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My argument is that he didn't have the big screen charisma that an actor in such a huge franchise needed. I know some people think he did, but I don't. I think he failed in that department.
Whether Simon Pegg said this before or after he cast Dalton, I don't know.
I can see where they're coming from now that I look at Dalton with older eyes. I still love his portrayal but can see how his style would put some people off.
I think the "acid test" for any new Bond actor is whether they are embraced in the States. Perhaps thats a sad state of affairs but it seems to be true.
What a pity....
Well it does make sense given how big the States is compared to the UK
But even TLD came in at around 19/20 according to BO Mojo.
I'm not so sure I agree BAIN. I mean, I'm just speaking from personal experience as an American myself. Bond in general just isn't as big here as it is in the UK it seems. I know very few people - friends and family who like the series. I'm envious of you guys across the pond who talk fondly of holidays spent watching Bond marathons with the family - seems like a real tradition. Again, maybe you might have an argument statistically (I don't know the US box office numbers to compare), but just speaking culturally, Bond isn't really a big thing here and I can't really remember when it was, at least in the last 15 years. To me, it seems like Bond is more of an international phenomenon, that's why it continues to do well.
Well they didn't help, but poor marketing and Dalton's failure to grab the masses were also considerations.
We can find lots of reasons why LTK didn't do well, but I have an unpopular theory...
I'm no expert when it comes to these things but it does seem to me that the most universally loved Bond films (GF,TSWLM, CR etc) all performed well in America as well as Britain.
True, fair point for sure. Come to think of it, CR was a pretty big deal here.
It depends what you individually care about BO or quality?
Sometimes the two go hand in hand ie CR but more often they don't as a quality script is rewritten so the masses can understand it and put bums on seats. Dalton did two quality products which have stood the test of time and are thought better off then dumb shit like DAD (and GE?)
:P
Which reputation is better? Laurence of Arabia or Transformers?
That's a good point :p
I will admit that a lot of crap does well but ideally they should go hand-in-hand.
GF, TSWLM and CR are good films AND rightly did well at the BO.
I think Bond is bigger in the UK, but it makes more money in America because it's a much bigger market. And I think Dalton wasn't very popular in America sadly.
While there are obviously a lot of big Bond fans in the US, there is also a strong history of anti-British sentiment in the US, which might explain why a British secret service agent is not universally popular on the other side of the pond. There are good historical reasons for this, so I'm not having a go at our cousins in Amercia. However, sometimes it does go too far. Many people in the US up until 2001 thought it was perfectly justified to give money to Sinn Fein - money that directly or indirectly ended up funding terrorism in the UK. It was only after 2001 that the Americans took steps to stop this. Many Americans I know with Scots and Irish ancestry regard themselves as rather suspicious of The Brits, and English in particular. May be Skyfall with it's focus on Bond's Scottish heritage will help change attitudes stateside.
I think audiences weren't ready for Bond to be dark and edgy. For over a decade and for 7 films, you had Roger Moore who had firmly settled in as the fabric of who and what Bond is; mostly light stuff and for Dalton to take things back to the source material, it wasn't something audiences were ready for regarding Bond. They were all for Van Dams, Arnolds Stallones and Willisis but Bond has always been an entity unto and within itself and the audience just saw it as Bond jumping onto this bandwagon, which imo is bs. The EoN documentary explains this perfectly. It's just a shame that the world needed a tragic event to occur for audiences to recognise and see sense. That being said, LTK is an amazing movie and I now rate it higher than TLD and it's fast going up my list.
I dunno. I was watching some of TSWLM earlier on the Bond movie channel and Moore probably is a bit more appealing and...dare I say...entertaining than Dalton. That said in MR he is quite annoying.
Am actually seeing some of TWINE as I write this, and while yes Brosnan has his limitations he probably has a more striking manner about him than Dalts.
One of the problems I have with Dalton's performance is that you can see EVERY emotion on his face - he's very visual. He's angry, he'll show it by looking round and pulling angry faces. He doesn't have the charm or gracefulness of Connery and Moore (people liked that). Connery and Moore made it look easy, with Dalton he often seemed quite self aware.
Aaahhh! Must stop Dalton bashing
No, he couldn't or shouldn't come back :p
I do genuinely get the feeling that while Dalton is the stronger actor, Brosnan is probably a bit more...accessable and charismatic. Kind of like Moore.
He can do comedy - just not the Moore-style lines.
I think he had a few lines in TLD which were an obvious hangover from the Rog era but he definitely had a strong debut. for me it was all down hill when he left and was greatly relieved when his successor was let go and Craig gave us the best Bond since Connery.
I think Dalton may well could have been a much greater Bond had he had time to settle into the role but he is still my no.3
your right- Brosnan can come back as Bond (after training and dying his hair darker) and so can dalton if he gets a wig and training
Ok stranger things have happened in the worlds timeline but really, there's no chance that either actor could ever play Bond again. When Craig leaves in say five or six years time or whenever, they'll go for a younger actor or one of say, 30 or 35 years of age I feel, even younger than Craig when he made his debut in 2006