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Not better to discuss it in the above topic?
I remember for Avengers and especially TDKR I'd see upto 3 tv advertising spots promoting the movie alone in the space of a minute, during a commercial break. If i'm lucky I'll see a tv spot for Skyfall maybe twice in a week.
Like I said AF will make money but it won't surprise me if it doesn't make over $700million which by all accounts it should make.
anyone?
ugh - dont even get me started..... it's like picking between which blunt object would you rather get killed by - a wooden mallet or a baseball bat.... neither one is going to be quick and painless...
i've given up on US politics - honestly... it's too corrupt, and no one is out for the betterment of the people - only their own political party and their special interest groups... the times we do get someone who wants to actually get something done, they get assassinated - go figure.... all i do is live my life, and vote for the A-hole that i feel wont ruin it quicker lol..
point being - that while this institution caves in on itself, i can sit back and watch it burn, and not give a damn..... because i got 007 to keep me occupied lol.
Remember this is tickets sold and not money made....
DN 4,772,574
FRWL 5,623,391
GF 6,675,099 - the most tickets sold!
TB 5,734,842
YOLT 4,489,249
OHMSS 1,958,172 - a huge drop from the Connery films!
DAF 2,493,739 - Connery's least succesful
LALD 3,053,913
TMWTGG 2,873,898
TSWLM 3,500,993 - Roger Moore's most succesful in FRANCE
MR 3,171,274
FYEO 3,181,840
OP 2,944,481
AVTAK 2,423,306 - Roger's least succesful - A huge decline since TSWLM
TLD 1,955,471 - The lowest number of tickets sold!...Poor Timothy!
LTK 2,093,006
GE 3,489,833 - A huge leap after 6 years off the screen...
TND n/a
TWINE 3,406,691
DAD 3,996,123 - Shocking! Positively shocking! The best result since YOLT!
CR 3,149,946
QOS 3,709,535
SF ? - it surely must sell more tickets than DAD!!!!
1983's battle of the BONDS - Moore wins this one with OP (2,944,481)
NSNA - 2,582,054
RECAP - most succesful - GF
least succesfull -TLD
What?
I think you'll find EON productions Thunderball made the money it did because of the formula Cubby and Harry had put in place in the previous 3 films and that had absolutely nothing to do with Kevin McClory.
Kevin McClory's Thunderball - or NSNA as it became - performed fairly averagely at the box office.
You're a disgrace Sir - with the 50th anniversary of EONs James Bond series in full swing you will find bigging up Kevin 'drove Fleming to an early grave' McClory a pretty lonely place to be round these parts I fancy.
Not heard of those films? Is it Walt Disney?
I think you summed it up pretty well. I can see it making over 700 million, but you're right, the marketing hasn't been amazing. It will be a hit though (it already is critics wise), that's for sure.
A £20+ million UK opening seems to be on the cards this weekend. That's high.
That thread seemed to me like it was for member's box office predictions and discussion of the idea that Skyfall can be big enough to earn $900 million. Hint: It won't.
This thread is for the posting of official box office figures and statistics and tracking the film when it's released.
Okay, perfect Samuel001 ;-).
What makes you say 'Skyfall' will not reach 900 million worldwide?
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/jamesbond/9606797/Skyfall-set- to-be-most-successful-James-Bond-film.html[/url]
I think it could do $700, I don't remember this much hype among the public for a Bond film... well, ever.
Then again, I'm only 17.
Mind if we compare some similar franchises and its box office successes. Because I also love the James Bond franchise from the perspective of my own job (marketing)?
