Will the 50 year jubilee help pushing the boxoffice of 'SkyFall' to a gross 900 million worldwide?

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  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Here's an even older box office discussion. Best to continue there?

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/2798/skyfall-to-lose-big-at-box-office
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    Here's an even older box office discussion. Best to continue there?

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/2798/skyfall-to-lose-big-at-box-office

    I changed the title of that thread to be the box office discussion, so Mods?

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/2798/skyfall-box-office-results/p4#Item_102
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 11,119
    Mind if we compare some similar franchises and its box office successes. Because I also love the James Bond franchise from the perspective of my own job (marketing)?

    01) $1,076,999,996 -- 'The Dark Knight Rises' (2012)
    domestic (US) gross: $446,861,181 - 41.5%
    foreign (rest) gross: $630,800,000 - 58.5%

    02) $1,003,045,358 -- 'The Dark Knight' (2008)
    domestic (US) gross: $534,858,444 - 53.2%
    foreign (rest) gross: $469,700,000 - 46.8%

    03) $825,532,764 -- 'Inception' (2010)
    domestic (US) gross: $292,576,195 - 35.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $532,956,569 - 64.6%

    04) $786,636,033 -- 'Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull' (2008)
    domestic (US) gross: $317,101,119 - 40.3%
    foreign (rest) gross: $469,534,914 - 59.7%

    05) $694,713,380 -- 'Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol' (2011)
    domestic (US) gross: $209,397,903 - 30.1%
    foreign (rest) gross: $485,315,477 - 69.9%

    06) $594,239,066 -- 'Casino Royale' (2006)
    domestic (US) gross: $167,445,960 - 28.1%
    foreign (rest) gross: $426,793,106 - 71.8%

    07) $586,090,727 -- 'Quantum Of Solace' (2008)
    domestic (US) gross: $168,368,427 - 28.7%
    foreign (rest) gross: $417,722,300 - 71.3%

    08) $546,388,105 -- 'Mission: Impossible II' (2000)
    domestic (US) gross: $215,409,889 - 39.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $330,978,216 - 60.6%

    09) $543,848,418 -- 'Sherlock Holmes II: A Game Of Shadows' (2011)
    domestic (US) gross: $186,848,418 - 34.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $357,000,000 - 65.6%

    10) $524,028,679 -- 'Sherlock Holmes I' (2009)
    domestic (US) gross: $209,028,679 - 39.9%
    foreign (rest) gross: $315,000,000 - 60.1%

    11) $478,207,520 -- 'Mr. And Mrs. Smith' (2005)
    domestic (US) gross: $186,336,279 - 39.0%
    foreign (rest) gross: $291,871,241 - 61.0%

    12) $442,824,138 -- 'The Bourne Ultimatum' (2007)
    domestic (US) gross: $227,471,070 - 51.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $215,353,068 - 48.6%

    13) $431,971,116 -- 'Die Another Day' (2002)
    domestic (US) gross: $160,942,139 - 37.3%
    foreign (rest) gross: $271,028,977 - 62.7%

    14) $397,850,012 -- 'Mission: Impossible III' (2006)
    15) $383,531,464 -- 'Live Free Or Die Hard' (2007)
    16) $372,710,015 -- 'Batman Begins' (2005)
    17) $293,503,354 -- 'Salt' (2010)
    18) $288,500,217 -- 'The Bourne Supremacy' (2004)
    19) $287,239,968 -- 'Taken 2' (2012)
    20) $285,444,603 -- 'Lethal Weapon 4' (1998)
    21) $277,448,382 -- 'xXx' (2002)
    22) $239,370,105 -- 'The Bourne Legacy' (2012)
    23) $226,830,568 -- 'Taken' (2009)
    24) $214,034,224 -- 'The Bourne Identity' (2002)
    25) $207,884,401 -- 'Safe House' (2012)
    26) $199,006,387 -- 'Red' (2010)
    27) $177,238,796 -- 'The A-Team' (2010)
    28) $118,063,304 -- 'The Saint' (1997)
    29) $99,965,792 -- 'Hitman' (2007)
    30) $80,630,608 -- 'Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy' (2011)
    31) $71,022,693 -- 'xXx: State Of The Union' (2005)
    32) $70,692,101 -- 'Ronin' (1998)
    33) $60,965,854 -- 'Colombiana' (2011)
    34) $60,161,391 -- 'The International' (2009)
    35) $52,826,594 -- 'From Paris With Love' (2010)
    36) $50,732,945 -- 'I Spy' (2002)
    37) $16,933,380 -- 'The Heir Apparent: Largo Winch' (2011)

