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Is it just me or do I detect that we are having our chain pulled here?
The sources Jarrod mentions have the following number of posts to their name:
StationG - 5
Harryfyhr - 3
Kenric8 - 1
Rickvb - 2
Taffin - 37
And Jarrod himself only has 122 and most of those are in this thread.
Now of course I'm an awful cynic and these figures prove nothing but it seems rather curious to me that the 6 people to have seen this mythical scene only have a total of 170 posts between them.
Why has not one of the longstanding members with thousands of posts come forward?
I find it all looking very dodgy.
Not making any accusations sir just highlighting a rather curious anomaly. It seems rather random as to which cinema this alleged scene was shown so I just find it rather curious that we have this statistical cluster of only people with a couple of posts as the only witnesses to 'Nessie'.
Of course statistical clusters can be misleading so it doesn't prove anything.
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Maryam d'Abo was also naked in a movie called The Man Living at the Ritz, if my memory is not mistaken. Then again I understand I may be wrong, because memory is fallible.
And to answer to the OP, I seriously doubt there was full frontal nudity in any version of TLD.
But yes there has been some nude breasts in Bond films before, definitely.
I woke up to something like 28 new comments on this thread, which I find amusing. ;)
Yes there was, but they were glimpses, partial nudity.
Well she's not even listed on IMDB as being in The Man Who Lived At The Ritz so you either misremembered or perhaps they cut her entire part not just the nude bits. I know which Jarrod would think is more likely.
FYI if you want to see Maryam full frontal you need to see Xtro and Dangerous Desire.
Or so someone told me.
To be honest I think this will be closed soon although it would be nice to see if Sir James gets a response from John Grover.
It really isn't "all about the boobies" for me, my real interest isn't about some juvenile titillation. It just so happens that the cut scene included nudity. My issue here is about retroactive censorship. It's also about a deleted scene in a Bond film, something I thought this James Bond forum would be interested in. Apparently, this claim isn't being taken seriously because it concerns nudity. I was a film student in college, I took different film theory courses through out, and specifically ones studying film censorship. It is a serious interest for me, not a joke. But I'm starting to think some of the people on this forum are a joke, that can't take anything seriously. I just ordered the original VHS and Laserdisc of The living Daylights and plan on doing comparisons of the scene in question, to see if each one offers a different edit of the scene. If the scene is cut differently on all these different formats, one would have to concede that this particular scene has been mucked around with. And TheWizardOfIce, you have no clue of which I "would think is more likely" on anything. Your arrogance is unbelievable. I could see not being taken seriously IF I was in fact the only person to see this scene, but I'm not.
Me? Misremembering? How dare you! No seriously, yes, my mistake, no idea where I got that from. I see now that the actress I was thinking about was not her. But there was plenty of nudity in this movie.
1) The inclusion of a full frontal breast shot of Ms. Hey would be unnecessary to advance the scene for most fans, and even a bit offensive to some watching in a family situation, so in the end this is a curiosity for me, not a cause.
2) IMHO, you sir need to lighten up a bit. This is NOT about censoring ideas or viewpoints, it is NOT about removing political content or social statement, it is NOT about radically changing an artist's work.
It's just about the boobies.
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I'm actually surprised at how seriously people are taking this (myself included). There are a few jokes going around because of the titillating nature of the scene in question but there have been a number of very thoughtful responses posted. I thought @Grinderman and @thelordflasheart's posts on the nature of memory and film, for example, were really interesting. And @Wizard posted an interesting comparison with his memory of Dolly wearing braces. So the thread's been a very good one.
@Jarrod, I understand that you absolutely, positively remember seeing the scene in question. But can you at least understand why other people on this forum (who have never met you and don't know you) might think you're misremembering? I'm not suggesting you concede that you are, but just asking if you can appreciate why that seems like the most likely answer to most people?
Your intransigence is unbelievable.
I'm not sure there are many things I could say I remember clearly enough from 25 years ago that I could say with such fervent certainty are absolute fact. How lucky you are to still be so assured of your own righteousness. I'm afraid that having reached the age of someone who was a teenager when TLD was released means the only thing I know for sure is I know nothing.
I've never actually said you are wrong but merely tried to expound more plausible theories one of which, despite your protestations, is that witness testimony is notoriously unreliable. The only real evidence presented for your theory is your own certitude and sorry but for me that is far from empirical proof.
You need to learn some humility sir and entertain the possibility you might be wrong. There's no man in history who hasn't been mistaken in his life and its only the idiot who says 'I cannot possibly be wrong.'
I don't agree. Each Bond film has always been representative of the time period in which it was born. Obviously, many of the films were influenced by the cold war, or the current ones having a kind of neo-Fascist atmosphere. What interesting to me about TLD is that it came out of an era where AIDS had become a real fear, and this changed the nature of Bond's relationship with women in cinema. Bond is fairly monogamous in TLD, and I can't help but feel that possibly the producers were trying to over compensate the lack of women that Bond was typically surrounded by. It's possible that this misguided attempt was merely there to push an edginess that had been missing in Moore's tenure. It's a fact that Dalton's portrayal was darker and edgier than previously portrayed. He smoked, was more ruthless, and offered far less humor. This scene isn't merely about "boobies" and titillation, it's deliberately showing how cold and ruthless his Bond could be. It's also fascinating to see if EON could possibly have been wrong or misguided in this attempt, and quickly changed there mind on it. This is what it's really about for me.
Also, unexpected boobie viewing will effectively stun a heterosexual male for up to three seconds as he will be caught in between the task-at-hand/possible procreation imperatives. A device stolen for Jackie Chan's Operation Condor and an episode in Dark Angel's second season.
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I have a original PAL VHS of TLD but nothing to play it on.
I never saw TLD in the cinema but rented it on VHS in the UK as soon as it became available. I'd have been about 24 at the time, so old enough not to get too carried away by what I saw. The full frontal bare boobs scene was definitely there. I remember being surprised at the time and thinking to myself that this kind of blatant nudity was a first for a Bond film. I watched the film again when it was first shown on UK TV and noticed immediately that the scene had beed edited. I wasn't surprised by this either as the scene had struck me as being in dubious taste.
That's NOT too old IMO! :)) Seriously dude.
Well, one never gets fed up with boobs even at the age I am now. What I'm trying to say is that I wasn't some spotty teenager whose imagination ran riot at the hint of breast. I'm certain about what I saw. I'm very firm on the boobs and the boobs were very firm.
Case closed IMO. :))