01) $1,076,999,996 -- 'The Dark Knight Rises' (2012)
domestic (US) gross: $446,861,181 - 41.5%
foreign (rest) gross: $630,800,000 - 58.5%
02) $1,003,045,358 -- 'The Dark Knight' (2008)
domestic (US) gross: $534,858,444 - 53.2%
foreign (rest) gross: $469,700,000 - 46.8%
03) $825,532,764 -- 'Inception' (2010)
domestic (US) gross: $292,576,195 - 35.4%
foreign (rest) gross: $532,956,569 - 64.6%
04) $786,636,033 -- 'Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull' (2008)
domestic (US) gross: $317,101,119 - 40.3%
foreign (rest) gross: $469,534,914 - 59.7%
05) $694,713,380 -- 'Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol' (2011)
domestic (US) gross: $209,397,903 - 30.1%
foreign (rest) gross: $485,315,477 - 69.9%
06) $594,239,066 -- 'Casino Royale' (2006)
domestic (US) gross: $167,445,960 - 28.1%
foreign (rest) gross: $426,793,106 - 71.8%
07) $586,090,727 -- 'Quantum Of Solace' (2008)
domestic (US) gross: $168,368,427 - 28.7%
foreign (rest) gross: $417,722,300 - 71.3%
08) $546,388,105 -- 'Mission: Impossible II' (2000)
domestic (US) gross: $215,409,889 - 39.4%
foreign (rest) gross: $330,978,216 - 60.6%
09) $543,848,418 -- 'Sherlock Holmes II: A Game Of Shadows' (2011)
domestic (US) gross: $186,848,418 - 34.4%
foreign (rest) gross: $357,000,000 - 65.6%
10) $524,028,679 -- 'Sherlock Holmes I' (2009)
domestic (US) gross: $209,028,679 - 39.9%
foreign (rest) gross: $315,000,000 - 60.1%
11) $478,207,520 -- 'Mr. And Mrs. Smith' (2005)
domestic (US) gross: $186,336,279 - 39.0%
foreign (rest) gross: $291,871,241 - 61.0%
12) $442,824,138 -- 'The Bourne Ultimatum' (2007)
domestic (US) gross: $227,471,070 - 51.4%
foreign (rest) gross: $215,353,068 - 48.6%
13) $431,971,116 -- 'Die Another Day' (2002)
domestic (US) gross: $160,942,139 - 37.3%
foreign (rest) gross: $271,028,977 - 62.7%
14) $397,850,012 -- 'Mission: Impossible III' (2006)
15) $383,531,464 -- 'Live Free Or Die Hard' (2007)
16) $372,710,015 -- 'Batman Begins' (2005)
17) $293,503,354 -- 'Salt' (2010)
18) $288,500,217 -- 'The Bourne Supremacy' (2004)
19) $285,444,603 -- 'Lethal Weapon 4' (1998)
20) $277,448,382 -- 'xXx' (2002)
21) $236,782,740 -- 'The Bourne Legacy' (2012)
22) $226,830,568 -- 'Taken' (2009)
23) $218,181,979 -- 'Taken 2' (2012)
24) $214,034,224 -- 'The Bourne Identity' (2002)
25) $199,006,387 -- 'Red' (2010)
26) $177,238,796 -- 'The A-Team' (2010)
27) $118,063,304 -- 'The Saint' (1997)
28) $99,965,792 -- 'Hitman' (2007)
29) $80,630,608 -- 'Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy' (2011)
30) $71,022,693 -- 'xXx: State Of The Union' (2005)
31) $70,692,101 -- 'Ronin' (1998)
32) $60,965,854 -- 'Colombiana' (2011)
33) $60,161,391 -- 'The International' (2009)
34) $52,826,594 -- 'From Paris With Love' (2010)
35) $50,732,945 -- 'I Spy' (2002)
36) $16,933,380 -- 'The Heir Apparent: Largo Winch' (2011)
I think that everyone agrees the James Bond franchise has a weakness to overcome in the USA. The revived Batman franchise, other Nolan-films, the Mission Impossible-franchise, Indiana Jones and the Bourne-franchise have all been more popular in Hollywood-country. Even the new Sherlock Holmes-series is doing a better job in the US than James Bond.
But do you really think the new Skyfall-production is only bigger than ever -biggest starcast and production team- because of quality purposes? I think that hasn't been discussed yet, but I am pretty certain EON Productions want to have a firmer grip in the USA again with its Bond franchise now Batman and Jason Bourne seem to be done.