    I think that everyone agrees the James Bond franchise has a weakness to overcome in the USA. The revived Batman franchise, other Nolan-films, the Mission Impossible-franchise, Indiana Jones and the Bourne-franchise have all been more popular in Hollywood-country. Even the new Sherlock Holmes-series is doing a better job in the US than James Bond.

    But do you really think the new Skyfall-production is only bigger than ever -biggest starcast and production team- because of quality purposes? I think that hasn't been discussed yet, but I am pretty certain EON Productions want to have a firmer grip in the USA again with its Bond franchise now Batman and Jason Bourne seem to be done.

    Christopher Nolan hasn't solely been the Broccoli's rolefigure for quality purposes, but also when it comes to the whole production size. Barbara and Michael want to cash big time on 'Skyfall'. And they also know the revived Batman-franchise is finished for the moment. James Bond has to be the sole replacement of that franchise film.

    I truly believe 'Skyfall' is setting an entirely new standard that hasn't been seen before in Bond history. Names like Sam Mendes, Roger Deakins, Dennis Gassner, Thomas Newman, Javier Bardem, Ralph Fiennes, Judi Dench and off course Daniel Craig are names that even Cubby could not have dreamt off having in his Bond films (If he's watching from the high heavens upon us, he must be exstatic :-)). On the contrary, Cubby suffered on many occasions backlash from big stars and big names who simply thought Bond was too low-standard for them.

    Well, that has completely changed this time around. I firmly believe my above argument for 'Skyfall' will create the necessary buzz to push 'Skyfall's boxoffice in the US towards the $280,000,000. And not only this, but also the 50th anniversary, the Summer Olympics, Adele's big hit, made Britishness look cool again. The same with Bond.

    Bond was losing ground in the USA, inflation correction taken into account, ever since 'Tomorrow Never Dies'. Not this time around.

    Then the overseas boxoffice. Bond has always been much stronger there. And given the fact that Bond was away for four big years, I'm guessing a $620,000,000 net gross is not a strange unlogical prediction. Also not given the arguments I just made.

    And then we haven't talked about a new market: IMAX-nerds. IMAX performances of 'Skyfall' will raise the tickets sales even more.

    So a total of $900,000,000? I really could see it happen. Wanna make a bet with me Samuel001 ;-)??

    It was a valid question Samuel001 ;-). In for a bet??
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 11,119
    Samuel001 wrote:
    It may be better to change the title of this thread. Just so it's known this is for Box Office updates.

    Here are the inflation adjusted totals again, for reference:

    1. $1,037,291,060.32 - Thunderball
    2. $932,346,267.74 - Goldfinger
    3. $843,280,463.96 - Live And Let Die
    4. $773,204,227.54 - You Only Live Twice
    5. $707,967,950.50 - The Spy Who Loved Me
    6. $682,098,608.86 - Casino Royale
    7. $670,341,133.13 - Moonraker
    8. $662,795,358.02 - Diamonds Are Forever
    9. $629,928,504.77 - Quantum Of Solace
    10. $596,667,068.63 - From Russia With Love
    11. $555,648,360.42 - Die Another Day
    12. $534,777,984.42 - GoldenEye
    13. $517,040,163.49 - On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    14. $502,584,334.85 - The World Is Not Enough
    15. $497,181,376.24 - For Your Eyes Only
    16. $480,131,415.66 - Tomorrow Never Dies
    17. $458,120,146.04 - The Man With The Golden Gun
    18. $456,431,419.48 - Dr. No
    19. $435,630,647.59 - Octopussy
    20. $389,480,795.77 - The Living Daylights
    21. $339,368,258.36 - A View To A Kill
    22. $291,436,616.45 - Licence To Kill

