5%

    02) $1,003,045,358 -- 'Batman 7: The Dark Knight' (2008) IMDB: 9.0
    domestic (US) gross: $534,858,444 - 53.2%
    foreign (rest) gross: $469,700,000 - 46.8%

    03) $825,532,764 -- 'Inception' (2010) IMDB: 8.8
    domestic (US) gross: $292,576,195 - 35.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $532,956,569 - 64.6%

    04) $790,120,000 -- 'JAMES BOND 23: SKYFALL' (2012, AFTER 31 DAYS IN CINEMAS) IMDB: 8.1
    DOMESTIC (US) GROSS: $221,720,000 - 28.1%
    FOREIGN (REST) GROSS: $568,400,000 - 71.9%


    05) $786,636,033 -- 'Indiana Jones And The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull' (2008) IMDB: 6.4
    domestic (US) gross: $317,101,119 - 40.3%
    foreign (rest) gross: $469,534,914 - 59.7%

    06) $694,713,380 -- 'Mission: Impossible 4 - Ghost Protocol' (2011) IMDB: 7.4
    domestic (US) gross: $209,397,903 - 30.1%
    foreign (rest) gross: $485,315,477 - 69.9%

    07) $624,386,746 -- 'Hancock' (2008) IMDB: 6.5
    domestic (US) gross: $227,946,274 - 36.5%
    foreign (rest) gross: $396,440,472 - 63.5%

    08) $599,045,960 -- 'James Bond 21: Casino Royale' (2006) IMDB: 7.9
    domestic (US) gross: $167,445,960 - 28.0%
    foreign (rest) gross: $431,600,000 - 72.0%


    09) $586,090,727 -- 'James Bond 22: Quantum Of Solace' (2008) IMDB: 6.7
    domestic (US) gross: $168,368,427 - 28.7%
    foreign (rest) gross: $417,722,300 - 71.3%


    10) $546,388,105 -- 'Mission: Impossible 2' (2000) IMDB: 5.9
    domestic (US) gross: $215,409,889 - 39.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $330,978,216 - 60.6%


    11) $543,848,418 -- 'Sherlock Holmes 2: A Game Of Shadows' (2011) IMDB: 7.6
    domestic (US) gross: $186,848,418 - 34.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $357,000,000 - 65.6%
    12) $524,028,679 -- 'Sherlock Holmes 1' (2009) IMDB: 7.5
    domestic (US) gross: $209,028,679 - 39.9%
    foreign (rest) gross: $315,000,000 - 60.1%
    13) $478,207,520 -- 'Mr. And Mrs. Smith' (2005) IMDB: 6.4
    domestic (US) gross: $186,336,279 - 39.0%
    foreign (rest) gross: $291,871,241 - 61.0%
    14) $474,171,806 -- 'Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade' (1989) IMDB: 8.3
    domestic (US) gross: $197,171,806 - 41.6%
    foreign (rest) gross: $277,000,000 - 58.4%
    15) $457,696,359 -- 'Mission: Impossible' (1996) IMDB: 7.0
    domestic (US) gross: $180,981,856 - 39.5%
    foreign (rest) gross: $276,714,503 - 60.5%
    16) $442,824,138 -- 'The Bourne Ultimatum' (2007) IMDB: 8.1
    domestic (US) gross: $227,471,070 - 51.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $215,353,068 - 48.6%
    17) $431,971,116 -- 'James Bond 20: Die Another Day' (2002) IMDB: 6.0
    domestic (US) gross: $160,942,139 - 37.3%
    foreign (rest) gross: $271,028,977 - 62.7%