Christopher Nolan hasn't solely been the Broccoli's rolefigure for quality purposes, but also when it comes to the whole production size. Barbara and Michael want to cash big time on 'Skyfall'. And they also know the revived Batman-franchise is finished for the moment. James Bond has to be the sole replacement of that franchise film.
I truly believe 'Skyfall' is setting an entirely new standard that hasn't been seen before in Bond history. Names like Sam Mendes, Roger Deakins, Dennis Gassner, Thomas Newman, Javier Bardem, Ralph Fiennes, Judi Dench and off course Daniel Craig are names that even Cubby could not have dreamt off having in his Bond films (If he's watching from the high heavens upon us, he must be exstatic :-)). On the contrary, Cubby suffered on many occasions backlash from big stars and big names who simply thought Bond was too low-standard for them.
Well, that has completely changed this time around. I firmly believe my above argument for 'Skyfall' will create the necessary buzz to push 'Skyfall's boxoffice in the US towards the $280,000,000. And not only this, but also the 50th anniversary, the Summer Olympics, Adele's big hit, made Britishness look cool again. The same with Bond.
Bond was losing ground in the USA, inflation correction taken into account, ever since 'Tomorrow Never Dies'. Not this time around.
Then the overseas boxoffice. Bond has always been much stronger there. And given the fact that Bond was away for four big years, I'm guessing a $620,000,000 net gross is not a strange unlogical prediction. Also not given the arguments I just made.
And then we haven't talked about a new market: IMAX-nerds. IMAX performances of 'Skyfall' will raise the tickets sales even more.
So a total of $900,000,000? I really could see it happen. Wanna make a bet with me Samuel001 ;-)??
Marketing isn't about posters only. That's such a misunderstanding. I have been in international marketing for quite some years now, and I know from experience that a big ad-machine (posters, commercials) can create backlash also. I think 'Skyfall' just faced the best marketing campaign ever since the 1960's. You know what that marketing campaign is?
Free publicity. Thanks to the Summer Olympics, Adele's big hit song and off course the 50th anniversary celebrations. Also the names of the cast and crew on 'Skyfall' itself is marketing. I'm glad EON finally brought big names onboard, causing much more free publicity.
By the way, this just came in from our own site:
And what kind of number are we expecting? If I remember correctly, QoS did £4.9m.
Whilst I totally agree with you I fail to see how the likes of Bardem, Dench, Fiennes and Mendes will attract the average American. To the mainstream US audience these people are indie filmakers who a lot of them wont even have heard of.
I think its notable that the last Bond film to openly whore itself out to the US market by hiring a big US star in Halle Berry gets a lot closer in your list to hitting the 40% domestic share of TDKR and Indy 4 than CR or QOS do.
What is without doubt though is that I cannot remember a level of Bondmania like this in my lifetime. Maybe those who were around in the 60's can tell us if its anywhere near GF and TB (which I doubt) but it certainly surpasses anything of the Brozza era since the 80s.
You are completely correct when you say that it will be helped by the Olympic and 50th boost which is a very convenient set of circumstances which I am sure will push SF to between the 800m-900m mark.
Let it not be forgotten that TDK benefitted hugely from circumstances in terms of Heath Ledgers death. You cant buy that sort of publicity and even though it was a very good film there was no indication after Batman Begins fairly modest return that it would make such a massive jump in box office and I am certain that if Ledger had not died you could wipe at least 200m off that total.
Sometimes things just align themselves - circumstances AND a really good film to produce an even bigger hit.
Sometimes it works the other way - take OHMSS. A great film but the circumstances were against it and it was perceived as a relative commercial failure.
Thanks for the insightful reply TheWizardOfIce. I do think that attracting a starcast to a Bond film initiates a renewed interest in the Bond films. Even I was thinking early this year 'How the hell did they do that? 'Skyfall' must be big then!'.
Moreover, attracting a starcast creates renewed interest in the franchise among (US) cinema reviewers. And...reviews are important for creating some extra buzz.