    I am pretty certain 'Skyfall' will dethrone 'Live And Let Die' and 'You Only Live Twice', thus entering the TOP 3 with inflation correction applied.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 12,837
    I think it'll get number 4 or 5, maybe 3 if we're lucky.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 367
    Any news on the Saturday UK Box office? 10 Mill maybe? Friday took 6.3.

    *edit*

    I've checked up on 'The Hobbit' ticket prices and they are about £1.25 more then Skyfall...So I guess TH will beat SF :/
  • Posts: 11,119
    Kananga wrote:
    Any news on the Saturday UK Box office? 10 Mill maybe? Friday took 6.3.

    *edit*

    I've checked up on 'The Hobbit' ticket prices and they are about £1.25 more then Skyfall...So I guess TH will beat SF :/

    But off course 'The Hobbit' will beat 'Skyfall'. Obviously. But then again, scroll up again and see my TOP 36 list of action/spy franchise films -films that have a similar feel as James Bond films-. It's better to compare those films and its box office successes with 'Skyfall'.

    At the same time I think 'Skyfall' will be 3rd behind 'The Hobbit' (1st) and 'The Dark Knight Rises' (2nd) as highest grossing movies of 2012. 'Skyfall' will beat this year's 'Twilight'.
  • Posts: 224
    Kananga wrote:
    Any news on the Saturday UK Box office? 10 Mill maybe? Friday took 6.3.

    *edit*

    I've checked up on 'The Hobbit' ticket prices and they are about £1.25 more then Skyfall...So I guess TH will beat SF :/

    But off course 'The Hobbit' will beat 'Skyfall'. Obviously. But then again, scroll up again and see my TOP 36 list of action/spy franchise films -films that have a similar feel as James Bond films-. It's better to compare those films and its box office successes with 'Skyfall'.

    At the same time I think 'Skyfall' will be 3rd behind 'The Hobbit' (1st) and 'The Dark Knight Rises' (2nd) as highest grossing movies of 2012. 'Skyfall' will beat this year's 'Twilight'.

    And where does The Avengers fit into that (even though I couldn't stand the film)?
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 11,119
    robboadam wrote:
    Kananga wrote:
    Any news on the Saturday UK Box office? 10 Mill maybe? Friday took 6.3.

    *edit*

    I've checked up on 'The Hobbit' ticket prices and they are about £1.25 more then Skyfall...So I guess TH will beat SF :/

    But off course 'The Hobbit' will beat 'Skyfall'. Obviously. But then again, scroll up again and see my TOP 36 list of action/spy franchise films -films that have a similar feel as James Bond films-. It's better to compare those films and its box office successes with 'Skyfall'.

    At the same time I think 'Skyfall' will be 3rd behind 'The Hobbit' (1st) and 'The Dark Knight Rises' (2nd) as highest grossing movies of 2012. 'Skyfall' will beat this year's 'Twilight'.

    And where does The Avengers fit into that (even though I couldn't stand the film)?

    I forgot 'The Avengers'! I kinda loved this popcorn movie. For one simple reason: I thought it was great and funny to see real action heroes with boundless powers actually using their boundless powers. In such a way that you're literally 'marvelled'. Seeing Loki talking philosophical sh*t, and then he suddenly gets crushed just like *that*! Impressive. I do understand very well why this movie kicked some ass. It was just one big, very well edited, very funny, action hero porn.