    18) $411,348,924 -- 'Batman 1' (1989) IMDB: 7.6
    19) $397,850,012 -- 'Mission: Impossible 3' (2006) IMDB: 6.8
    20) $383,531,464 -- 'Die Hard 4: Live Free Or Die Hard' (2007) IMDB: 7.4
    21) $378,882,411 -- 'True Lies' (1994) IMDB: 7.2
    22) $372,710,015 -- 'Batman 6: Batman Begins' (2005) IMDB: 8.3
    23) $366,101,666 -- 'Die Hard 3: Die Hard With A Vengeance' (1995) IMDB: 7.3
    24) $361,832,400 -- 'James Bond 19: The World Is Not Enough' (1999) IMDB: 6.3
    25) $352,763,000 -- 'Taken 2' (2012) IMDB: 6.6
    26) $352,194,034 -- 'James Bond 17: GoldenEye' (1995) IMDB: 7.2
    27) $352,114,312 -- 'Catch Me If You Can' (2002) IMDB: 7.9
    28) $341,433,252 -- 'Wanted' (2008) IMDB: 6.7
    29) $333,011,068 -- 'James Bond 18: Tomorrow Never Dies' (1997) IMDB: 6.4
    30) $321,731,527 -- 'Lethal Weapon 3' (1992) IMDB: 6.6
    31) $300,428,192 -- 'The Expandables 2' (2012) IMDB: 7.1
    32) $293,503,354 -- 'Salt' (2010) IMDB: 6.4
    33) $288,500,217 -- 'The Bourne Supremacy' (2004) IMDB: 7.7
    34) $285,444,603 -- 'Lethal Weapon 4' (1998) IMDB: 6.5
    35) $278,346,189 -- 'The Tourist' (2010) IMDB: 5.9
    36) $277,448,382 -- 'xXx 1' (2002) IMDB: 5.7
    37) $274,503,870 -- 'The Bourne Legacy' (2012) IMDB: 6.9
    38) $274,470,394 -- 'The Expendables' (2010) IMDB: 6.5
    39) $264,105,545 -- 'Charlie's Angels 1' (2000) IMDB: 5.5
    40) $261,930,436 -- 'Knight And Day' (2010) IMDB: 6.3
    41) $255,000,211 -- 'Cliffhanger' (1993) IMDB: 6.3
    42) $259,175,788 -- 'Charlie's Angels 2: Full Throttle' (2003) IMDB: 4.7
    43) $240,031,094 -- 'Die Hard 2: Die Harder' (1990) IMDB: 7.1
    44) $227,853,986 -- 'Lethal Weapon 2' (1989) IMDB: 7.1
    45) $226,830,568 -- 'Taken' (2009) IMDB: 7.9
    46) $217,764,291 -- 'Collateral' (2004) IMDB: 7.6
    47) $215,887,717 -- 'Jack Ryan 3: Clear And Present Danger' (1994) IMDB: 6.8
    48) $214,034,224 -- 'The Bourne Identity' (2002) IMDB: 7.9
    49) $207,884,401 -- 'Safe House' (2012) IMDB 6.8
    50) $200,512,643 -- 'Jack Ryan 1: The Hunt For Red October' (1990) IMDB: 7.6
    51) $199,006,387 -- 'Red' (2010) IMDB: 7.0
    52) $193,921,372 -- 'Jack Ryan 4: The Sum Of All Fears' (2002) IMDB: 6.3
    53) $178,051,587 -- 'Jack Ryan 2: Patriot Games' (1992) IMDB: 6.9
    54) $177,238,796 -- 'The A-Team' (2010) IMDB: 6.8
    55) $176,070,171 -- 'The Italian Job' (2003) IMDB: 6.9
    56) $170,268,750 -- 'Starsky And Hutch' (2004) IMDB: 6.0
    57) $159,330,280 -- 'The Jackal' (1997) IMDB: 6.1
    58) $156,167,015 -- 'James Bond 16: Licence To Kill' (1989) IMDB: 6.5
    59) $143,049,560 -- 'Spy Game' (2001) IMDB: 6.9
    60) $140,767,956 -- 'Die Hard 1' (1988) IMDB: 8.3
    61) $134,004,000 -- 'Argo' (2012) IMDB: 8.3
    62) $130,786,397 -- 'Unknown' (2011) IMDB: 6.9
    63) $126,690,726 -- 'Law Abiding Citizen' (2009) IMDB: 7.3
    64) $124,305,181 -- 'The Thomas Crown Affair' (1999) IMDB: 6.7
    65) $120,207,127 -- 'Lethal Weapon 1' (1987) IMDB: 7.6
    66) $118,063,304 -- 'The Saint' (1997) IMDB: 6.0
    67) $115,097,286 -- 'Body Of Lies' (2008) IMDB: 7.1
    68) $099,965,792 -- 'Hitman' (2007) IMDB: 6.2
    69) $096,105,964 -- 'The Manchurian Candidate' (2004) IMDB: 6.6
    70) $094,882,549 -- 'Green Zone' (2010) IMDB: 6.9
    71) $085,416,905 -- 'Max Payne' (2008) IMDB: 5.7
    72) $080,630,608 -- 'Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy' (2011) IMDB: 7.1
    73) $071,022,693 -- 'xXx 2: State Of The Union' (2005) IMDB: 4.1
    74) $070,692,101 -- 'Ronin' (1998) IMDB: 7.2
    75) $067,876,281 -- 'The American' (2010) IMDB: 6.4
    76) $060,965,854 -- 'Colombiana' (2011) IMDB: 6.2
    77) $060,222,298 -- 'The Ghost Writer' (2010) IMDB: 7.3
    78) $060,161,391 -- 'The International' (2009) IMDB: 6.5
    79) $052,826,594 -- 'From Paris With Love' (2010) IMDB: 6.4
    80) $050,732,945 -- 'I Spy' (2002) IMDB: 5.3
    81) $033,372,606 -- 'Haywire' (2012) IMDB: 5.9
    82) $028,008,462 -- 'The Tailor Of Panama' (2001) IMDB: 6.1
    83) $027,664,173 -- 'Traitor' (2008) IMDB: 7.0
    84) $027,038,732 -- 'Rendition' (2007) IMDB: 6.8
    85) $024,188,922 -- 'Fair Game' (2010) IMDB: 6.8
    86) $016,933,380 -- 'The Heir Apparent: Largo Winch' (2011) IMDB: 6.4
    87) $013,439,000 -- 'Red Dawn' (2012) IMDB: 5.7
    88) $008,112,712 -- 'Spartan' (2004) IMDB: 6.7
    89) $000,933,549 -- 'Michel Vaillant' (2003) IMDB: 5.0
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    Well looking at the latest results? It is looking more likely now?!
  • RogueAgent wrote:
    Well looking at the latest results? It is looking more likely now?!