Then I do think that attracting a starcast to a Bond film, creates a new kind of creativity among cast and crew. Perhaps you have seen the documentary 'Everything Or Nothing'. Cubby and Harry were very much producers from the old stamp, applying a nice, friendly, but still top-down approach to its production crew. Cubby and especially Harry wanted their ideas about Bond seeing into practice. We all know Sean Connery wanted to have a bigger. creative influence on the franchise. He barely got that. Only Director Terence Young give him some of that fluidic creative freedom.
Barbara and Michael however..are applying a way more liberal approach to the Bond franchise. It is Daniel Craig who basically asked that frikkin Sam Mendes to join the cast! This daunting step from Danny did create a new kind of buzz withing the Broccoli family. Before we knew, the biggest starcast- and starcrew was on board. Neal Purvis and Robert Wade asked Ralph Fiennes to join. Then Albert Finney came onboard. And Barbara and Michael asked Roger Deakins. Sam asked Thomas Newman to join.
Let's be honest, things have never been shaked up this much since....since 'Dr. No' in 1962. I truly believe The producers say goodbye to a more or less formularic approach between 1962 and 2002. With Daniel Craig and especially with 'Skyfall' we have arrived at a new reneaissance era of the Bond franchise.
And that is slowly being picked up right now. The Bond franchise wants to get back what other franchises (Bourne, Batman) more or less took from them as an example. Bond wants to be leading again, trendsetting. 'Skyfall' screams 'I am now the monopolist again among all action/spy franchises'.
Strangely the cinema that I saw the film in was only about half full during a 6.30pm screening (in a 9 screen multiplex in France the film is screening on 2 screens)...when the film finished I noticed on the wall behind the boxoffice that the screening in the largest screen (over 430 seats) had only sold 179 tickets and was about to start and there was no one in the lobby or queuing for tickets!
http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/4018/will-the-50-year-jubilee-help-pushing-the-boxoffice-of-skyfall-to-a-gross-900-million-worldwide/p3#Item_74
Here are the inflation adjusted totals again, for reference:
1. $1,037,291,060.32 - Thunderball
2. $932,346,267.74 - Goldfinger
3. $843,280,463.96 - Live And Let Die
4. $773,204,227.54 - You Only Live Twice
5. $707,967,950.50 - The Spy Who Loved Me
6. $682,098,608.86 - Casino Royale
7. $670,341,133.13 - Moonraker
8. $662,795,358.02 - Diamonds Are Forever
9. $629,928,504.77 - Quantum Of Solace
10. $596,667,068.63 - From Russia With Love
11. $555,648,360.42 - Die Another Day
12. $534,777,984.42 - GoldenEye
13. $517,040,163.49 - On Her Majesty's Secret Service
14. $502,584,334.85 - The World Is Not Enough
15. $497,181,376.24 - For Your Eyes Only
16. $480,131,415.66 - Tomorrow Never Dies
17. $458,120,146.04 - The Man With The Golden Gun
18. $456,431,419.48 - Dr. No
19. $435,630,647.59 - Octopussy
20. $389,480,795.77 - The Living Daylights
21. $339,368,258.36 - A View To A Kill
22. $291,436,616.45 - Licence To Kill
Really, taking out the $900 million is the main issue as it's speculation, better to just post the facts, as you say.
UK Box Office friday 26 October:
£6.3m 007 Skyfall
£0.7m Madagascar 3
£0.3m Taken 2
£0.3m Paranormal Activity 4
£0.2m Hotel Transylvania
The same blog claims that the number still has to be adjusted; if the figure remains the same Skyfall will have the third biggest BO opening in the UK, while if it gets adjusted with higher results, it will pass Twilight and become the second highest grossing movie on opening night in the UK:
UK Box Office Record on Opening Night:
£9.5m Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows - part 2
£6.4m Twilight: Breaking Dawn - part 1
£6.3m 007 Skyfall
£5.9m Harry Potter e i Doni della Morte - part 1
£5.5m The Dark Knight Rises
£4.96m 007 Quantum of Solace
Source: http://boxofficebenful.blogspot.it
It's the US opening that's the key thing. Everywhere else SF is a sure thing box office wise.