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I am not trying to be taken seriously, since this isn't a place for serious discussion anyway, as you have managed to prove. If I was a participant I would actually be debating this issue, but I see no logic in it as the majority of my fellow members agree, so I just wait with them for a mod to close this and until then we get to sit and enjoy your gradual loss of sense as the final hour approaches.
Now I really have to go. Bigfoot and Nessie just rang me and are begging to play our weekly game of Texas Hold 'Em. I will make a bet with them when exactly this thread will close, and get back to you.
Go Here. http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1503559
Scroll down some and You'll find a link to a screen cap what you wanted.
Why do I even bother sometimes?
I don't think that's enough evidence to please some people on here!
This is the sort of thing you might discuss with your friends if you were 10 - and probably only in the time before the Internet provided so much, ah, content.
I'm not locking this, but I genuinely wonder if this is the sort of thing grown ups should be debating.
To be fair, it started out as a sort of censorship discussion.
But the last couple pages have devolved....
Whilst I think the thread's come to a natural conclusion now, as it's come down to @Jarrod stubbornly arguing a point in spite of all evidence pointing to the contrary, some of the earlier posts on the nature of false memories and the unreliability of witness testimony were really very interesting.
As we're on a forum dedicated to a film series featuring characters called Pussy Galore, Xenia Onatopp and Holly Goodhead, and such zingers as "Keeping the British end up," "I think he's attempting re-entry, sir" and "Something big's come up", it's a probably a little incongruous to be overly-embarrassed about the maturity of a discussion about nudity.
:))
On the contrary this has to go down as one of the all time great threads.
8 pages - I'm sure Ms Hey would be tickled pink at the furore her mammaries (or lack thereof) have produced 25 years on!
And while I'm about it might I take the opportunity to remind you chaps that we do have lady members on this site so how about a little respect for the feelings of the fair sex Thanks Coggins.
And you very much demonstrated my allegory's validity: to the conspirationist, the cryptozoologist, the ufologist, an absence of evidence is considered evidence.
Very sound post Sir. Particularly about the validity of the thread. The fact its about breasts is fairly irrelevant. Its the arguments about censorship and memory that have been of interest not the boobies. Also thanks for the TLD clippings early on in the thread which are of great historical interest.
I guess the only way for both you to be satisfied and the rest of us to believe you is if you can unearth the holy grail - either a still or clip of the scene. Good luck with your search.
I had this memory of a cartoon movie I saw when I was seven of a monkey that flew, and got imprisoned in a mountain. I could never discover the title or who made it or anything, and it bugged me for decades until one day when I was working at a video store when I was 33, and I SAW IT ON THE SHELF!
"Alakazam"!
That was my little holy quest, so I can relate to yours.
;)
It's just a second, but it does stand out, and it's reasonable to assume that they had indeed filmed 'more' and then either got cold feet before releasing- or as Jarrod suggests, a fuller version is out there somewhere.
I believe that there is something on the cutting room floor somewhere, but I'm not as sure that it was ever released at the cinemas. I mean, if so- we'd have seen it by now, right?
I had a similar quest which was also recently resolved @chrisisall! A forum just like this helped me figure out what it was! As a toddler I used to watch this TV show when I spent the weekend at my grandmas. All I could remember was that it was in Hawaii, and starred a guy who was a ninja-- but sometimes he was also more of a commando-type action hero. He had long wavy black hair and had a comic relief fat friend, lol
When one of the forum members finally offered:
"could it have been 'Raven'?"
I was ecstatic! That feeling of a 20+ year old mystery finally getting solved- just indescribable!
The best part is, the whole show is on youtube! \m/
@Jarrod. I just re-read your original post. So you have a memory, but one that no-one else seems to have. I saw TLD in original release, sometime in its opening week, and have no such memory, but you have me intrigued at least regarding the presentation of the scene in various formats.
I do have a first-release vhs copy of the film, plus Special Edtion dvd (no ultimte edition dvd) and blu-ray. I am going to compare the three versions, but I suspect they might all be identical.