    So here I go again then, for 2012 the TOP 5 will finally include a James Bond film:
    01) $1,511,757,910 'The Avengers'
    02) $1,200,000,000 'The Hobbit' (Allthough I hope it narrowly beats 'The Avengers')
    03) $1,077,694,498 'The Dark Knight Rises'
    04) $ 900,000,000 'Skyfall'
    05) $ 867,133,985 'Ice Age: Continental Drift'
    06) $ 800,000,000 'The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part 2'
    07) $ 752,216,557 'The Amazing Spider-Man'
    08) $ 700,450,734 'Madagascar 3'
    09) $ 686,533,290 'The Hunger Games'
    10) $ 624,026,776 'Men In Black III'


    It never happened for the past three Bond films:

    2008:
    1) 'The Dark Knight'
    2) 'Iron Man'
    3) 'Indiana Jones And The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull'
    4) 'Hancock'
    5) 'WALL*E'
    9) 'Quantum Of Solace'

    2006:
    1) 'Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest'
    2) 'Night At The Museum'
    3) 'Cars'
    4) 'X-Men: The Last Stand'
    5) 'The Da Vinci Code'
    9) 'Casino Royale'

    2002:
    1) 'Spider-Man'
    2) 'The Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers'
    3) 'Star Wars: Episode II - Attack Of The Clones'
    4) 'Harry Potter And The Chamber Of Secrets'
    5) 'My Big Fat Greek Wedding'
    12) 'Die Another Day'


  • Posts: 277
    It did not break any records accept franchise ones in the uk. I'm British and from what i have heard it is a very good film but there seems even here to be know where near the excitement to see skyfall as there was for batman. So it may not hold as well as batman did in the uk. Worldwide i'd say between 700 to 750 mil between 200 to 220 mil in the USA around half a billion internationally! The problem is in the US it is not any near as big as the likes of batman or any other superhero films who have dominated the box office in the USA for a decade.
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    htall90 wrote:
    It did not break any records accept franchise ones in the uk. I'm British and from what i have heard it is a very good film but there seems even here to be know where near the excitement to see skyfall as there was for batman. So it may not hold as well as batman did in the uk. Worldwide i'd say between 700 to 750 mil between 200 to 220 mil in the USA around half a billion internationally! The problem is in the US it is not any near as big as the likes of batman or any other superhero films who have dominated the box office in the USA for a decade.

    Could be. I still think this Bond film could set some real records. I'd go for 265 million in the US and 635 million abroad ≈ 900 million worldwide. You should not forget IMAX tickets. Those were really driving up ticket sales for the last two Nolan-Batman-films. Though in 2005 'Batman Begins', no IMAX feature, scored a rather 'lacklustre' $374,218,673. Its main competitive reboot, 'Casino Royale', did much better in 2006, inflation adjusted as well.

    IMAX sales really helped 'The Dark Knight' and 'The Dark Knight'crossing that 1 billion Dollar mark. BUT I am a realist, and 'Skyfall' will not do that. But 900 million is possible now also the IMAX-marketing strategy has kicked in with the 'Skyfall' marketeers.