    Uhm, you betcha :-P. It's funny to see the big money gap between the flopped 'Licence To Kill' and the soaring 'Skyfall'. It tells something about the franchise. It has it deeps, but at this moment very much its highest high since 1965.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 12,837
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Well looking at the latest results? It is looking more likely now?!

    Uhm, you betcha :-P. It's funny to see the big money gap between the flopped 'Licence To Kill' and the soaring 'Skyfall'. It tells something about the franchise. It has it deeps, but at this moment very much its highest high since 1965.

    SF might have made more money but Licence To Kill was a better film :P

    LTK wasn't a flop. It didn't do that well in America but it was up against Batman, Indiana Jones and more (if SF was released at the same time as TDKR then it wouldn't have made all this money). Also it was a 15 and had crap advertising, and it still wasn't a flop.

    SF didn't open against much competition, it had great advertising (Olympics anyone?) sure LTK would be no where near as successful anyway but imo it's not fair to call it a flop. It was made on a budget of about 32 million and it more than made it's money back.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Well looking at the latest results? It is looking more likely now?!

    Uhm, you betcha :-P. It's funny to see the big money gap between the flopped 'Licence To Kill' and the soaring 'Skyfall'. It tells something about the franchise. It has it deeps, but at this moment very much its highest high since 1965.

    SF might have made more money but Licence To Kill was a better film :P

    LTK wasn't a flop. It didn't do that well in America but it was up against Batman, Indiana Jones and more (if SF was released at the same time as TDKR then it wouldn't have made all this money). Also it was a 15 and had crap advertising, and it still wasn't a flop.

    SF didn't open against much competition, it had great advertising (Olympics anyone?) sure LTK would be no where near as successful anyway but imo it's not fair to call it a flop.

    Agreed. A financial flop/success is no barometer of success. DAD anyone?
  • RogueAgent wrote:
    Well looking at the latest results? It is looking more likely now?!

    Uhm, you betcha :-P. It's funny to see the big money gap between the flopped 'Licence To Kill' and the soaring 'Skyfall'. It tells something about the franchise. It has it deeps, but at this moment very much its highest high since 1965.

    SF might have made more money but Licence To Kill was a better film :P

    LTK wasn't a flop. It didn't do that well in America but it was up against Batman, Indiana Jones and more (if SF was released at the same time as TDKR then it wouldn't have made all this money). Also it was a 15 and had crap advertising, and it still wasn't a flop.

    SF didn't open against much competition, it had great advertising (Olympics anyone?) sure LTK would be no where near as successful anyway but imo it's not fair to call it a flop. It was made on a budget of about 32 million and it more than made it's money back.

    From a commercial point of view 'Licence To Kill' WAS a flop. No doubt about that. And I shall give some proof. From 1987 to 1990 other franchises were starting up that were, just as you said, seriously competing with 'Licence To Kill'.

    And LTK lost that battle, just as you indicate, because of a lack of advertisements and promo. But moreover, back in 1989 the audience had some kind of rock solid idea about what Bond should be. And that wasn't certainly a rip-off of John McClane (Die Hard) or Martin Riggs (Lethal Weapon), Indy Jones or Batman. Back in 1989 audience simply thought a 'blunt instrument' looked better in 'Die Hard' and 'Lethal Weapon' than in 'James Bond'.

    Now the facts:

    $474,171,806 --> 'Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade' (1989)
    $411,348,924 --> 'Batman 1' (1989)
    $328,203,506 --> 'Crocodile Dundee' (1986)
    $240,031,094 --> 'Die Hard 2: Die Harder' (1990)
    $239,606,210 --> 'Crocodile Dundee II' (1988)
    $227,853,986 --> 'Lethal Weapon 2' (1989)
    $200,512,643 --> 'Jack Ryan 1: The Hunt For Red October' (1990)
    $156,167,015 --> 'James Bond 16: Licence To Kill' (1989)
    $140,767,956 --> 'Die Hard 1' (1988): No flop, it was the first entry
    $120,207,127 --> 'Lethal Weapon 1' (1987): No flop, it was the first entry

    James Bond in those days was not only facing stiff competition from other franchises like Jack Ryan, Crocodile Dundee, Indy Jones, Batman, Lethal Weapon and Die Hard. No, worse, the Bond franchise was eaten alive by these franchises, especially in the United States.

    In the yearly US box office of 1989, 'Licence To Kill' shows the worst holdover figures compared to other Bond films. Moreover, on the 1989 US box office listing, we see 'Licence To Kill' back on a very disappointing 36th place. An absolute low for a Bond film.

