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So you want neither SPECTRE to return nor Quantum to be finished, but ANOTHER group to emerge? Why? It wouldn't even make sense.
The worst of all worlds really.
Sounds like a horrible idea to me.
Seems fine to me. There is no Quantum story to finish, just loose ends. And there are many organisations, in various guises, that are a threat to the world.
It doesn't bother me. Quantum don't strike me as a threat than can be completely neutralised. Cut down one operative and two spring up in their place. There's nothing to say Haines and White weren't rounded up following the events of QoS. As it stands I don't think the loose ends are reason enough to warrant their return. The return would have to be the result of a fascinating idea, plain and simple. By all means their existence could be mentioned in passing, but I'm not convinced they warrant another movie. Given what Mendes and Logan did with Silva, I don't imagine they'll stray into Quantum territory and if they did, I can't see them retaining the real world sensibilities that everyone seems to love about the organisation.
It's a torn line. Some of us really want Quantum to return and at least be finished so it gets a proper ending, others want SPECTRE to return ASAP, and some want another group to return. In that case, let's reveal a new organization every film, not have Bond stop them, and then never bring it up again.
They were responsible for Vesper and Mathis's death! Doesn't that count for something!?! They are able to change the flow of world powers! Why do people hate them so much? Because they don't feature an Octopus or a White fluffy cat? Or because they are Boring? Don't give me that. They can be made into something vicious.
People are just afraid to give Quantum a chance and take the fanservice route and have Blofeld and company brought back because it's a Reboot. Because it's a reboot. Please don't make me laugh. Every reboot now has brought back their classic villains and rehashed more of the old crap. Is that what we want for Bond? Remakes of the old movies and villain plots? Why? For novelty?
Bring me Quantum and Bring me originality!
I think by default he's the greatest Bond villain (being Bond's nemesis), but at least in his current form, belongs to older Bond eras. I would only want Blofeld if they reinvented him a bit to be more realistic and belonging to a modern era of Bond. I would have no issues though if they didn't bring Blofeld back and left him be, and least for the Craig era. He and SPECTRE don't have to come back and be redone necessarily. I might be pleasantly surprised if they do bring him back and it turns out great, but that's just my two cents. I do wish Quantum would get resolved for certain though.
Lana Del Rey
Better Gadgets
Better/Witty Humor
Minus some of the grit/grunge
I don't agree. I don't think there was a 'cliffhanger'. If QoS did anything, it was to bring closure to Bond's personal saga. Haines was still out there, and easy to apprehend. White is slippery, but he's been caught before. There's nothing to suggest a specific hierarchy, or 'head'. The hit ordered on Greene could have come from any of those featured in QoS. There's no story to continue, or resolve. A Quantum centred film would necessitate a brand new narrative. That's not a problem, and doesn't mean it can't be good, but I think it brings up the question of 'why'?
I'd much rather see something brand new. Bond was seasoned by SF, so for those craving continuity, or resolutions, it's not too much of a stretch to imagine White/Haines being banged up in the intervening years. After two films featuring White pottering around in the shadows, do we really need that for a fourth time in three films? I think there are clever ways Quantum can be referenced, but a Quantum-centric film does nothing to particularly stir my emotions. I'd be much happier with a completely new threat.
Yep, I thought that too! But like its not a problem either way really. It has been done before as we all know.
I'm sure for those who don't want Quantum to return, the last thing they want to happen is to have another reminder of QoS, because they sincerely despise that film, too.
to my mind ,when it comes to slightly over the top stories - to evoke slightly over the top fears and emotions - organizations "that have people everywhere "are the way to go (as proven by countless Ludlum novels). An all present menace, many a beautiful lady in danger to be saved (and doubleosevened in the process ) and a hero given the opportunity to be heroic. I am quite surprised. For a Bond fan you show a remarkable lack of imagination.
I'm not averse to the concept of Quantum, I'm merely stating that I'd rather something fresh. Bond movies work best as standalone films and I feel the omnipotent presence of Quantum is more suited to a television series, where they can be adequately constructed and deconstructed over a period of time. They will inevitably be wasted if they are restricted to one film every couple of years. So, no, not a lack of imagination. As someone who writes for television these are the kind of narrative considerations to bear in mind, but I guess you'd know that.
I dare say I know about just anything, that constitutes a great story (or even a good one for that matter - let alone the bad ones). That's why I was able to call Skyfalls script a truckload of crap from day one (and never had to falter). Talking about omnipotent organizations,there is a rumor going around that the Bond movies have made good experiences with them before,even that there is something "Flemingnesque" about them. Just thought I mention it.
If your critiques of SF are anything to go by, you know very little about screenwriting. Especially how unbelievably difficult it is to put together a good one, never mind a great one. I've also criticised the screenplay of SF, namely its inherent logical flaws and inconsistencies. But its human story is unmistakably poignant and a lot of the dialogue is as good as anything in the canon. Given the amount of external pressure exerted on a franchise film such as SF, it did pretty well to maintain a level of authorship.