    Moreover, 'Skyfall' has a bigger starcast. Names like Javier Bardem are marketing brands themselves. With so many starcast members with Oscar statues listed behind their names, audiences will be more thrilled to visit this one than the previous two Bond productions.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 203
    I hope you are right GG! I can see the combo of IMAX prices, Adele's theme song, good word of mouth and 50th anniversary pushing the box office returns for SF higher. However, my conservative estimate for final figues will be somewhere between 800 and 850 (Approx. US = 200 + WW = 600 = 800). I would be exstatic with 900! and I am sure EON would be too! LOL!
  • Posts: 277
    GG i feel you are overestimating the importance of IMAX the dark knight benefited through IMAX due to having 30 minutes of scenes shot with the IMAX cameras. While the Dark knight rise had 72 minutes of the film, filmed with IMAX cameras this meant they made loads at IMAX due to the IMAX scenes. Not a single scene of skyfall was filmed in IMAX so that will damage it at IMAX due to the increase in ticket prices at IMAX so it not worth paying extra for a film with no IMAX scenes. Also Oscar success does not lead to box office success most of the time big names do however and daniel craig and the rest of the cast are big names they are no box office megastars like johnny depp or Samuel l Jackson for example. I cannot also understand why the producers and the studio are realising the film in American the biggest market a week before the release of the twilight finale. The twilight films are huge in American and the finale will surely crush all before it at US box office as it is the biggest US box office event since batman and that was ages ago in box office time. I hope as a proud Brit that bond does make as much money as possible as i need something to cheer me up as it gets cold by the day here in england lol!
  • Posts: 11,119
    htall90 wrote:
    GG i feel you are overestimating the importance of IMAX the dark knight benefited through IMAX due to having 30 minutes of scenes shot with the IMAX cameras. While the Dark knight rise had 72 minutes of the film, filmed with IMAX cameras this meant they made loads at IMAX due to the IMAX scenes. Not a single scene of skyfall was filmed in IMAX so that will damage it at IMAX due to the increase in ticket prices at IMAX so it not worth paying extra for a film with no IMAX scenes. Also Oscar success does not lead to box office success most of the time big names do however and daniel craig and the rest of the cast are big names they are no box office megastars like johnny depp or Samuel l Jackson for example. I cannot also understand why the producers and the studio are realising the film in American the biggest market a week before the release of the twilight finale. The twilight films are huge in American and the finale will surely crush all before it at US box office as it is the biggest US box office event since batman and that was ages ago in box office time. I hope as a proud Brit that bond does make as much money as possible as i need something to cheer me up as it gets cold by the day here in england lol!

    Explain that to the 'consumers'. I mean, IMAX for me is just a movie on an even bigger screen than normal size. And that feeling alone, and the way the IMAX cinema is build, gives you this spacious experience...as if you are experiencing the action yourself. 'Skyfall' will profit from that.
  • Posts: 11,119
    htall90 wrote:
    GG i feel you are overestimating the importance of IMAX the dark knight benefited through IMAX due to having 30 minutes of scenes shot with the IMAX cameras. While the Dark knight rise had 72 minutes of the film, filmed with IMAX cameras this meant they made loads at IMAX due to the IMAX scenes. Not a single scene of skyfall was filmed in IMAX so that will damage it at IMAX due to the increase in ticket prices at IMAX so it not worth paying extra for a film with no IMAX scenes. Also Oscar success does not lead to box office success most of the time big names do however and daniel craig and the rest of the cast are big names they are no box office megastars like johnny depp or Samuel l Jackson for example. I cannot also understand why the producers and the studio are realising the film in American the biggest market a week before the release of the twilight finale. The twilight films are huge in American and the finale will surely crush all before it at US box office as it is the biggest US box office event since batman and that was ages ago in box office time. I hope as a proud Brit that bond does make as much money as possible as i need something to cheer me up as it gets cold by the day here in england lol!

    For example, Christopher Nolan's 'Inception' opened on Froday July 16th 2010. Then only 1.5 week later the 3rd Twilight-film, 'Eclipse' opened on Wednesday July 30th.

    $698,491,347 - Total worldwide boxoffice gross for 'Twilight III: Eclipse'
    $825,532,764 - Total worldwide boxoffice gross for 'Inception'

    Audience-wise, both film didn't steal each others visitors. More or less independently they grossed the above amounts of money.

    Moreover, the fourth Twilight-film (premiere 18th of November 2011), 'Twilight IV: Breaking Dawn Part 1' didn't do substantially better than the 3rd Twilight-film: $705,058,657 wordlwide.

    Also, Twilight is a lucrative franchise, but it's no Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit. Twilight specifically aims for a young female audience, whereas Potter and LotR are more movies for allround family audiences.

    And 'Skyfall'? It's quite obvious the Bond producers are aiming at the Christopher Nolan fans, the audience that visited the last two Batman-films and Inception. And again, that audience is hugely different from the Twilight-audience.