    And with inflation adjustment over 2012 box office ticket prices in place, 'Licence To Kill' is the worst scoring Bond film ever. Even 'Never Say Never Again' did way way better back in 1983. And with inflation correction in place 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service' is suddenly a success compared to 'Licence To Kill'.

    IF there is one Bond film that can be labelled a 'FLOP', then it certainly is 'Licence To Kill'.

    This doesn't say anything about the quality of the movie. Let me be clear about that. But one thing was for sure: In the period 1987 - 1990 The world and especially the USA were not ready for 'someone who really wanted to be someone else than the suave British spy'.

    Only since 9/11 the grittier realism from action franchises has been gaining ground. Even audiences, who want to be entertained, don't buy it anymore when the only thing an action heroe keeps him alive is his humour, sex and surfing on a big icecube. Unless it's a Marvel comic.
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    LTK made 5 times it's budget of $32 mil really? So to match it Skyfall has to at least a billion WW?
  • RC7RC7
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    htall90 wrote:
    LTK made 5 times it's budget of $32 mil really? So to match it Skyfall has to at least a billion WW?

    A very good point mate. I'm sure you'll get some flack for it though.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 2,015
    From a commercial point of view 'Licence To Kill' WAS a flop. No doubt about that.

    Well, there's a quite critical figure that you didn't give ; ie: how high it ranked in the worldwide gross of that year.

    It was #11. Many, many studios would love to have such flops :)

    And it was #6 if you consider everywhere in the world but the USA. It was "disappointing" in the USA, ok, but "only" there... And remember this was a time where TLD was #4 worldwide, while being "only" #20 in the USA.

    Aslo, FYI LTK was #9 in France, while TLD was #14, AVTAK #15 etc...

    So, call it the least successful at the US and worldwide box office, no problem but.. a flop ? It didn't lose any money, to start with.



  • From a commercial point of view 'Licence To Kill' WAS a flop. No doubt about that.

    Well, there's a quite critical figure that you didn't give ; ie: how high it ranked in the worldwide gross of that year.

    It was #11. Many, many studios would love to have such flops :)

    And it was #6 if you consider everywhere in the world but the USA. It was "disappointing" in the USA, ok, but "only" there... And remember this was a time where TLD was #4 worldwide, while being "only" #20 in the USA.

    Aslo, FYI LTK was #9 in France, while TLD was #14, AVTAK #15 etc...

    So, call it the least successful at the US and worldwide box office, no problem but.. a flop ? It didn't lose any money, to start with.



    Ranking aside, there was not huge, big money coming in per Bond film. Cubby Broccoli more or less had to stay on a tight budget constantly. And for United Artists the Bond franchise more or less stopped being a milking cow. Those days are 2012 AD definately over.
  • @Gustav_Graves Thanks for that because that means LTK made over 5 times it's budget. LTK was the least successful Bond film in America but it was no flop. And it's not fair to call it a flop but then to justify it beating Die Hard and Lethal Weapon you just say "nope, first one, doesn't count"
  • RC7RC7
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    Ranking aside

    Coming from MI6's resident ranker, this made me laugh.

  • RC7 wrote:
    Ranking aside

    Coming from MI6's resident ranker, this made me laugh.

    Ranking included then :D.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 2,015
    And for United Artists the Bond franchise more or less stopped being a milking cow.

    Threads are being duplicated somehow, but believe me, during the hiatus, the Bond licence was the #1 reason the French bank fought for MGM/UA (see the longer story in the box office thread). I don't know how old you were at that time, but just don't think "6 year-old hiatus = the previous movie was a problem... " (both DAD and QOS were very, very successful at the box office, and yet 4 years hiatus after each one !)


  • And for United Artists the Bond franchise more or less stopped being a milking cow.

    Threads are being duplicated somehow, but believe me, during the hiatus, the Bond licence was the #1 reason the French bank fought for MGM/UA (see the longer story in the box office thread). I don't know how old you were at that time, but just don't think "6 year-old hiatus = the previous movie was a problem... " (both DAD and QOS were very, very successful at the box office, and yet 4 years hiatus after each one !)


    I started up this topic when the other topic about the box office figures of 'Skyfall', which was also heavily updated after I came with this topic, was quite a lot of pages removed from the frontpage.

    Anyway, this topic is more about combining realistic commercial forecasting with the still ongoing success of 'Skyfall'. Not just a topic about statistics.
  • Will the 50 year jubilee help pushing the boxoffice of 'SkyFall' to a gross 900 million worldwide? Well, it just did.

    Here's another update of the 'Spy/Action Movies-list'. As of December 9th 2012, 'Skyfall' has grossed worldwide more than $900 MILLION. 'Skyfall' keeps doing very well in the USA and is certain of doing at least $100 million better than the previous Bond flick 'Quantum Of Solace'.

