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http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/2798/skyfall-to-lose-big-at-box-office
I changed the title of that thread to be the box office discussion, so Mods?
http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/2798/skyfall-box-office-results/p4#Item_102
It was a valid question Samuel001 ;-). In for a bet??
I am pretty certain 'Skyfall' will dethrone 'Live And Let Die' and 'You Only Live Twice', thus entering the TOP 3 with inflation correction applied.
*edit*
I've checked up on 'The Hobbit' ticket prices and they are about £1.25 more then Skyfall...So I guess TH will beat SF :/
But off course 'The Hobbit' will beat 'Skyfall'. Obviously. But then again, scroll up again and see my TOP 36 list of action/spy franchise films -films that have a similar feel as James Bond films-. It's better to compare those films and its box office successes with 'Skyfall'.
At the same time I think 'Skyfall' will be 3rd behind 'The Hobbit' (1st) and 'The Dark Knight Rises' (2nd) as highest grossing movies of 2012. 'Skyfall' will beat this year's 'Twilight'.
And where does The Avengers fit into that (even though I couldn't stand the film)?
I forgot 'The Avengers'! I kinda loved this popcorn movie. For one simple reason: I thought it was great and funny to see real action heroes with boundless powers actually using their boundless powers. In such a way that you're literally 'marvelled'. Seeing Loki talking philosophical sh*t, and then he suddenly gets crushed just like *that*! Impressive. I do understand very well why this movie kicked some ass. It was just one big, very well edited, very funny, action hero porn.
So here I go again then, for 2012 the TOP 5 will finally include a James Bond film:
01) $1,511,757,910 'The Avengers'
02) $1,200,000,000 'The Hobbit' (Allthough I hope it narrowly beats 'The Avengers')
03) $1,077,694,498 'The Dark Knight Rises'
04) $ 900,000,000 'Skyfall'
05) $ 867,133,985 'Ice Age: Continental Drift'
06) $ 800,000,000 'The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part 2'
07) $ 752,216,557 'The Amazing Spider-Man'
08) $ 700,450,734 'Madagascar 3'
09) $ 686,533,290 'The Hunger Games'
10) $ 624,026,776 'Men In Black III'
It never happened for the past three Bond films:
2008:
1) 'The Dark Knight'
2) 'Iron Man'
3) 'Indiana Jones And The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull'
4) 'Hancock'
5) 'WALL*E'
9) 'Quantum Of Solace'
2006:
1) 'Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest'
2) 'Night At The Museum'
3) 'Cars'
4) 'X-Men: The Last Stand'
5) 'The Da Vinci Code'
9) 'Casino Royale'
2002:
1) 'Spider-Man'
2) 'The Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers'
3) 'Star Wars: Episode II - Attack Of The Clones'
4) 'Harry Potter And The Chamber Of Secrets'
5) 'My Big Fat Greek Wedding'
12) 'Die Another Day'
Could be. I still think this Bond film could set some real records. I'd go for 265 million in the US and 635 million abroad ≈ 900 million worldwide. You should not forget IMAX tickets. Those were really driving up ticket sales for the last two Nolan-Batman-films. Though in 2005 'Batman Begins', no IMAX feature, scored a rather 'lacklustre' $374,218,673. Its main competitive reboot, 'Casino Royale', did much better in 2006, inflation adjusted as well.
IMAX sales really helped 'The Dark Knight' and 'The Dark Knight'crossing that 1 billion Dollar mark. BUT I am a realist, and 'Skyfall' will not do that. But 900 million is possible now also the IMAX-marketing strategy has kicked in with the 'Skyfall' marketeers.
Moreover, 'Skyfall' has a bigger starcast. Names like Javier Bardem are marketing brands themselves. With so many starcast members with Oscar statues listed behind their names, audiences will be more thrilled to visit this one than the previous two Bond productions.
Explain that to the 'consumers'. I mean, IMAX for me is just a movie on an even bigger screen than normal size. And that feeling alone, and the way the IMAX cinema is build, gives you this spacious experience...as if you are experiencing the action yourself. 'Skyfall' will profit from that.
