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I disagree. The man understands music. His scores have never let me down. I would be thrilled if they announced him for Bond.
This I agree with. Some people are so blinded by an irrational hatred towards Arnold, they fail to recognise that even for the Bond films he occasionally put(s) out a fairly decent score.
I'd say a lot of them. And I daresay that if they got their way, not a few of those people would criticise Arnold's successor. For some people, John Barry is the only man who can compose a Bond score. Unfortunately, he can't do that anymore.
David Arnold isn't the greatest composer in the franchise history - but he certainly isn't the worst (at times, Martin Hamlisch's THE SPY WHO LOVED ME score sounds like it belongs in a porno). He might over-score at times, and he might be too quick to use the James Bond theme, but he does have some fine work, particularly in QUANTUM OF SOLACE; I think Inside Man is one of his best tracks, and it is certainly something I would welcome back to the series. I think it has the same quality as Barry's 007 Theme (last used in the Amazon chase in MOONRAKER). Likewise, I think Time To Get Out (if only for the use of the Aston Martin's engine as an instrument) and Pursuit at Port-au-Prince are great. I think far too many people sell David Arnold short, probably because of his DIE ANOTHER DAY score.
Yet, that's the only Bond score that got an Oscar nomination...
No doubt, a lot of people believe the Oscars don't matter at all, but on the other hand there are lot of people who think the Oscars do matter.
Also, the nominees for Best Score are selected by people who know a lot more about music than me and you (and probably everyone else on this forum). Sure, one can criticize their decisions but if TSWLM gets a Best Score nomination, it means it has a decent score.
By the way, I really don't care what The Shark thinks about the Oscars.
So why did you make this post :
If the Oscars don't matter, why did you make the argument of 'Ship of fools' getting a nomination so therefor it is better than TB in terms of costume design ?
However, The Shark has since convinced me to change my mind. Yes, it can happen, believe it or not. You just have to make a compelling case.
You and I should talk sometime :D
I think you exactly say what bothers me so much about David Arnold. Indeed, he isn't the worst, but he is also not the best. Bond needs the best. Basta. And in my opinion composers like Alexandre Desplat and John Powell (which most people are not quoting) and Michael Giacchino have a way more better CV than David Arnold. For 'Skyfall' we should not just settle for the average OK composer. No, we need potential Oscar stuff.
The above tracks are not just OK I think. I think they are perfect for action-espionage-kind of movies.
the man we don't want talking about the man we do want.
Bloody hell, that was boring. Even Hans Zimmer's MI:2 score had some personality and colour.
There's nothing wrong with electronics in itself. Just look at Vangelis, Daft Punk or John Carpenter. It's what you do with them that counts. If you don't know how to use a symphony orchestra (like Giacchino), then it's no better than annoying techno beats.
you are funny. :)
I also mentioned two other composers; Desplat and Powell.
By the way, I think Giacchino did a perfect rendition of Lalo Shifrin's M:I-theme. Completely orchestral and devoid of any electronic sounds. Then again.....the different versions of original themes, like the M:I-theme and the James Bond-theme, always stay good because of their creators. So if you say Giacchino is boring like hell, you couldddd say the same about Arnold's versions of the Bond-theme.
... and? As I said, just because it's not using electronics, that doesn't mean it's any good. Just look at Monty Norman's score for DR. NO. Give me Tangerine Dream's THIEF over that any day.
I'm sure if Schifrin was hired to score a MISSION IMPOSSIBLE flick, he'd use electronics. Look at the three RUSH HOUR movies.
I already do. ;)
If one says John Powell is a bad composer, than he/she is nuts. The above tracks are simply awesome. They add suspense and a certain hunting climax to the movies. I adore these tracks and I find it better than many of Arnold's 'suspense tracks'. That's why I'd love to see John Powell working on ' Skyfall'.
Plus, I don´t think Arnold makes any suspense tracks, he basically makes action tracks ;) . At least that´s what´s listenable.
Yes but all of Giacchino's scores contain a common theme. Most of SUPER 8, and especially the scenes about the boy's mother contain very similar notes, but it beautiful and it helps connect the story. In STAR TREK (2009) however, Giacchino created a new sound for the new series. Most of its soundtrack also contains similar notes, but it flows perfectly. In THE INCREDIBLES, he uses the same key elements, and often times the sames notes either sped up or slowed down depending on the effect it makes. His last four films are very varied. UNLIKE ARNOLD, his soundtracks don't all sound like they could be interchangeable.
Barry, citing YOLT, also used a similar theme throughout the film. Most of the early Bond films have their own unique sounds, and it easy to pick what movie they're from. Same with Giacchino's work; sadly not for Arnold.
Every single one of Arnold's scores, beat Barry's soundtrack for OP hands down, IMO!
For OP, Barry basically only used one theme during the actionscenes: The James Bond theme.
Unlike others, I have total faith in EON. If they think Arnold is the right man for SF, then so be it. If not, it's because they've found someone who they believe can do a more suited job for the task at hand.
Didn't EON pick Bill Conti? Ouch! I watched FYEO the other night and as much as I love what he did for Rocky, his score for Bond was painful. Not since Ladyhawke has a film screamed so loudly to be rescored.
One composer who I always felt would have done an unusual but interesting Bond score is Ryhuichi Sakamoto. This track from Femme Fatale has so much sophistication to it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WgTZk7lMIQ
As for Arnold, he is a safe composer. His TND and QoS scores are great stuff, IMO. The ones in between I have little to say about. I wouldn't mind seeing him return, but I'd be more interested in a new composer.
Someone mentioned Lalo Schiffrin, he should have done a Bond score back in the 70s or 80s. Always wondered why Tom Cruise never got him to score any of the M:I movies (Danny Elfman got the first job instead).
Maybe because he was pushing 70 when the first M:I movie was made in '96? Or maybe because he hasn't scored anything decent since the 80's?
Another composer I would have wanted to score a crazy Bond score: Ennio Moriconne in the 1960s. His score for Danger: Diabolik is the closest to it.
He also did CITY OF GOD and LORD OF WAR