    More importantly, 'Skyfall' broke the foreign record in the spy/action genre. As of today it has now officially passed 'The Dark Knight Rises', which grossed $633 million in the foreign market. 'Skyfall' now stands at almost $656,600,000 million.

    Note for the reader: Take in mind that for, more or less, accurate comparisons, most of the below action/spy movies are produced in 1987 or later. Actually, most of them were produced after the 1990's.

    Furthermore, I have updated the list in such a way now, so that you can also use it as a 'watchlist'. Movies with a '▪' are part of a spy/actionhero movie franchise. Movies with a '▫' are rebooted movies or remakes. Movies with a '∞' are based on previous tv-series.

    *UPDATED SUNDAY DECEMBER 9TH 2012*:

    001) $1,081,008,499 -- 'Batman 8: The Dark Knight Rises' (2012) IMDB: 8.8
    domestic (US) gross: $448,106,311 - 41.5%
    foreign (rest) gross: $632,902,188 - 58.5%


    002) $1,003,045,358 -- 'Batman 7: The Dark Knight' (2008) IMDB: 9.0 ▪
    domestic (US) gross: $534,858,444 - 53.2%
    foreign (rest) gross: $469,700,000 - 46.8%

    003) $918,220,000 -- 'JAMES BOND 23: SKYFALL' (2012, AFTER 45 DAYS IN CINEMAS) IMDB: 8.1 ▪
    DOMESTIC (US) GROSS: $261,620,000 - 28.5%
    FOREIGN (REST) GROSS: $656,600,000 - 71.5%


    004) $825,532,764 -- 'Inception' (2010) IMDB: 8.8
    domestic (US) gross: $292,576,195 - 35.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $532,956,569 - 64.6%

    005) $786,636,033 -- 'Indiana Jones And The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull' (2008) IMDB: 6.4 ▪
    domestic (US) gross: $317,101,119 - 40.3%
    foreign (rest) gross: $469,534,914 - 59.7%

    006) $694,713,380 -- 'Mission: Impossible 4 - Ghost Protocol' (2011) IMDB: 7.4 ▪ ∞
    domestic (US) gross: $209,397,903 - 30.1%
    foreign (rest) gross: $485,315,477 - 69.9%

    007) $624,386,746 -- 'Hancock' (2008) IMDB: 6.5
    domestic (US) gross: $227,946,274 - 36.5%
    foreign (rest) gross: $396,440,472 - 63.5%

    008) $599,045,960 -- 'James Bond 21: Casino Royale' (2006) IMDB: 7.9 ▪ ▫ ∞
    domestic (US) gross: $167,445,960 - 28.0%
    foreign (rest) gross: $431,600,000 - 72.0%


    009) $586,090,727 -- 'James Bond 22: Quantum Of Solace' (2008) IMDB: 6.7 ▪
    domestic (US) gross: $168,368,427 - 28.7%
    foreign (rest) gross: $417,722,300 - 71.3%


    010) $546,388,105 -- 'Mission: Impossible 2' (2000) IMDB: 5.9 ▪ ∞
    domestic (US) gross: $215,409,889 - 39.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $330,978,216 - 60.6%


    011) $543,848,418 -- 'Sherlock Holmes 2: A Game Of Shadows' (2011) IMDB: 7.6 ▪ ∞
    domestic (US) gross: $186,848,418 - 34.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $357,000,000 - 65.6%
    012) $524,028,679 -- 'Sherlock Holmes 1' (2009) IMDB: 7.5 ▪ ∞
    domestic (US) gross: $209,028,679 - 39.9%
    foreign (rest) gross: $315,000,000 - 60.1%
    013) $478,207,520 -- 'Mr. And Mrs. Smith' (2005) IMDB: 6.4 ▪
    domestic (US) gross: $186,336,279 - 39.0%
    foreign (rest) gross: $291,871,241 - 61.0%
    014) $474,171,806 -- 'Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade' (1989) IMDB: 8.3 ▪
    domestic (US) gross: $197,171,806 - 41.6%
    foreign (rest) gross: $277,000,000 - 58.4%
    015) $457,696,359 -- 'Mission: Impossible' (1996) IMDB: 7.0 ▪ ∞
    domestic (US) gross: $180,981,856 - 39.5%
    foreign (rest) gross: $276,714,503 - 60.5%
    016) $450,717,150 -- 'Ocean's Eleven' (2001) IMDB: 7.7 ▪ ▫
    domestic (US) gross: $183,417,150 - 40.7%
    foreign (rest) gross: $267,300,000 - 59.3%
    017) $442,824,138 -- 'The Bourne Ultimatum' (2007) IMDB: 8.1 ▪
    domestic (US) gross: $227,471,070 - 51.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $215,353,068 - 48.6%
    018) $431,971,116 -- 'James Bond 20: Die Another Day' (2002) IMDB: 6.0 ▪
    domestic (US) gross: $160,942,139 - 37.3%
    foreign (rest) gross: $271,028,977 - 62.7%

