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The Bourne Legacy's impact on Skyfall

Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
edited November 2012 in Skyfall Posts: 13,355
With a fourth Bourne film coming out in August next year do you think it'll have any impact in relation to how Bond 23 is measured when it's released - only three months later?

I ask this because there's been much talk of the 'influence' the series has had on Bond and as this film, if you don't know, features a new character and actor as the lead, has no Damon or Bourne will there still be comparisons?

Of course production could begin on <i>Bond 23</i> first, so people will not be able to say any ideas have been stolen this time and there's a big feeling, at least online, that <i>The Bourne Legacy</i> may be forgotton or if not just flop and not do well at the box office.

In short, as far as Bond is concerned is Jason Bourne a thing of the past?
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  • dragonskydragonsky
    Posts: 2,491
    lets hope no.they already done that in QoS lets hope they wont repeat the same in B23.
    i didnt even know there was going to be Bourne 4
  • connerybondconnerybond
    Posts: 163
    The fighting scenes in QOS resemble those in Bourne films, and as gruesome. I mean the first two Bourne films.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited April 2011 Posts: 13,355
    Hopefully EON feel no need to copy any more though, since there haven't been any recent Bourne films, that's what I was getting at.
  • forgotmyusernameforgotmyusername
    Posts: 2,782
    ah but Jack will be in Bond's face for 24 hours next year. Will Eon follow that franchise stylee?
  • saunderssaunders Living in a world of avarice and deceit
    Posts: 987
    While it's fair to say that the Bourne films dramatically changed the way successful action thrillers are made, I feel that unless Bourne 4 presents yet another radically new approach to film making I can't see it influencing future Bonds anymore than the previous three have already done so.
    It's much like the Die Hard series, when the first one was made the entire action film genre took note and changed, action got more explosive, as did the expletives and the gritty violence increased, the gun porn aspect was magnified and the blue collar action hero emerged, but did the next three Die Hard films really add anything new and long lasting to the genre?
    I think it's impossible to even guess how much a film that hasn't even been made yet will influence Bond films of the future, but it's an almost certainty as history keeps showing us at some point a new film of some description will come along and have a radical influence on the future of 007.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    @saunders Yet through all this Bond survives and outdoes the rival sometimes at it's own game. It's interesting you ask what a fourth Bourne film could bring and I can see your point any impact has already been felt and now we await whatever comes next.

    @forgotmyusername There's no chance a 24 film is released next year. Not without a script being aproved.

    Maybe though Jack Bauer will one day have a say in how Bond is done...
  • dragonskydragonsky
    Posts: 2,491
    Quoting Samuel001: Maybe though Jack Bauer will one day have a say in how Bond is done...
    interesting
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    All this Bourne influencing Bond business? Blah blah.

    Bond influenced Bourne, end of. Bond began decades before Robert Ludlam picked up a pen and the character of Bond redefined the action/adventure genre. Down the years yes Bond has had to reflect trends in order to stay relevent, but no one can say that the name Jason Bourne will move people to head for their local multi plex. The name Bond however? A different thing altogether.

    As for the style of action in Bourne. Maybe QoS was similar, but the Bourne movies were not the first movies to shoot action scenes that way either.

    The bottom line is, Bond after 50 years will still pull the punters in. All you have to do is put three numbers on the screen - 007 - and you have yourself a hit. What other franchise can say the same?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Quoting NicNac: All you have to do is put three numbers on the screen - 007 - and you have yourself a hit.
    That's the main problem with the Bond franchise.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    Yes, I do see your point DC, but I also believe that the Prods refuse to be complacent. They sincerely try to move with the times, reinvent the franchise if it needs it, and try to take note of critical response (eg, DAD and MR were avenues they refused to re-visit).
    If they get it wrong, well the mistakes are honest ones. They try again. A long running series like this will have its peaks and troughs for sure. But what they can't do is stand still and try to re-make FRWL over and over. That would be the end. They have to pander to a wider audience than us bunch of anoracs. ;-)
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    Quoting NicNac: no one can say that the name Jason Bourne will move people to head for their
    local multi plex.
    Universal Pictures would beg to differ.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,183
    Quoting connerybond: The fighting scenes in QOS resemble those in Bourne films, and as gruesome. I mean the first two Bourne films.
    Ironically though, the Bond vs Slate fight seems to remind most people of one particular scene in the third Bourne film. ;;)
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited April 2011 Posts: 15,718
    I know Bond films aren't made for the hardcore Bond fans. I know Bond movies are directed to the mass audiences. But I will say this - I will never be disappointed in discovering the latest outing on the big screen on release day. But please, make the film atleast 2 hours long, so I don't feel cheated in waiting 2+ years for a 1.5 hour film that I didn't find good on following viewings. If you want to make DAD part 2, TWINE part 2, or even QOS part 2, I don't care. But please don't let me look at my watch, and think 'it's already over?'. Bond movies only come once every 2 years, so if you're not going to make the film I want, atleast make watching Bond on the big screen a pleasant experience. I will never analyze the film on 1st viewing, as Bond is just pure entertainement. Only because I'm a hardcore fan, I'll go pay for a 2nd, or 3rd viewings and will nitpick it on MI6community. But if I'm not going to enjoy watching the new flick on opening day... why bother ?
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    Quoting Samuel001: Universal Pictures would beg to differ
    Yes I'm sure they would, but it takes many decades and a history littered with Beatlemania type moments to build a franchise capable of generating the sort of response 007 gets.
    Any snippet of Bond news gets the tabloids twitching. Bourne will not get the same response, so a few years between films and the general public will (hopefully) cool. ;-)
  • Mr_SterlingMr_Sterling
    Posts: 99
    I'd beg to differ with Universal. I've never seen a bourne film at the cinemas, they've just never appealed to me. I daresay some people say the same about Bond but its fair to say that its much easier to convince people to see a Bond film than a Bourne film.