    I think if 'The Hobbit' was premiering one week after 'Skyfall'......that would be more problematic.
  • Posts: 277
    Imax contributed a 100 mil to batman this year roughly worldwide so maybe 50 to 60 for skyfall which is not huge but still very good. The difference is twilight is the finale so there will be huge interest in it in the USA in particular.It should make 300 plus mil in US due to it is the last chance for immensely loyal fans to see the saga in the cinema. It will also open to well over 100 mil in the US more like 140 mil plus new moon made 142 mil in it's opening weekend a movie this size effects sky fall because it takes screens on mass from skyfall rather then fans. I hate twilight but the fact of the matter is bond is not on the same level in the US as twilight it just a fact unfortunatly. Also Twilight is big overseas making 400 mil for the last 3 movies overseas this will effect Skyfall oversea's as well. Twilight fans loyalty is huge coupled with number of fans and repeat viewings by fanatical fans will mean a massive ww gross for the finale which may effect Skyfall. Twilight has fans as loyal and of similar size as mega franchises such as Star wars, LOTR and Harry potter maybe a bit smaller but huge no doubt. Also female moviegoers who are crucial to hollywood nowadays have not had a big movie adaption of a bestseller since hunger games in march this may help twilight further. Anyway i hope i'm wrong but the Finale of a mega franchises does have a bad effect on all other films release at a similar time normally lol.

    *On a positive note according to box office mojo Skyfall has made 96 mil in 4 days so far.
  • Posts: 158
    Looks like it is on target for that 900m worldwide.
  • Posts: 158
    htall90 wrote:
    It did not break any records accept franchise ones in the uk. I'm British and from what i have heard it is a very good film but there seems even here to be know where near the excitement to see skyfall as there was for batman. So it may not hold as well as batman did in the uk. Worldwide i'd say between 700 to 750 mil between 200 to 220 mil in the USA around half a billion internationally! The problem is in the US it is not any near as big as the likes of batman or any other superhero films who have dominated the box office in the USA for a decade.

    But it opened bigger than Batman in UK, so there was more excitement about it than Batman. Did you not read about all the records it broke in the UK? Biggest non-3D opening ever, biggest Saturday, biggest Monday. Why is your prediction so low?

  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    Bond is always bigger in the UK than other films. $700 million is hardly low. Why am I even bothering?
  • Posts: 277
    But it opened bigger than Batman in UK, so there was more excitement about it than Batman. Did you not read about all the records it broke in the UK? Biggest non-3D opening ever, biggest Saturday, biggest Monday. Why is your prediction so low?

    My prediction at the moment is low because of numerous factors which effect box office that i have talk about about above. Although sky fall did break box office records in the UK, the UK is one market so saying it will make 900 million is still a bit far because of it's relative weakness in the states. Also it broke batman record due to it being on home soil as well as batman being 20 minutes longer so batman had less showings. Also batman open to less as other big films during the busy summer season such as spiderman where still in the UK cinema back at the end of July. Skyfall at the moment has little competition at UK box office the last big hit was taken 2 3 weeks ago Maybe madagascar 3 although that is a children and families film that does compete with Skyfall directly. Also Bonds like most long franchises are front loaded films so over 50 percent of it B.O will be taken in it's first 5 days or so. The ability of Skyfall to hold well against competion is a true test of it's ability to make 900 mill W.W. As 900 mill is a huge amount for any film and would be one-third increase on previous films an almost unheard of amount in modern box office history.

    Anyway i'm just saying this from experience of box office trends that i have followed a great delay for a number of years.
  • Posts: 5,745
    I can assure you the average American isn't as enthusiastic as your expecting.
  • Posts: 11,119
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    I can assure you the average American isn't as enthusiastic as your expecting.

    It's a bit like soccer versus american football. Or even rugby vs. american football. They always need to change or update an already established global penomenon according to American standards :-P.
  • htall90 wrote:
    It did not break any records accept franchise ones in the uk. I'm British and from what i have heard it is a very good film but there seems even here to be know where near the excitement to see skyfall as there was for batman.