    019) $411,348,924 -- 'Batman 1' (1989) IMDB: 7.6 ▪ ▫ ∞
    domestic (US) gross: $251,188,924 - 61.1%
    foreign (rest) gross: $160,160,000 - 38.9%
    020) $397,850,012 -- 'Mission: Impossible 3' (2006) IMDB: 6.8 ▪ ∞
    domestic (US) gross: $134,029,801 - 33.7%
    foreign (rest) gross: $263,820,211 - 66.3%
    021) $383,531,464 -- 'Die Hard 4: Live Free Or Die Hard' (2007) IMDB: 7.4 ▪
    022) $378,882,411 -- 'True Lies' (1994) IMDB: 7.2
    023) $372,710,015 -- 'Batman 6: Batman Begins' (2005) IMDB: 8.3 ▪ ▫
    024) $366,101,666 -- 'Die Hard 3: Die Hard With A Vengeance' (1995) IMDB: 7.3 ▪
    025) $362,744,280 -- 'Ocean's Twelve' (2004) IMDB: 6.2 ▪
    026) $361,832,400 -- 'James Bond 19: The World Is Not Enough' (1999) IMDB: 6.3
    027) $361,472,627 -- 'Taken 2' (2012) IMDB: 6.6
    028) $352,194,034 -- 'James Bond 17: GoldenEye' (1995) IMDB: 7.2
    029) $352,114,312 -- 'Catch Me If You Can' (2002) IMDB: 7.9
    030) $341,433,252 -- 'Wanted' (2008) IMDB: 6.7 ▪
    031) $333,011,068 -- 'James Bond 18: Tomorrow Never Dies' (1997) IMDB: 6.4
    032) $321,731,527 -- 'Lethal Weapon 3' (1992) IMDB: 6.6 ▪
    033) $311,312,624 -- 'Ocean's Thirteen' (2007) IMDB: 6.9 ▪
    034) $300,428,192 -- 'The Expandables 2' (2012) IMDB: 7.1 ▪
    035) $293,503,354 -- 'Salt' (2010) IMDB: 6.4
    036) $288,500,217 -- 'The Bourne Supremacy' (2004) IMDB: 7.7 ▪
    037) $285,444,603 -- 'Lethal Weapon 4' (1998) IMDB: 6.5 ▪
    038) $278,346,189 -- 'The Tourist' (2010) IMDB: 5.9
    039) $277,448,382 -- 'xXx 1' (2002) IMDB: 5.7 ▪
    040) $276,144,750 -- 'The Bourne Legacy' (2012) IMDB: 6.9
    041) $274,470,394 -- 'The Expendables' (2010) IMDB: 6.5 ▪
    042) $264,105,545 -- 'Charlie's Angels 1' (2000) IMDB: 5.5 ▪ ∞
    043) $261,930,436 -- 'Knight And Day' (2010) IMDB: 6.3
    044) $255,000,211 -- 'Cliffhanger' (1993) IMDB: 6.3
    045) $259,175,788 -- 'Charlie's Angels 2: Full Throttle' (2003) IMDB: 4.7 ▪ ∞
    046) $240,031,094 -- 'Die Hard 2: Die Harder' (1990) IMDB: 7.1 ▪
    047) $230,685,453 -- 'Get Smart' (2007) IMDB: 6.6 ∞
    048) $227,853,986 -- 'Lethal Weapon 2' (1989) IMDB: 7.1 ▪
    049) $226,830,568 -- 'Taken' (2009) IMDB: 7.9 ▪
    050) $217,764,291 -- 'Collateral' (2004) IMDB: 7.6
    051) $215,887,717 -- 'Jack Ryan 3: Clear And Present Danger' (1994) IMDB: 6.8 ▪
    052) $214,034,224 -- 'The Bourne Identity' (2002) IMDB: 7.9 ▪ ▫
    053) $212,404,396 -- 'Entrapment' (1999) IMDB: 6.1
    054) $207,884,401 -- 'Safe House' (2012) IMDB 6.8
    055) $200,512,643 -- 'Jack Ryan 1: The Hunt For Red October' (1990) IMDB: 7.6 ▪
    056) $199,006,387 -- 'Red' (2010) IMDB: 7.0
    057) $193,921,372 -- 'Jack Ryan 4: The Sum Of All Fears' (2002) IMDB: 6.3 ▪
    058) $191,185,897 -- 'James Bond 15: The Living Daylights' (1987) IMDB: 6.7
    059) $178,051,587 -- 'Jack Ryan 2: Patriot Games' (1992) IMDB: 6.9 ▪
    060) $177,238,796 -- 'The A-Team' (2010) IMDB: 6.8 ▪ ∞
    061) $176,070,171 -- 'The Italian Job' (2003) IMDB: 6.9 ▪ ▫