    Will Bourne still be about in 40 years? I guess not.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,718
    They've done 3 Bourne films in 9 years... If they really wanted to start a franchise, they would have done atleast twice as more films by now.
  • LudsLuds MIA
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    Let's not kid ourselves here, the Bourne flicks were extremely popular and successful, and certainly did influence the two Craig Bond flicks to a certain extent. But this is hardly new, the Bond series has remained popular and alive for that long by adapting itself to what the audience was asking for. We don't need to think very hard to find examples of Bond flicks influenced by popular trends, Moonraker with Star Wars, LALD with blaxploitation cinema, TND with martial arts and Jackie Chan, etc. And as time goes, these trends vanish and Bond remains alive and fresh, adapting to the newest trends.
  • Mr_SterlingMr_Sterling
    Posts: 99
    I feel however, that the one enduring aspect of the series has always been 007 himself. Thats who the audience respond to most. Bourne can certainly never claim that, he's just far too boring.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited April 2011 Posts: 24,183
    Quoting Mr_Sterling: I feel however, that the one enduring aspect of the series has always been 007 himself. Thats who the audience respond to most.
    That is certainly true and it makes the case for Bond as one of the most popular film icons ever.
    Quoting Mr_Sterling: Bourne [...]'s just far too boring.
    This I disagree with. Bourne makes for a great film character too but he's much more limited I think than Bond. That said, the Bourne books are counting up to an impressive number and where there's a book, there's the potential for a film.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited April 2011 Posts: 15,718
    Jason Bourne : First 9 years: 2002 (Identity) - 2011 = 3 films.
    James Bond : First 9 years : 1962 (DN) - 1971 (DAF) = 7 films.

    We can see which franchise is stalling, and which producers are desperate to make the franchise spark.
  • The_ReaperThe_Reaper
    edited April 2011 Posts: 1,092
    But dude, they don't make movies at that rate anymore. Can't you see that? No franchise puts out that many in this day and age. It's impossible. Even direct to dvd would be hard to have 7 films in 9 years. Charlie Chan films back in the 30's and 40's? Sure. They were cheap and easy. They could crank out a bunch back then.

    Bourne films are 100+ million to make. They can't come up with the cash that easy, no matter the BO totals, or produce a film that fast. It doesn't work that way now.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,718
    'SAW' - 7 films in 7 years.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    Quoting DaltonCraig007:
    'SAW' - 7 films in 7 years.
    They were cheap horror films, not big budget productions.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,183
    Quoting Samuel001:
    Quoting DaltonCraig007:

    'SAW' - 7 films in 7 years.


    They were cheap horror films, not big budget productions.
    In terms of BO takes, however, they were huge. Biggest horror franchise ever. Very effective way of filmmaking too. No matter what we think of the films, respect for their achievements is in place!
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited April 2011 Posts: 13,355
    Quoting DarthDimi:
    In terms of BO takes, however, they were huge.
    But hardly doing $400 million a film. That's what I was getting at.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited April 2011 Posts: 24,183
    In that case, sir, I stand corrected. ;;)

    Still, I believe DC has a point. 7 films in 7 years, even on a more modest level like Saw, is impressive. [-(
  • jaguar007jaguar007
    Posts: 638
    Quoting NicNac: All you have to do is put three numbers on the screen - 007 - and you have yourself a hit.
    I'm not sure I agree with this and I think LTK proves it.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,183
    Quoting jaguar007:
    I'm not sure I agree with this and I think LTK proves it.
    $156,167,015 against a $32 million budget isn't good enough for you? ;;)
  • jaguar007jaguar007
    Posts: 638
    Quoting DarthDimi: $156,167,015 against a $32 million budget isn't good enough for you? ;;)
    NO, I'm greedy, I WANT MORE!!!!!

    Seriously, here in the US is only grossed $33million and the US is the market where the studio gets the largest % of profits. My point is that audiences did not flock in to see the latest Bond film at the rate of most of the other ones. I guess if the film was not a James Bond film it probably would have done even worse so I guess you do have a point.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited April 2011 Posts: 15,718
    Well, by 1989 the franchise was almost dead on it's track, and Dalton wasn't popular. Not much could have saved LTK from being a major underperformer. But I'm sure if the marketing for B23 is simply a black poster with '007' written on it in white letters, the film is bound to be massive hit. Which is basicly what the abysmal teaser poster of QOS was.
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