    Umm... opening weekends.
    TDKR $22.4m
    SKYFALL $32.4m
  • Posts: 277
    Umm... opening weekends.
    TDKR $22.4m
    SKYFALL $32.4m

    What is this supposed to mean neither of these figures are box office records unless your talking about 2d records? The final harry potter still has the biggest opening weekend in the UK it opened to $37.8 mil last july in the UK! As i have stated before breaking records in the UK means not much it needs more popularity outside of the UK. If it was as popular outside the UK as it is in the UK we would be talking Avengers type numbers but unfortunately we are not.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 11,119
    htall90 wrote:
    Umm... opening weekends.
    TDKR $22.4m
    SKYFALL $32.4m

    What is this supposed to mean neither of these figures are box office records unless your talking about 2d records? The final harry potter still has the biggest opening weekend in the UK it opened to $37.8 mil last july in the UK! As i have stated before breaking records in the UK means not much it needs more popularity outside of the UK. If it was as popular outside the UK as it is in the UK we would be talking Avengers type numbers but unfortunately we are not.

    Htall90, can you please compare the Bond franchise with competitive action/spy franchises? Bringing in 'The Avengers' is a load of nonsense. It's aiming at a different audience. And movie-wise, 'The Avengers' and 'James Bond' are vastly different from each other.

    Try this list for a good comparison:
    01) $1,076,999,996 -- 'The Dark Knight Rises' (2012)
    domestic (US) gross: $446,861,181 - 41.5%
    foreign (rest) gross: $630,800,000 - 58.5%

    02) $1,003,045,358 -- 'The Dark Knight' (2008)
    domestic (US) gross: $534,858,444 - 53.2%
    foreign (rest) gross: $469,700,000 - 46.8%

    03) $825,532,764 -- 'Inception' (2010)
    domestic (US) gross: $292,576,195 - 35.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $532,956,569 - 64.6%

    04) $786,636,033 -- 'Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull' (2008)
    domestic (US) gross: $317,101,119 - 40.3%
    foreign (rest) gross: $469,534,914 - 59.7%

    05) $694,713,380 -- 'Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol' (2011)
    domestic (US) gross: $209,397,903 - 30.1%
    foreign (rest) gross: $485,315,477 - 69.9%

    06) $594,239,066 -- 'Casino Royale' (2006)
    domestic (US) gross: $167,445,960 - 28.1%
    foreign (rest) gross: $426,793,106 - 71.8%

    07) $586,090,727 -- 'Quantum Of Solace' (2008)
    domestic (US) gross: $168,368,427 - 28.7%
    foreign (rest) gross: $417,722,300 - 71.3%

    08) $546,388,105 -- 'Mission: Impossible II' (2000)
    domestic (US) gross: $215,409,889 - 39.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $330,978,216 - 60.6%

    09) $543,848,418 -- 'Sherlock Holmes II: A Game Of Shadows' (2011)
    domestic (US) gross: $186,848,418 - 34.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $357,000,000 - 65.6%

    10) $524,028,679 -- 'Sherlock Holmes I' (2009)
    domestic (US) gross: $209,028,679 - 39.9%
    foreign (rest) gross: $315,000,000 - 60.1%

    11) $478,207,520 -- 'Mr. And Mrs. Smith' (2005)
    domestic (US) gross: $186,336,279 - 39.0%
    foreign (rest) gross: $291,871,241 - 61.0%

    12) $442,824,138 -- 'The Bourne Ultimatum' (2007)
    domestic (US) gross: $227,471,070 - 51.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $215,353,068 - 48.6%

    13) $431,971,116 -- 'Die Another Day' (2002)
    domestic (US) gross: $160,942,139 - 37.3%
    foreign (rest) gross: $271,028,977 - 62.7%