    062) $170,268,750 -- 'Starsky And Hutch' (2004) IMDB: 6.0 ∞
    063) $159,330,280 -- 'The Jackal' (1997) IMDB: 6.1 ▫
    064) $159,148,000 -- 'Argo' (2012) IMDB: 8.3
    065) $156,491,279 -- 'This Means War' (2012) IMDB: 6.3
    066) $156,167,015 -- 'James Bond 16: Licence To Kill' (1989) IMDB: 6.5
    067) $143,049,560 -- 'Spy Game' (2001) IMDB: 6.9
    068) $140,767,956 -- 'Die Hard 1' (1988) IMDB: 8.3 ▪
    069) $130,786,397 -- 'Unknown' (2011) IMDB: 6.9
    070) $126,690,726 -- 'Law Abiding Citizen' (2009) IMDB: 7.3
    071) $124,305,181 -- 'The Thomas Crown Affair' (1999) IMDB: 6.7 ▫
    072) $120,207,127 -- 'Lethal Weapon 1' (1987) IMDB: 7.6 ▪
    073) $118,063,304 -- 'The Saint' (1997) IMDB: 6.0 ∞
    074) $115,097,286 -- 'Body Of Lies' (2008) IMDB: 7.1
    075) $104,391,623 -- 'The Tuxedo' (2002) IMDB: 5.0
    076) $101,191,884 -- 'The Recruit' (2003) IMDB: 6.5
    077) $099,965,792 -- 'Hitman' (2007) IMDB: 6.2
    078) $099,480,480 -- 'The Good Sheperd' (2007) IMDB: 6.8
    079) $098,159,963 -- 'Killers' (2010) IMDB: 5.2
    080) $096,105,964 -- 'The Manchurian Candidate' (2004) IMDB: 6.6 ▫
    081) $094,882,549 -- 'Green Zone' (2010) IMDB: 6.9
    082) $089,456,761 -- 'The Long Kiss Goodnight' (1996) IMDB: 6.7
    083) $085,416,905 -- 'Max Payne' (2008) IMDB: 5.7
    084) $082,087,155 -- 'Abduction' (2011) IMDB: 4.7
    085) $080,630,608 -- 'Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy' (2011) IMDB: 7.1 ∞
    086) $071,022,693 -- 'xXx 2: State Of The Union' (2005) IMDB: 4.1 ▪
    087) $070,692,101 -- 'Ronin' (1998) IMDB: 7.2
    088) $067,876,281 -- 'The American' (2010) IMDB: 6.4
    089) $065,977,295 -- 'Bad Company' (2002) IMDB: 5.4
    090) $060,965,854 -- 'Colombiana' (2011) IMDB: 6.2
    091) $060,222,298 -- 'The Ghost Writer' (2010) IMDB: 7.3
    092) $060,161,391 -- 'The International' (2009) IMDB: 6.5
    093) $056,308,881 -- 'Lucky Number Slevin' (2007) IMDB: 7.8
    094) $052,826,594 -- 'From Paris With Love' (2010) IMDB: 6.4
    095) $051,070,807 -- 'The Mechanic' (2011) IMDB: 6.5
    096) $050,732,945 -- 'I Spy' (2002) IMDB: 5.3 ∞
    097) $041,771,168 -- 'The Informant!' (2009) IMDB: 6.5
    098) $037,265,000 -- 'Red Dawn' (2012) IMDB: 5.7
    099) $033,372,606 -- 'Haywire' (2012) IMDB: 5.9
    100) $028,008,462 -- 'The Tailor Of Panama' (2001) IMDB: 6.1
    101) $027,664,173 -- 'Traitor' (2008) IMDB: 7.0
    102) $027,038,732 -- 'Rendition' (2007) IMDB: 6.8
    103) $024,188,922 -- 'Fair Game' (2010) IMDB: 6.8
    104) $019,924,033 -- 'Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever' (2002) IMDB: 3.5
    105) $016,933,380 -- 'The Heir Apparent: Largo Winch' (2011) IMDB: 6.4
    106) $015,705,007 -- 'Enigma' (2001) IMDB: 6.4
    107) $008,112,712 -- 'Spartan' (2004) IMDB: 6.7
    108) $000,933,549 -- 'Michel Vaillant' (2003) IMDB: 5.0
  • Posts: 6,601
    RC7 wrote:
    I agree @thelivingroyale I'm putting it out there now, there is absolutely no way Skyfall will gross £900m anyone thinking that is living in cloud cuckoo land.