For your memory to be true and not false, it would require that a few rogue prints of the full-frontal, briefly found their way into some theatres, HOWEVER, no-one else that also saw the film in first release, has the same memory.
Isn't that rather odd. There is absolutely nothing else supporting your memory. No-one else can share the experience.
Not to mention the cover up by EON he now alleges which includes John Grover being told to lie to us!!
But youre wasting your breath. Even if he tracks down every print in existence it wont be enough.
I'm sorta confused, I kinda got the view that you maybe understood my point a little, but maybe not. Ok, the reason I have faith in my memory is because I feel I'm very acute on edits. For example, my family got a VCR probably around 1983, and from this point on I was recording Bond films off of TV, or buying the tapes. "Diamonds Are Forever" was the 1st I recorded from TV, and I sat there with a pause button with a cord that attached to the VCR (yeah, this is before remote controls) and I would nearly seamlessly edit out the all commercials. Through this process I could seriously tell you every single edit that the TV station made to that film:
1. In the teaser, they edited the woman getting strangled slightly.
2. In the teaser, when Connery throws the knives at the henchmen they cut out 1 throw, to lessen the violence.
3. After Wint & Kidd blow up the helicopter, the TV station cuts before they hold hands.
Etc... etc.... etc...
They'd pretty much erased any idea that Wint and Kidd were homosexual, and tamed down the violence considerably. They also edited Connery muttering "bitch." In any case, this is from a memory from exactly 30 years ago, and I was only 11. I think I have pretty good memory skills.
Ok so everyone wants some proof with my claim. Well today I received the Laserdisc of The Living Daylights. And I think I found another clue that has me still convinced that we are seeing a truncated version of that scene. If you watch the scene, you will think you're actually seeing a more fluid version, compared to the DVD and Bluray stall. Instead what I noticed by comparing the DVD cut that is offered already on youtube under Bond Vs Pushkin, is that the henchman opens his mouth just slightly more than the version from Laserdisc. Also, you will notice that when it cuts to Virginia Hey's close-up, large film grain appears. If one knows about Laserdiscs, is that they usually do not have large film grain appearing, because it was the first high quality that was offered on the video market. But when one zooms in a scene, it automatically enlarges the film grain. In 1992, when the laserdisc was made, the couldn't just simply clean up a shot digitally as they can now. So the film grain was left, because I seriously believe the shot was zoomed.
It will be much more visible if you enlarge the picture, as I could see it best on a TV, but here is a slower version of the grain:
Now I know this isn't the "holy grail" of my defense, but it's a bit of detective work on my part that has me still convinced.
The bluray box set is a 15 and now has all those trimmed scenes restored so why not this one if it existed in some prints?
At best it maybe exists as a cut scene.
Your whole recollection hinges on a "nude" print actually finding its ways into theatres, but no-one else in the world has any recollection of such a thing happening.
What you need to support your theory is other eyewitness testimony.
Your arguments in support of your memory are red herrings. Of course you remember painstakingly doing VCR edits. You were engrossed in the process.
That's much different than thinking you saw something in a flickering moment on the big screen. The 15 year-old mind in particular would be very susceptible to such suggestive imagery. ie that you were also seeing what the henchman was seeing.
It does seem that you think you saw something that actually wasn't there.
I'll admit to hormones though.
In case you care here is the VHS version of the scene. This one here is missing the black speckles on Virginia Hey, but they seem to appear on the henchman this time. I don't think it's crazy to assume that these both have different/ strange edits.
Here is a slow motion comparison of the two slightly different cuts:
How many of the five actually swear to having seen the shot, no hesitation. I guess I could review the thread, but you seem to be on top of it.
Again, I saw the film in its first week of release and know for certain, that there was no full exposure shot. I definitely would have taken notice. So I would think likewise, that anyone that actually saw such a shot, as you describe, would also have no doubts about what they saw.
Those videos don't help btw. My untrained eye continues to see what I have always seen in that scene, but thanks anyway. ie henchman opens door and we the viewer get a shot of Hey, from upper-chest up and no more.