    14) $397,850,012 -- 'Mission: Impossible III' (2006)
    15) $383,531,464 -- 'Live Free Or Die Hard' (2007)
    16) $372,710,015 -- 'Batman Begins' (2005)
    17) $293,503,354 -- 'Salt' (2010)
    18) $288,500,217 -- 'The Bourne Supremacy' (2004)
    19) $287,239,968 -- 'Taken 2' (2012)
    20) $285,444,603 -- 'Lethal Weapon 4' (1998)
    21) $277,448,382 -- 'xXx' (2002)
    22) $239,370,105 -- 'The Bourne Legacy' (2012)
    23) $226,830,568 -- 'Taken' (2009)
    24) $214,034,224 -- 'The Bourne Identity' (2002)
    25) $207,884,401 -- 'Safe House' (2012)
    26) $199,006,387 -- 'Red' (2010)
    27) $177,238,796 -- 'The A-Team' (2010)
    28) $118,063,304 -- 'The Saint' (1997)
    29) $99,965,792 -- 'Hitman' (2007)
    30) $80,630,608 -- 'Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy' (2011)
    31) $71,022,693 -- 'xXx: State Of The Union' (2005)
    32) $70,692,101 -- 'Ronin' (1998)
    33) $60,965,854 -- 'Colombiana' (2011)
    34) $60,161,391 -- 'The International' (2009)
    35) $52,826,594 -- 'From Paris With Love' (2010)
    36) $50,732,945 -- 'I Spy' (2002)
    37) $16,933,380 -- 'The Heir Apparent: Largo Winch' (2011)

    I think 'Indiana Jones' and 'Inception' are the movies that 'Skyfall' will aim for, moneywise. If 'Skyfall' will surpass 'Inception', and I think it will, than 'Skyfall' is already in the TOP 3 of this list. And THAT would be something of a milestone itself.

    Again, this is my prediction for 'Skyfall':
    domestic (US) gross: $265,00,000 - 29.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $635,000,000 - 70.6%

    Records in the US? Most likely not. But outside the US? I expect one hell of a record when taking into account my list above.




  • Posts: 277
    I only talked about the Avengers as a joke because if James bond was as popular worldwide as it was in Britain it would be Avengers lol. I would be very impressed if it passed Indy or inception not so much Indy as the film came out 4 years and prices have risen and Indy 4 suffered from poor word of mouth so slowed down a lot after a huge opening. Inception was a massive hit as it was an original film with a fairly unique story for a big hollywood blockbuster. It generated from amazing word of mouth due to orginality and it had many positive such as Nolan first film after the insanely popular dark knight and it has one of the top 2 biggest actors in the world in dicaprio. I don't think Skyfall has as many positives going for it to outgross Inception for sure except an increase in ticket prices. Althought what i know about box office i thought Avengers would only make 900 mil but tbf no one in the world predicted the Avengers sucess lol.

    I'm sticking to between 700 to 750 W.W at the moment i may up this amount in the coming weeks particularly after it's US release.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 108
    htall90 wrote:
    Umm... opening weekends.
    TDKR $22.4m
    SKYFALL $32.4m

    What is this supposed to mean neither of these figures are box office records unless your talking about 2d records?

    Let me remind you of what you said and perhaps you will see 'what this is supposed to mean'.

    "I'm British and from what i have heard it is a very good film but there seems even here to be know where near the excitement to see skyfall as there was for batman."

  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    Again, this is my prediction for 'Skyfall':
    domestic (US) gross: $265,00,000 - 29.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $635,000,000 - 70.6%

    Skyfall is on track to take $200 - 215 million in the US. No way does it earn nearly $100 more than the last films.
  • Posts: 277
    Yes i admit Skyfall is bigger here the UK then DKR but this may have to do with longer running time of DKR as well as Skyfall having fans older then me. People of my age 18 to 25 seemed more excited for batman then bond. So maybe i should of send Bond has a broader section of society excited for it due to age of the franchise. Also far to much is been made of the UK it is not even a top 3 market the top 3 markets are USA, Japan and China so if bond is huge there it will make 900 mil. It will be very big in China due to scenes in Shanghai. Skyfall may make 265 mil US if it was in 3d not in 2d there is to much competition and lack of interest stateside for it to make more in the US then spiderman.
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