For example, Christopher Nolan's 'Inception' opened on Froday July 16th 2010. Then only 1.5 week later the 3rd Twilight-film, 'Eclipse' opened on Wednesday July 30th.
$698,491,347 - Total worldwide boxoffice gross for 'Twilight III: Eclipse'
$825,532,764 - Total worldwide boxoffice gross for 'Inception'
Audience-wise, both film didn't steal each others visitors. More or less independently they grossed the above amounts of money.
Moreover, the fourth Twilight-film (premiere 18th of November 2011), 'Twilight IV: Breaking Dawn Part 1' didn't do substantially better than the 3rd Twilight-film: $705,058,657 wordlwide.
Also, Twilight is a lucrative franchise, but it's no Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit. Twilight specifically aims for a young female audience, whereas Potter and LotR are more movies for allround family audiences.
And 'Skyfall'? It's quite obvious the Bond producers are aiming at the Christopher Nolan fans, the audience that visited the last two Batman-films and Inception. And again, that audience is hugely different from the Twilight-audience.
I think if 'The Hobbit' was premiering one week after 'Skyfall'......that would be more problematic.
*On a positive note according to box office mojo Skyfall has made 96 mil in 4 days so far.
But it opened bigger than Batman in UK, so there was more excitement about it than Batman. Did you not read about all the records it broke in the UK? Biggest non-3D opening ever, biggest Saturday, biggest Monday. Why is your prediction so low?
My prediction at the moment is low because of numerous factors which effect box office that i have talk about about above. Although sky fall did break box office records in the UK, the UK is one market so saying it will make 900 million is still a bit far because of it's relative weakness in the states. Also it broke batman record due to it being on home soil as well as batman being 20 minutes longer so batman had less showings. Also batman open to less as other big films during the busy summer season such as spiderman where still in the UK cinema back at the end of July. Skyfall at the moment has little competition at UK box office the last big hit was taken 2 3 weeks ago Maybe madagascar 3 although that is a children and families film that does compete with Skyfall directly. Also Bonds like most long franchises are front loaded films so over 50 percent of it B.O will be taken in it's first 5 days or so. The ability of Skyfall to hold well against competion is a true test of it's ability to make 900 mill W.W. As 900 mill is a huge amount for any film and would be one-third increase on previous films an almost unheard of amount in modern box office history.
Anyway i'm just saying this from experience of box office trends that i have followed a great delay for a number of years.
It's a bit like soccer versus american football. Or even rugby vs. american football. They always need to change or update an already established global penomenon according to American standards :-P.
Umm... opening weekends.
TDKR $22.4m
SKYFALL $32.4m
TDKR $22.4m
SKYFALL $32.4m
What is this supposed to mean neither of these figures are box office records unless your talking about 2d records? The final harry potter still has the biggest opening weekend in the UK it opened to $37.8 mil last july in the UK! As i have stated before breaking records in the UK means not much it needs more popularity outside of the UK. If it was as popular outside the UK as it is in the UK we would be talking Avengers type numbers but unfortunately we are not.
Htall90, can you please compare the Bond franchise with competitive action/spy franchises? Bringing in 'The Avengers' is a load of nonsense. It's aiming at a different audience. And movie-wise, 'The Avengers' and 'James Bond' are vastly different from each other.
Try this list for a good comparison:
I think 'Indiana Jones' and 'Inception' are the movies that 'Skyfall' will aim for, moneywise. If 'Skyfall' will surpass 'Inception', and I think it will, than 'Skyfall' is already in the TOP 3 of this list. And THAT would be something of a milestone itself.
Again, this is my prediction for 'Skyfall':
domestic (US) gross: $265,00,000 - 29.4%
foreign (rest) gross: $635,000,000 - 70.6%
Records in the US? Most likely not. But outside the US? I expect one hell of a record when taking into account my list above.
I'm sticking to between 700 to 750 W.W at the moment i may up this amount in the coming weeks particularly after it's US release.
Let me remind you of what you said and perhaps you will see 'what this is supposed to mean'.
"I'm British and from what i have heard it is a very good film but there seems even here to be know where near the excitement to see skyfall as there was for batman."
Skyfall is on track to take $200 - 215 million in the US. No way does it earn nearly $100 more than the last films.