  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Will the 50 year jubilee help pushing the boxoffice of 'SkyFall' to a gross 900 million worldwide? Well, it just did.

    Err no. All you've done there is list SFs box office take. You dont offer any evidence that its down to the 50th. Could be just that its a good film, good reviews or the Olympics.
  • Posts: 6,601
    RC7 wrote:
    BondBug wrote:
    All I am arguing is that it is "quite possible." I am being open minded and laying out some reasons why I wouldn't rule it out. Who would have predicted Mission Impossible 4 would go to $700m worldwide from MI3's $400m? I have been following box office forums for fifteen years, and one thing I have learned is that the people who insist they are right can end up looking like fools, because this isn't an exact science and there are always movies that outperform or underperform from expectations.

    It's not 'quite possible' at all. There's being open minded and there's being ridiculous. I'm quite happy to look a fool, however, I bet you here and now £20 that it won't make £900m. I'll transfer you the money the day it hits it. Deal?


  • Will the 50 year jubilee help pushing the boxoffice of 'SkyFall' to a gross 900 million worldwide? Well, it just did.

    Err no. All you've done there is list SFs box office take. You dont offer any evidence that its down to the 50th. Could be just that its a good film, good reviews or the Olympics.

    You can always answer a question that black and white ;-). From that perspective I indeed did not offer true evidence :-).
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    Germanlady wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    BondBug wrote:
    All I am arguing is that it is "quite possible." I am being open minded and laying out some reasons why I wouldn't rule it out. Who would have predicted Mission Impossible 4 would go to $700m worldwide from MI3's $400m? I have been following box office forums for fifteen years, and one thing I have learned is that the people who insist they are right can end up looking like fools, because this isn't an exact science and there are always movies that outperform or underperform from expectations.

    It's not 'quite possible' at all. There's being open minded and there's being ridiculous. I'm quite happy to look a fool, however, I bet you here and now £20 that it won't make £900m. I'll transfer you the money the day it hits it. Deal?

    £900 million is not $900 million. ;)
  • Posts: 6,601
    It doesn't really matter, right? ;) IMO, showing great legs is proof, that there is more then media fanare or else to it. Not all people are brainwashed..
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited December 2012 Posts: 4,043
    I remember quite a few here laughing at those who proposed that Skyfall could be a billion dollar grossing film but it now seems it could well be.

    I've also seen some say films hit a billion regularly well with the exception of TDK & TDKR no other blockbuster has hit the billion mark that is not 3D or 3D enhanced in a long time so I say to those who think SF making what could be a billion that it's no big deal any more, well it certainly bloody is as Skyfall never had that cosmetic box office incentive attached to it. This film made it in 2D so no Bond don't need that god awful addition anywhere near it.

    I think it's success in the UK would have been enhanced by the Jubilee but it's reception and word of mouth would have been a bigger factor and also the addition of the reception in Europe would have impacted on it doing so well in the U.S, people wanting to see what exactly those over the pond were getting in such a fuss over.
  • Germanlady wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    I agree @thelivingroyale I'm putting it out there now, there is absolutely no way Skyfall will gross £900m anyone thinking that is living in cloud cuckoo land.

    Yep, I was wrong. You didn't see it coming either though.
    Germanlady wrote:
    750 Mill

    :P
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    Oh no, I didn't, but I wasn't as "polite" about it as our friend here. ;) :-*
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    Once again Craig has the last laugh. :D
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,183
    maxcraig wrote:
    Once again Craig has the last laugh. :D

    Sure enough the man is victorious once more, giving all those poor nay-sayers of old the finger. (And we know what he can do with that, don't we. ;-))
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    Some said it'd do only $572 million, following a downwards trend. Oh well, it looks like they'll have to put up with another Bond film starring Craig. Things could be worse!
  • RC7RC7
    edited December 2012 Posts: 10,512
    Samuel001 wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    BondBug wrote:
    All I am arguing is that it is "quite possible." I am being open minded and laying out some reasons why I wouldn't rule it out. Who would have predicted Mission Impossible 4 would go to $700m worldwide from MI3's $400m? I have been following box office forums for fifteen years, and one thing I have learned is that the people who insist they are right can end up looking like fools, because this isn't an exact science and there are always movies that outperform or underperform from expectations.

    It's not 'quite possible' at all. There's being open minded and there's being ridiculous. I'm quite happy to look a fool, however, I bet you here and now £20 that it won't make £900m. I'll transfer you the money the day it hits it. Deal?

    £900 million is not $900 million. ;)

    I bet @BondBug wishes he'd taken the bet! I'd have paid up. Thanks @Germanlady for bringing this up. I had already held my hands up with Samuel a couple of weeks back. I still stand by my assumption, I think predicting it could have made 900m USD before it was released was insane. I couldn't see how you could jump to this conclusion without having seen the film. Nothing pointed in that direction for me. I thought 700-750 tops. I didn't think it was possible at all. Not for one minute. How could you? But, it has been and how can I be anything other than elated? An elated fool. Anything that ups Bond's status to the level it is at currently is good by me. I'm flabbergasted at how well it's performed.

    My next mission is to dig up all @Germanlady's posts to show how little she actually contributes. Our very own head of the Discussion Stasi.
    ;)
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    I wouldn't say you're a fool @RC7 regarding underestimating SF's box office take. Going by extrapolation alone, I think it was actually a realistic assessment to predict that SF wasn't going to make anywhere near $900million. There just wasn't any evidence to support such a figure could be reached. At best $700million looked more likely but all of this goes to show that anything can happen and as Bond fans, this really is a proud moment overall. We have a great cast, great movie, critical praise and BO takings that are just shocking. Pleasantly shocking.
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